Posted by misterearl:

TrueBlue - "anyone" better be ready to take over the moment Dolan feels its time for a change.

I respect your offering of random speculation but let's get real - the road is littered with a truckload of NBA General Managers who entered with a plan - and exited with a pink slip.

I would also offer that not "anyone" at GM (and that includes amateur GMs who second guess every move but have never set foot in an NBA practice, executive meeting...or locker room, ever) would have recognized the potential of the newest Knicks...

Renaldo Balkman was booed

David Lee was not on anyone's radar

Randolph Morris was delivered in a historic in-season signing

Wilson Chandler is already better than Trevor Ariza, who no one heard of

and make no mistake about it, no matter what your opinion of his past is -

Zach Randolph can play

Posted by nixluva:

Isles, Trueblue, come on guys. Ariza had almost no real NBA skills when he came in the league. He was all energy and athletic ability. Chandler is already a much more polished all around talent. If you're gonna start saying that he has to play a game then you could say the same for every other pick in this draft. Oden and Durant aren't good yet either. I think that's just being silly. If you've got eyes you can see the skills.

Again there are no guarantees, but I think Chan has better tools than Ariza already. I would guess that if he was left open like they did to Ariza, Chan would nail some shots. He's got a better physique than Ariza already too. Almost the same athletic ability, but stronger.

Posted by nixluva:

Isles, Trueblue, come on guys. Ariza had almost no real NBA skills when he came in the league. He was all energy and athletic ability. Chandler is already a much more polished all around talent. If you're gonna start saying that he has to play a game then you could say the same for every other pick in this draft. Oden and Durant aren't good yet either. I think that's just being silly. If you've got eyes you can see the skills.

Again there are no guarantees, but I think Chan has better tools than Ariza already. I would guess that if he was left open like they did to Ariza, Chan would nail some shots. He's got a better physique than Ariza already too. Almost the same athletic ability, but stronger.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by nixluva:

Isles, Trueblue, come on guys. Ariza had almost no real NBA skills when he came in the league. He was all energy and athletic ability. Chandler is already a much more polished all around talent. If you're gonna start saying that he has to play a game then you could say the same for every other pick in this draft. Oden and Durant aren't good yet either. I think that's just being silly. If you've got eyes you can see the skills.

Again there are no guarantees, but I think Chan has better tools than Ariza already. I would guess that if he was left open like they did to Ariza, Chan would nail some shots. He's got a better physique than Ariza already too. Almost the same athletic ability, but stronger.

That's an opinion of where Chandler's game is at now compared to where Ariza's was then.

That's not what Earl said, stay on point Nix and stop being irrational. Earl said Chandler is already better than Ariza... meaning Current Knick player is better than Current Orlando player. Not Current Knick player better than the Past Knick player. Ariza is a starter/definite 6th man Chandler might not crack the rotation.

What is it with you and insulting me. Can't you just make your point without saying that i'm irrational or some other characterization If you actually read what I wrote. In addition to going back to the level of ability they both had coming in, I also said:

Posted by nixluva:

Again there are no guarantees, but I think Chan has better tools than Ariza already. I would guess that if he was left open like they did to Ariza, Chan would nail some shots. He's got a better physique than Ariza already too. Almost the same athletic ability, but stronger.

With this statement i'm referring to the player Ariza is now. Of course Ariza has a few years of NBA experience on his side and that along with other vets on the Knicks that are ahead of him, is the reason he's not likely to crack the rotation. It doesn't mean that Chan isn't a better overall player. Ariza isn't exactly lighting up the league off the bench either. The guy only started 7 games, so I wouldn't say he's anywhere near starting material. He's a nice energy guy. Right now Chan would hit more 3's IMO.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by nixluva:

Isles, Trueblue, come on guys. Ariza had almost no real NBA skills when he came in the league. He was all energy and athletic ability. Chandler is already a much more polished all around talent. If you're gonna start saying that he has to play a game then you could say the same for every other pick in this draft. Oden and Durant aren't good yet either. I think that's just being silly. If you've got eyes you can see the skills.

Again there are no guarantees, but I think Chan has better tools than Ariza already. I would guess that if he was left open like they did to Ariza, Chan would nail some shots. He's got a better physique than Ariza already too. Almost the same athletic ability, but stronger.

That's an opinion of where Chandler's game is at now compared to where Ariza's was then.

That's not what Earl said, stay on point Nix and stop being irrational. Earl said Chandler is already better than Ariza... meaning Current Knick player is better than Current Orlando player. Not Current Knick player better than the Past Knick player. Ariza is a starter/definite 6th man Chandler might not crack the rotation.

What is it with you and insulting me. Can't you just make your point without saying that i'm irrational or some other characterization If you actually read what I wrote. In addition to going back to the level of ability they both had coming in, I also said:

Posted by nixluva:

Again there are no guarantees, but I think Chan has better tools than Ariza already. I would guess that if he was left open like they did to Ariza, Chan would nail some shots. He's got a better physique than Ariza already too. Almost the same athletic ability, but stronger.

With this statement i'm referring to the player Ariza is now. Of course Ariza has a few years of NBA experience on his side and that along with other vets on the Knicks that are ahead of him, is the reason he's not likely to crack the rotation. It doesn't mean that Chan isn't a better overall player. Ariza isn't exactly lighting up the league off the bench either. The guy only started 7 games, so I wouldn't say he's anywhere near starting material. He's a nice energy guy. Right now Chan would hit more 3's IMO.

With all due respect, what's your point? We're discussing misterearl's ridiculous comment that right now Chandler is a better player than Ariza. You're talking about better physiques and specific skills like shooting 3 pointers.

Again, nobody is saying that Chandler can't become better than Ariza, hell he might even surpass him during his rookie year, but it's asinine to say that Chandler is better RIGHT NOW than a 2 year veteran, who has started a handful of games, all before he starts his first training camp.

Posted by Papabear:

Papabear Says

I think that Chandler will be a better player than Ariza. Chandler will get some burn time. I believe who us the starting 5 in the begining of the season won't be the starting 5 at the end of the season. If big snacks comes to camp out of shape. Just cut him lose. If he comes in great shape, I think he can help this team. I know everyone can't play. I would like to see how we play Charlotte, and the sixers. We will know what we have 10 games into the season. Every team in our division has improved. We shall see.

Papabear

Posted by misterearl:

"Come on!!!
This is about earl's believes.
And believes are irrational.
Why are you looking for some logic?"

That is an interesting take arkrud. Beliefs can be strange things. To anyone who has lived history it would seem as highly irrational as someone else believing the Holocaust never happened. There are those who believe that. It is their belief. It cannot be changed.

Or believing in one supreme being over another. That too, is the immovable object of too many wars and too much destruction.

Logic... (pause) or belief?

Repeat... Logic ....(pause) or belief?

Or fact?

Very different things.

Please don't be so quick to be offended if I inject the slightest amount of humor in my" belief" that Wilson Chandler will be The Mayor... or that he is already better than Trevor Ariza.

He is "better" because he is ours. He is a Knicks player.

If I show the same unconditional support for a franchise I've supported in the same manner of positive "belief" in better things to come, for decades, why is that a crime all of a sudden?

Why is that a crime?








[Edited by - misterearl on 09-25-2007 07:14 AM]

Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - do you believe in miracles?

No.
Miracle is a fact with very low probability.
People make miracles. Nothing is given to us.
People make Gods to exist.