Everyone knows Curry is a failure. I remember some idiot was actually trying to tell the board that Curry led the NBA in points in the paint with almost a 1000 more than Tim Duncan. Obviously that is impossible because he doesnt have single digit body fat like some marathon runners or body builders. Obviously having great post moves, hands, speed and agility is not as important as what percentage body fat a player has. Here is the picture of the guy that really led the nba last season in points in the paint.

We already knew Curry was a stat whore. We didn't need you to remind us. We're talking about what changes he needs to make to actually help teams win games. Getting in top NBA shape would be a huge start.

Posted by highfivesucka:

Posted by arkrud:

Eddy is not missing strengths. He is very good athlete.
He needs to develop mental strength and desire to dominate on both ends of the court.
So far he was failing, but hey... you never know.

I agree with you, I'm just mentioning that it wouldn't hurt if he was a little more fleet-of-foot.

Some common myths in this thread where the premise doesn't justify the conclusion
1-Eddy's mentally soft; therefore, improving physical conditioning won't matter.
2-Eddy scored a lot of points in the paint without being in top shape. Therefore, getting in better shape is irrelevant.
3-Shaq and other great stars had some great seasons when the weren't in top shape. Therefore, Eddy doesn't need to work on his conditioning.
4-Some people have extra fat but are very strong and athletic, because they have a lot of functional strength. Therefore, Eddy doesn't need to shed fat.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-29-2007 3:13 PM]

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Last time I looked the NBA was still deciding if they should to take away Willis Reed's. Wes Unseld's, Shaq's and Tim Duncan's rings because they do not have single digit body fat.

LMAO!

Markowitz do you consider yourself an honest person?

If so please point out all the people that have said word for word that Curry doesnt need to work on his conditioning?

Posted by Bonn1997:

SugarRay, do you consider yourself an honest person? If so, find me one person that said we should take away players' rings if they didn't have single digit body fat.

This thread can come full circle if Coke would appear.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Two can play this game but there's no point: E.g., Do you consider yourself an honest person? If so, find me one person that said we should take away players' rings if they didn't have single digit body fat.

We could go on and on forever. You're a good arguer and I enjoy the conversation even though it gets heated.

Simple facts to me are that
1. Eddy is NOT in top shape
2. It IS hurting his performance and the team
3. Other players' successes at different body weights are irrelevant to points 1 and 2 and thus have no place in this thread

Bonn,
I never said other people claimed that their rings would be taken away.
You consider single digit body fat to be top shape? Are you in top shape? Why arent you in the NBA with your high hoops IQ and being in top shape? Tim Thomas had a body as good as anybody in the NBA for years. Steven Hunter has a pretty toned body. Is he a great nba player?
The NBA is about playing hoops not becoming a body builder. Very few big men in the NBA have single digit body fat. Other bigs in the NBA are not irrelevant unless the NBA became a 1 player league. Teams want a player to be in great cardio shape but he doesnt have to have single digit body fat. Thats just ridiculous. Shaq didnt. wes Unseld didnt. Willis reid didnt. Tim Duncan doesnt.



[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 09-29-2007 3:31 PM]

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Bonn1997:

SugarRay, do you consider yourself an honest person? If so, find me one person that said we should take away players' rings if they didn't have single digit body fat.

This thread can come full circle if Coke would appear.

We all already know that Curry is outstanding at scoring in the paint in single coverage. I don't get why people bring that up. The point is if he ever wants to become a force in this league, he has enormous changes to make that he's never shown he can make--changes way beyond fine tuning his low post scoring in single coverage.

People bring it up because its a huge factor. People bring it up because positives of a player are just as important as negatives. Only a hater looks only at the negatives of a player. A fair person looks at both the positives and the negatives.

I agree with Ira's interpretation that Curry is an average player after taken his one huge strength and all his weaknesses into account. I have no problem admitting that I'm harsh, probably too harsh, on Eddy. I find him to be the most frustrating player in the league because he has gifts that most NBA players (forget most humans or athletes, but most NBA players) can't even dream of but he hasn't taken advantage of them in his six years. I really hope Eddy becomes the player that I think he could in theory become and that his supporters think he will in reality become and I don't mind if you revive every thread where I was brutally harsh on him to show me how foolish he made me look. Sadly, his past behavior gives me very little reason to suspect he loves his work enough to put in the kind of brutal work necessary to reach this potential. But I hope he does and hope he makes me look like the emotionally imbalanced fool you think I am.

Why am I not in the NBA? I wouldn't make it if I tried--I don't have Eddy's or even Demetrius Nichols' gifts--but I love what I'm doing too much anyway. The admirable thing is to put in the brutal work to excel in what you do do, and I think that's most likely when you pick a profession you love. I love playing basketball as a hobby but I love teaching and research as a profession.

Posted by Ira:

Thanks, Bonn. I don't think Eddy will ever be a great player. But there's a lot of room between being average and being great. If he can improve his d and rebounding to the point of being just average, with his great inside game, he'll be a big asset. He did improve his game significantly last season - primarily by developing the stamina to play late in games and learning to avoid the offensive fouls that kept him on the bench in foul trouble. So he's shown he can improve. We'll have to wait and see what he actually does.

I think he improved slightly--3 more points in 7 more minutes, but not a lot. We're talking about a guy who received ONE out of a possible 352 votes for NBA Most Improved last season. That small extent of improvement in year six for a player is not enough to lead me to expect any drastic changes in year seven (or beyond).

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-29-2007 6:47 PM]

i just hope Mardy Collins and David Lee (coming off injury) are in shape.

I'm surprised more people aren't feeling more affection for Jamal due to his low body fat

supwidat?

Posted by misterearl:

i just hope Mardy Collins and David Lee (coming off injury) are in shape.

I'm surprised more people aren't feeling more affection for Jamal due to his low body fat

supwidat?

Jamal does not have single digit body fat. It's actually -15.3%