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islesfan
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9/27/2007  4:34 PM
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - I don't think calling anybody out has ever been my intent

but thanks for the quote button tips, I used it but it conflicted with my snappy headline

Does Bill O'Reilly have a daughter that a brotha can date?

Do you have a daughter that you would want to be employed at MSG?

Sure 10 million for a innocent hug and to be called a bitch (charge denied by Isiah). I think 99% of the daughters in the world will make that trade.

Is your daughter getting into the truck or what?
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9/27/2007  5:18 PM
I think it's fair to call O'Reilly's comments racist, but I don't think he meant them to be. I think the guy's bigotry goes so deep that it comes out when he doesn't mean it too.
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9/27/2007  5:25 PM
Ira - exactly

When Al Campanis stated that Blacks didn't have the "necessities" to manage a baseball team on Nightline, he actually thought he had a perfectly valid point.

Even after Ted Koppel held back a spit-take, gave him a moment and even inserted a commercial break to allow Camapnis to regroup, Campanis never flinched. And he hung out with Jackie Robinson.

Some stains can be dificult to launder.

[Edited by - misterearl on 09-27-2007 5:26 PM]
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9/27/2007  5:41 PM
misterearl, you have had some really great threads and posts this summer. Keep it coming...
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9/27/2007  10:41 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - I don't think calling anybody out has ever been my intent

but thanks for the quote button tips, I used it but it conflicted with my snappy headline

Does Bill O'Reilly have a daughter that a brotha can date?

Do you have a daughter that you would want to be employed at MSG?

Papabear Says

I have a daughter that would love to get a job at MSG She just gradurated college majoring in marketting. She has a good head on her sholders and I taught her better and how to handle siturations. She was active in the church coming up and she knows what these guys are about. You can't blame the garden if someone try to pressure and make a young lady have sex. My daughter would know how to handle the situration. Young ladies need thier father around and in thier life to be a role mode.
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9/28/2007  12:43 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by EnySpree:

Solace - if it were a black guy saying something about white people? Come on man. You come off just like a guy like o'reilly. If its racist its rasist. Funny thing is you will never see a minority on cnn or fox news being openly ignorant and racist. Stephan a. Smith is the only guy I can think of that totally blast political topics in the manner of a o'reilly. Think is stephan a. Smith though is obnoxious, he still manages to be genuine and fair with plenty of common sense. Please don't bring comedians in this. There are comedians of all race that use steriotypes in their acts, but when they are interviewed they can explain where they are comming from much clearer. Besides they aren't on a political forum such as o'reilly and that idiot imus. Anyway, Why do you always have to repel things back on another race. O'reilly made the comments. Why repel it back onto innocent people with the word if? The fact is if didn't happen. If it did then that woulld mark a huge discussion.

Why do you make it sound like I'm defending O'Reilly? I clearly denounced his actions.

I also wasn't commenting about the media, although I will say, while Steven A. is blatant, he's not the only one who crosses the line in the media, IMHO. As for what I said, I'm simply saying that to complain about something like this, you are (or should be saying) that it's unfair, because everyone should be seen equally. Yet, there's all this junk on this forum about how white guys can't possibly understand anything about being black and shouldn't talk, and blacks should have their own rules. That doesn't sound like equality to me. On this forum, people in their fantasy worlds have determined at various points, that it's okay to curse out a black woman if you're black, murdering dogs is okay, prostitution should be legal, Katrina happened because New Orleans had a high black population and they were poor, etc.... I'm all fine for having rational discussions, but a few on this board are on another planet. This post was a clear bait attempt to see if anyone would defend O'Reilly, so it can be thrown in their faces. Unfortunately, the poster discovered that not everyone is a hypocrite.

So, you ask why I bring it up? Probably my own stupidity, since I'm the only one with the balls to say something, even though other posters have told me they feel the same way.
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It shouldn't be surprising that our country is now extremely sensitive to any anti-black racism.

Understandable, but that has nothing to do with my comment. Sensitivity is one thing. Having different rules whenever it suits you is another.

[Edited by - Solace on Sep 27 2007 3:50 PM]

Solace, I am going to invite you to a thread where we can talk about these issues in depth, if you're interested. Ever since you said something in one of those other threads about how discrimination doesn't exist and white people are systematically discriminated against based on race, I have come to think I need to challenge you with data on alot of your assumptions. I wasn't race baiting when I started this thread, I thought it was
a) shocking that someone as wildly popular as O'Reilly would say something like this
b) relevant to our other discussions about Isiah, Imus, and influence.
c) liable to provoke some interesting dialougue and it did (about the media, racial relations and overall American stupidity).

Also, this rant you have just gone on, about Katrina, Vick, etc, I think we ought to talk about those things, at least until the knicks start playing and we can focus on bball. Are you up for the challenge?
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9/28/2007  12:45 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - I don't think calling anybody out has ever been my intent

but thanks for the quote button tips, I used it but it conflicted with my snappy headline

Does Bill O'Reilly have a daughter that a brotha can date?

Do you have a daughter that you would want to be employed at MSG?

Sure 10 million for a innocent hug and to be called a bitch (charge denied by Isiah). I think 99% of the daughters in the world will make that trade.

Is your daughter getting into the truck or what?

Isles in all fairness, the intern said she testified that she wanted to go with Steph. I mean, I dont think its a stretch to think a 20 year old intern wanted to 'ride' with a millionaire bball player.
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9/28/2007  12:49 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Solace, I am going to invite you to a thread where we can talk about these issues in depth, if you're interested. Ever since you said something in one of those other threads about how discrimination doesn't exist and white people are systematically discriminated against based on race, I have come to think I need to challenge you with data on alot of your assumptions. I wasn't race baiting when I started this thread, I thought it was
a) shocking that someone as wildly popular as O'Reilly would say something like this
b) relevant to our other discussions about Isiah, Imus, and influence.
c) liable to provoke some interesting dialougue and it did (about the media, racial relations and overall American stupidity).

Also, this rant you have just gone on, about Katrina, Vick, etc, I think we ought to talk about those things, at least until the knicks start playing and we can focus on bball. Are you up for the challenge?

Ok, sounds like I jumped the gun in assuming the point of this thread then. I guess I just got a little sensitive because of there's been a lot of threads here and some of them do concern me. Anyway, let's talk about things. But, let me correct you. I never said anything resembling the following: "Ever since you said something in one of those other threads about how discrimination doesn't exist and white people are systematically discriminated against based on race". I merely said that all of the suppositions could be argued; that they weren't necessarily fact. I do believe, for the most part, the system tries to be fair (including in some cases, to the disadvantage of the majority). Not all individuals are fair, however.

[Edited by - Solace on Sep 28 2007 12:52 AM]
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9/28/2007  1:42 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - I don't think calling anybody out has ever been my intent

but thanks for the quote button tips, I used it but it conflicted with my snappy headline

Does Bill O'Reilly have a daughter that a brotha can date?

Do you have a daughter that you would want to be employed at MSG?

Sure 10 million for a innocent hug and to be called a bitch (charge denied by Isiah). I think 99% of the daughters in the world will make that trade.

Is your daughter getting into the truck or what?

Isles in all fairness, the intern said she testified that she wanted to go with Steph. I mean, I dont think its a stretch to think a 20 year old intern wanted to 'ride' with a millionaire bball player.

The keyword, and you said it twice, is "intern".

In any company, preying on and having sex with a college intern is inappropriate and unacceptable behavior.

If some people have a price to which they would subject their own daughter to behavior like that, then I don't know what to tell them.
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9/28/2007  7:35 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Solace, I am going to invite you to a thread where we can talk about these issues in depth, if you're interested. Ever since you said something in one of those other threads about how discrimination doesn't exist and white people are systematically discriminated against based on race, I have come to think I need to challenge you with data on alot of your assumptions. I wasn't race baiting when I started this thread, I thought it was
a) shocking that someone as wildly popular as O'Reilly would say something like this
b) relevant to our other discussions about Isiah, Imus, and influence.
c) liable to provoke some interesting dialougue and it did (about the media, racial relations and overall American stupidity).

Also, this rant you have just gone on, about Katrina, Vick, etc, I think we ought to talk about those things, at least until the knicks start playing and we can focus on bball. Are you up for the challenge?

Ok, sounds like I jumped the gun in assuming the point of this thread then. I guess I just got a little sensitive because of there's been a lot of threads here and some of them do concern me. Anyway, let's talk about things. But, let me correct you. I never said anything resembling the following: "Ever since you said something in one of those other threads about how discrimination doesn't exist and white people are systematically discriminated against based on race". I merely said that all of the suppositions could be argued; that they weren't necessarily fact. I do believe, for the most part, the system tries to be fair (including in some cases, to the disadvantage of the majority). Not all individuals are fair, however.

[Edited by - Solace on Sep 28 2007 12:52 AM]

When you guys start your own thread start it with this:

Hurricaine Katrina

Can you imagine the United States government waiting 5 days as little blonde haired blue eyed babies crying and dying in the streets with no food or water... or elderly white people dying in the streets ... news guy doing a report just a few steps from a dead elderly white man on a bridge. Young white women looking into the camera saying help us, and nothing happens for 5 days?

AS FOR OUR THIRD WORLD BLACK FOLKS

If its happening in a "third-world" country, so what right?

Its as though people read and hear the mortality numbers, see the starving, mutilated & dead Africans on TV and stare blankly in mute stupidity.

But if people in Great Britain are killed in a subway attack (which WAS horrible) we (Americans) can relate better to their suffering because they're white.

IMAGINE how the American, European;Caucasian world would have reacted if those torture images from Abu Gharib were of ALL WHITE PEOPLE!

Can you say "riots" and "revolution" in the streets, chidren?

But arabs? Nooooooo....They're lives are expendable.

Starving & executed Africans? Pass me the steak & potatos, honey!

Central & South Americans, Asians tortured, mutilated, prostituted and other abuses is just fine-As long as they don't cancel '24' with some stupid news report!!!

This is the world we live in and this is how the Majority who runs this country thinks.


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9/28/2007  8:12 AM
The Disadvantaged Majority

Solace - "I do believe, for the most part, the system tries to be fair (including in some cases, to the disadvantage of the majority). Not all individuals are fair, however."

Solace - I wish I knew which system you were referring to. I really do.

The legal system?

The health care system?

The educational system?

other?

playa - as global warming raises the level of tides around the world is it really such a stretch that there could come a day (hopefully never) that torrential rains combined with yet another failure of the Subway System (hold UP, maybe Solace was talking about THAT system!) shut down the city?

Flooded streets make driving impossible.

Imagine Madison Square Garden as a shelter of last resort for 45,435 stranded communters as the Manhattan island is cut off for five days. The electricity inside The World's Most Famous Arena fails, along with the potable water.

How long to you think it takes President Jenna Bush to summon and mobilize the National Guard?





[Edited by - misterearl on 09-28-2007 08:19 AM]
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9/28/2007  8:21 AM
Posted by misterearl:

The Disadvantaged Majority

Solace - "I do believe, for the most part, the system tries to be fair (including in some cases, to the disadvantage of the majority). Not all individuals are fair, however."

Solace - I wish I knew which system you were referring to. I really do.

The legal system?

The health care system?

The educational system?

other?

playa - as global warming raises the level of tides around the world is it really such a stretch that there could come a day (hopefully never) that torrential rains combined with yet another failure of the Subway System (hold UP, maybe Solace was talking about THAT system!) shut down the city?

Flooded streets make driving impossible.

Imagine Madison Square Garden as a shelter of last resort for 45,435 stranded communters as the Manhattan island is cut off for five days. The electricity inside The World's Most Famous Arena fails, along with the potable water.

How long to you think it takes President Jenna Bush to summon and mobilize the National Guard?





[Edited by - misterearl on 09-28-2007 08:19 AM]

I believe Kanye West was right...Bush doesn't care about black people!

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9/28/2007  8:33 AM
Tossin' and turnin'

playa - I sleep better at night knowing that Bill O'Reilly cares

with one eye open

[Edited by - misterearl on 09-28-2007 09:58 AM]
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9/28/2007  10:21 AM
Posted by playa2:


When you guys start your own thread start it with this:

Hurricaine Katrina

Can you imagine the United States government waiting 5 days as little blonde haired blue eyed babies crying and dying in the streets with no food or water... or elderly white people dying in the streets ... news guy doing a report just a few steps from a dead elderly white man on a bridge. Young white women looking into the camera saying help us, and nothing happens for 5 days?

AS FOR OUR THIRD WORLD BLACK FOLKS

If its happening in a "third-world" country, so what right?

Its as though people read and hear the mortality numbers, see the starving, mutilated & dead Africans on TV and stare blankly in mute stupidity.

But if people in Great Britain are killed in a subway attack (which WAS horrible) we (Americans) can relate better to their suffering because they're white.

IMAGINE how the American, European;Caucasian world would have reacted if those torture images from Abu Gharib were of ALL WHITE PEOPLE!

Can you say "riots" and "revolution" in the streets, chidren?

But arabs? Nooooooo....They're lives are expendable.

Starving & executed Africans? Pass me the steak & potatos, honey!

Central & South Americans, Asians tortured, mutilated, prostituted and other abuses is just fine-As long as they don't cancel '24' with some stupid news report!!!

This is the world we live in and this is how the Majority who runs this country thinks.


I don't really dispute your general point, though I do wonder if there is any data to suggest that blacks are truly more sympathetic about, say, natural disasters in other parts of the globe than whites. For instance, is there documentation to show that blacks were more generous in sending support to tsunami victims, or the frequent floods in Bangladesh?

I think one will find that the reason the subway bombings and the like garner greater attention is not because they are occurring to white people per se, but because it's considered to have a greater transference to America -- as in destabilization of our government or financial systems.

We as a country don't need to feel as directly threatened by civil wars or natural disasters in impoverished nations because they don't directly affect our government or economic systems to the degree they, or terrorism, does when it occurs in countries our government shares deep military and economy ties with. The deeper those affiliations with a country, the more attention it will garner because the closer it strikes to home.

That said, the western world is the dominant force and it has been ruled by whites for a long time so it's no coincidence that the brunt our our international relations are with other "white" countries, and thus our greater ties and deeper concerns with them. That however is likely to change going forward as countries like India and China continue to grow at a faster rate than us and become powerhouses in their own rights that must be reckoned with.

IMO, racism isn't the only battle front here, nationalism also plays a very large role. People always wanting America to come out on top is like racism but on a larger scale. Please don't tell me that whites are the only nationalists who, for instance, believe in buying American products and don't want Asians, Indians, latinos, Mexicans, etc, taking "our" jobs. I hope it's not racist of me to assume that even blacks sometimes fear the arrival of new immigrants to their neighborhoods (like Koreans) out of fear they might be economically displaced by them.

It's hard to all get along when we constantly feel threatened by the other, and we are tribal by nature. As I've said before, much of this is human nature, not white or black nature.

[Edited by - blueseats on 09-28-2007 10:28 AM]
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9/28/2007  10:45 AM
playa, what about darfur? i've seen a lot of people of all different races making efforts to raise relief money and lobby for action there. not trying to be confrontational, just asking am i missing something, or does darfur happen to be a case that conflicts with what you posted?

it's true maybe the government is unwilling to do anything, but if that's the case then it may be unfair to level those kinds of implications against white (and other) americans in general just for being in the majority.
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9/28/2007  10:47 AM
Hurricaine Katrina

Can you imagine the United States government waiting 5 days as little blonde haired blue eyed babies crying and dying in the streets with no food or water... or elderly white people dying in the streets ... news guy doing a report just a few steps from a dead elderly white man on a bridge. Young white women looking into the camera saying help us, and nothing happens for 5 days?

Our govt would have been there within the 1st day if these were the pic shown over the news networks repeatedly.

Do you think black people have time for people in other countries when we can't get any help of our own people in our own country????

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9/28/2007  11:22 AM
Playa,

Its a socio economic thing. The lack of preparation and prevention is the real crime. WTF was there no help? Racist? Ok, but the lack of an infrastructure is the real reason. The lack of busing, and the lack of ability to get out. People with cars got out, people in need of buses did not.

This is america, a country built on the independant spirit. The ugly side of that is if your gonna rely on the government to take care of you its not gonna be pretty!

Its sick what happened, its sick you had people with addictions getting strung out. its sick thousands of people instead of going to the dome with basic supplies instead came to party! Its sick there was not proper preparations to house and feed them properly.

Its racist, and at the same time does the lack of preparation still exist to day if another disaster hit???? And whose fault is that? If a black mayor and black city council dont' get the job done and a white president can't fix it become a racist event? What about plain old incompetitance across the board by those intrusted to care? Bottom line, the white mountain people of Tennesee have little ecnomic power and if disaster struck them they are left to fend for themselves.

New Orleans has been a disaster waiting to happen for decades. This disaster was a congruence of events that blame can be spread by many.

I can't say I blame anyone for the anger toward our government and the insurance companies. The whole thing is a sham and its digusting.

So playa, what are you doing about it?

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9/28/2007  11:42 AM
^ he's posting a few more OT threads about it.
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9/28/2007  12:24 PM
i am really worried about some of you and the hidden agendas on prejudice and racism.

Like the white guy on cnn said last night.

Blacks are leary of white people who try and hide their new fangled racism and prejudices practices instead of being open and blatant about it.

This in itself puts blacks on their heels having to be on the defensive all the time not knowing if someone is sincere or not with no agendas.

So glad I saw him say that last night to show me we have honest white people who understands how racism works in 2007.

[Edited by - playa2 on 28-09-2007 12:42]
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