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misterearl
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9/18/2007  8:01 AM
"People take a supplement that has a little more than caffeine in it and they call that cheating and suspend you for four games for that? But these guys are videotaping our signals from the sideline? New England went from not being a good team to being a powerhouse. Now I have a question."

- Dolphins linebacker Joey Porter

"people who spent much of the summer in outrage over Barry Bonds's chase of the home run record owe Belichick the same treatment because they've both cheated the game."

- Dan Le Batard, Miami Herald


"...the Patriots, with Belichick leading the way, already were perceived in a great many football circles as smug, dismissive and manipulative to the highest degree, and they got caught cheating at a time when the boss of the NFL, Roger Goodell, has declared zero tolerance on anything that reflects negatively on the product."

"...there are nonetheless no shortage of reports about how superior of character the coaches and players are. Yet there's the matter of Belichick constantly lying about his teams' injuries or refusing to disclose them as the league requires."

- Mike Wilbon

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playa2
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9/18/2007  8:52 AM
Why isn't isn't Micheal Vick or Pac Man Jones allowed to play sometime during the season ?

Did they do what Tim Donaghy did , hurt the integriety of the sport were they make a living ? NO

Belichek did and he's still on the sidelines, I mean the guy just displayed to the world how he would cheat by videotaping oppossing teams defense signals and he gets a slap on the wrist.

The Owner of the Pats Mr Kraft, could easily pay BILL'S fine if he wanted to.

Belichek should have been fined and suspended 4 games just like someone who gets caught for substance abuse.

For crying out loud he just damaged the Integriety of the NFL and is still making a living on the sidelines as a NFL COACH.

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9/18/2007  11:32 AM
Posted by playa2:

Why isn\'t isn\'t Micheal Vick or Pac Man Jones allowed to play sometime during the season ?

Did they do what Tim Donaghy did , hurt the integriety of the sport were they make a living ? NO

Belichek did and he\'s still on the sidelines, I mean the guy just displayed to the world how he would cheat by videotaping oppossing teams defense signals and he gets a slap on the wrist.

The Owner of the Pats Mr Kraft, could easily pay BILL\'S fine if he wanted to.

Belichek should have been fined and suspended 4 games just like someone who gets caught for substance abuse.

For crying out loud he just damaged the Integriety of the NFL and is still making a living on the sidelines as a NFL COACH.

You know what the Green Bay power sweep was? Everyone knew--but you still could not stop it. How many NFL players have taken steroids in the history of the league? Troy Aikman to Michael Irvin on a slant--they could scream it outloud and have 5 guys surrounding it and still could not stop it. I\'m on second base--if I pick up a sign--why wouldnt I relay that message to the hitter with a sign? happens every game. Do you know how many plays in football get checked off---probably 50%+. Man they took that camera away from the Patriots in q1 Jet game and then went on to outscore the Jets and Chargers by 60 points. He may have done something smug and disrespctful to the game--but to say the word cheated in football is kind of crazy. Is tom Brady going 25-30 cheating? Ever play football--ever here the word key right key left and they play goes right or the play goes left. The teams spend all week practing off of the film from their next opponenet--going over formations plays checks the whole scallywag. I believe you cannot cheat in football and the football players who are mentioning the word cheat are sour grapes[understandably]or jealous--that is NOT to say Bellicheck blantantly did not follow orders of the league and continued a practice that seems to have been in place a long time. In most any sport you do what you can to get a competitive edge--what Tim Donaghy did was cheating the game--other than that cheating really is hard to do.
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9/18/2007  11:45 AM
If you know something is coming it's very easy to beat the defense, it's not as simple as Irving going out physically abusing recievers pushing off every play and scoring a touchdown. If you know what the defensive back does on certain possessions it makes the game a lot easier........

I don't know how we got in a debate about this. Would you rather be the pats right now or the knicks. A poor run organization that mistreats it's employees, and under qualified people are giving orders and employees have to take it because dolan is an idiot. In 6 years MSG has two series victories between two teams. Being GM isn't brain surgery, don't take chances on questionable characters, don't overpay maringal talent and don't give out long term deals to players that aren't getting you results. If a player is soft than don't bring him here.

If you comparing cheating in football, to human garbage like Vick and Jones, your not only a ****ing idiot your just lost. Breading dogs to kill, kidnapping other dogs and breaking their legs and tapping their mouths so they can't fight back is the worst form of human scum. Vick and his brother belong in prison plain and simple. And Pac Man Jones takes a stripper off the stage and slams her head against a stage starts brawls, assaults people and members of his entourage take away someones ability to walk and we are comparing stealing signs.
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9/18/2007  11:54 AM
Posted by MS:

If you comparing cheating in football, to human garbage like Vick and Jones, your not only a ****ing idiot your just lost. Breading dogs to kill, kidnapping other dogs and breaking their legs and tapping their mouths so they can't fight back is the worst form of human scum. Vick and his brother belong in prison plain and simple. And Pac Man Jones takes a stripper off the stage and slams her head against a stage starts brawls, assaults people and members of his entourage take away someones ability to walk and we are comparing stealing signs.

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9/18/2007  12:20 PM
The integriety of the game has been damaged and you turn ya head and look the other way.

Ron Jaworski said last night on MNF that if QB's had the advantage the Patriots they could complete 75% of their passes be it they aren't dropped or the qb throws a bad pass.

Who am I to believe Ron Jaworski or some posters on on knicks basketball site ?

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
misterearl
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9/18/2007  2:42 PM
MS - human garbage?

I'm curious, what words would you use to describe Bill Belichiek?

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9/18/2007  2:55 PM
misterearl, the point is this. Bill Belichek was cheating on a football game. If you wanna compare that to hurting and killing and torturing dogs, and paralyzing human beings and assaulting them and carrying a gun around while at it, you need to get a reality check. Bill shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as the other two. For that matter, neither should Barry Bonds.
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9/18/2007  2:56 PM
You putting a question mark behind human garbage, is an idictment on you to be honest. Your defending pieces of **** with your question mark. And cheating is cheating I guess, but not in the same category as murdering dogs and assaulting people on countless occasions

I think Bill is a shallow man, I am not a fan I think he is a classless ******* and handles people much the same way isiah does minus the smile (lenny, chaney, larry).
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9/18/2007  10:12 PM
Earl I find it hard to believe that Vick is the only person who has done dog fighting. You should remember the stance I took on the issue. It was not very popular around here, but I fully stand by it.
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misterearl
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9/18/2007  11:02 PM
Allanfan - I was not making any comparison of the act itself.

No where did I mention anything about comparing dogfighting to taping coaches signals. Nowhere.

I was only requesting a comparison of the depictions and vocabulary selected to describe two violators of league rules.
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