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EnySpree
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9/15/2007  10:13 PM
Ok so everyone is all over the place with their rankings. So you know what? Let's stick with the knicks winning the championship and that's that.
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9/15/2007  10:25 PM
7 out of 9 posters have the Knicks making the playoffs. It looks pretty similar to the judgments people had here before each of Isiah's years.
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9/15/2007  10:27 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

7 out of 9 posters have the Knicks making the playoffs. It looks pretty similar to the judgments people had here before each of Isiah's years.

Eventually one yr they'll get it right.
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9/15/2007  10:29 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:

7 out of 9 posters have the Knicks making the playoffs. It looks pretty similar to the judgments people had here before each of Isiah's years.

Eventually one yr they'll get it right.

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9/15/2007  10:39 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:

7 out of 9 posters have the Knicks making the playoffs. It looks pretty similar to the judgments people had here before each of Isiah's years.

Eventually one yr they'll get it right.

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Didn't the majority of posters have this team winning less than 40gms about a month ago? If that's the case LOL @ making the playoffs with a sub .500 record.
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9/15/2007  10:54 PM
on paper NY should make the play-offs. depends on Isiah's backcourt rotation.

PLAY MARDY!!!
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9/15/2007  11:41 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:

7 out of 9 posters have the Knicks making the playoffs. It looks pretty similar to the judgments people had here before each of Isiah's years.

Eventually one yr they'll get it right.
The difference in this year from let's say LB's season is that we didn't EXPECT the Knicks to make the Playoffs then. Don't lie and make it sound like there were a lot of people picing the Knicks as some kind of lock to make the palyoffs. Some thought they had an outside shot to get better by seasons end and maybe sneak in. No one was saying they were a lock to make it, in either of the last 2 years. This year they aren't a lock either, but they have a much better chance after a year or more of experience for some of our younger players. We've also improved the roster again and we're now going into our 2nd year with Isiah as coach.

If some of you guys still can't recognize that this team is in fact getting better then I really don't know about your powers of observation. With each off season, we've been adding more young talent and growing that talent. At some point it's got to come together and this looks like the year when that will likely happen.

In regards to Orlando, I don't know that i'd call Rashard a go to guy. I never saw him as a lead offensive guy in this league. He's a great shooter, but not really a great shot creator. He's not terrible at it, but he's not a guy that I look at as a "just give him the ball and get out of his way" late game player. We'll have to see how much of an impact he has.

Miami got some good guys to help in Smush and Daequan, but are they really guys you can count on to make a big difference?

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9/16/2007  12:17 AM
Playoff Teams

1) Nets - Kidd is on a mission, they have the talent and everyone is healthy
2) Chicago - Another year older with TT and Noah stepping up to bolster their frontcourt
3) Cleveland - I think they could slip lower but have to give them credit for making the Finals
4) Boston - Big 3 is good enough to win regular season games. Playoffs could very well be a different story
5) Detroit - Still a very good albeit aging team
6) Toronto - No major changes but they don't deserve to be any lower
7) Miami - Despite losing Wade and Shaq for 31 and 42 games respectively, they still won 44 games and won their division. Wade will comeback strong by late December
8) Orlando - They gave Lewis too much money and for too many years but he does give them the scorer that they desperately need for Howard to play off of


Bubble Teams

9) Washington - Arenas, Butler and Jamison are too good of a trio to not come close to making the playoffs
10) Charlotte - Up and coming team but Richardson will get hurt eventually
11) Milwaukee - With Redd healthy they're a bubble playoff team
12) Philadelphia - Sleeper team. No Iverson distraction this year

Bringing up the rear

13) Atlanta - Joe Johnson is one of the best all around players in the game and Horford will challenge Durant for ROY honors but the Hawks are the Hawks for at least one more year. The year after, they challenge for a playoff spot
14) Knicks - They're a timebomb just waiting to go off. From Isiah starting the year with his sexual harrassment trial that continues to air MSG's dirty laundry, to Starbury acting like he's drugged out of his freaking mind, to Zach and Curry having to learn to co-exist, to too many players and not enough minutes to go around, to there being no excuses for not making the playoffs this year and the pressure that comes with it. And so on and so on...it's going to be better than the 4th of July when this baby explodes. Isiah, the Bell Tolls for Thee
15) Indiana - O'Neal will be traded to the Lakers in a desperate attempt to appease Kobe, they will be in full rebuild mode by January.
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9/16/2007  1:57 AM
1)Heat
2)Pistons
3)Celtics
4)Nets
5)Wizards
6)Cavs
7)Bulls
8)Raptors/Knicks/Magic


I don't know everbody sweats the BUlls. THey were one of the healthly teams last year and still only got the 5th seed.
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9/16/2007  7:59 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:

7 out of 9 posters have the Knicks making the playoffs. It looks pretty similar to the judgments people had here before each of Isiah's years.

Eventually one yr they'll get it right.
The difference in this year from let's say LB's season is that we didn't EXPECT the Knicks to make the Playoffs then. Don't lie and make it sound like there were a lot of people picing the Knicks as some kind of lock to make the palyoffs. Some thought they had an outside shot to get better by seasons end and maybe sneak in. No one was saying they were a lock to make it, in either of the last 2 years. This year they aren't a lock either, but they have a much better chance after a year or more of experience for some of our younger players. We've also improved the roster again and we're now going into our 2nd year with Isiah as coach.

If some of you guys still can't recognize that this team is in fact getting better then I really don't know about your powers of observation. With each off season, we've been adding more young talent and growing that talent. At some point it's got to come together and this looks like the year when that will likely happen.

In regards to Orlando, I don't know that i'd call Rashard a go to guy. I never saw him as a lead offensive guy in this league. He's a great shooter, but not really a great shot creator. He's not terrible at it, but he's not a guy that I look at as a "just give him the ball and get out of his way" late game player. We'll have to see how much of an impact he has.

Miami got some good guys to help in Smush and Daequan, but are they really guys you can count on to make a big difference?

Sorry but I'm calling BS. That year, people thought Eddy would emerge under Larry Brown. There was even one thread predicting a Knicks' championship and people didn't think the poster was out of line. Almost everyone (including me) thought the Knicks were a lock for the playoffs. The year before that, we had just added Jamal and everyone thought he would make the difference and push us far into the playoffs. Before that, everyone thought Steph would make the difference. Now we add Zach and everyone says he will make the difference. We've added a lot of max or near max contract very "talented" players this decade that other teams were dying to get rid of, and not once has it paid off in the standings. A good casual definition of insanity might be doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-16-2007 08:02 AM]
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9/16/2007  8:19 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Playoff Teams

1) Nets - Kidd is on a mission, they have the talent and everyone is healthy
2) Chicago - Another year older with TT and Noah stepping up to bolster their frontcourt
3) Cleveland - I think they could slip lower but have to give them credit for making the Finals
4) Boston - Big 3 is good enough to win regular season games. Playoffs could very well be a different story
5) Detroit - Still a very good albeit aging team
6) Toronto - No major changes but they don't deserve to be any lower
7) Miami - Despite losing Wade and Shaq for 31 and 42 games respectively, they still won 44 games and won their division. Wade will comeback strong by late December
8) Orlando - They gave Lewis too much money and for too many years but he does give them the scorer that they desperately need for Howard to play off of


Bubble Teams

9) Washington - Arenas, Butler and Jamison are too good of a trio to not come close to making the playoffs
10) Charlotte - Up and coming team but Richardson will get hurt eventually
11) Milwaukee - With Redd healthy they're a bubble playoff team
12) Philadelphia - Sleeper team. No Iverson distraction this year

Bringing up the rear

13) Atlanta - Joe Johnson is one of the best all around players in the game and Horford will challenge Durant for ROY honors but the Hawks are the Hawks for at least one more year. The year after, they challenge for a playoff spot
14) Knicks - They're a timebomb just waiting to go off. From Isiah starting the year with his sexual harrassment trial that continues to air MSG's dirty laundry, to Starbury acting like he's drugged out of his freaking mind, to Zach and Curry having to learn to co-exist, to too many players and not enough minutes to go around, to there being no excuses for not making the playoffs this year and the pressure that comes with it. And so on and so on...it's going to be better than the 4th of July when this baby explodes. Isiah, the Bell Tolls for Thee
15) Indiana - O'Neal will be traded to the Lakers in a desperate attempt to appease Kobe, they will be in full rebuild mode by January.

Knicks 14th...Classic Islesfan posting! I don't think they'll be quite the bad.
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9/16/2007  8:59 AM
Knicks could make the playoffs. Their improvements are:
1. Zach
2. A bunch of young players with another year experience under their belt. - Lee; Nate; Balkman; Mardy. They should improve over last year.
3. And the removal of Francis.

So the Knicks should be a much better team. The big questions in my mind are:
1. Defense
2. Point guard - can anyone pass the ball on a regular basis?
3. Coach - Can Isiah get away from his personal problems; focus on just coaching. If yes, he can be a very good coach and team unifyer.

OK - I didnt answer the question: So here goes:

1. Boston
2. Cavs
3. Bulls
4. Miami
5. Toronto
6. Detroit
7. Nets
8. Knicks - I'm an optimist!
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9/16/2007  9:43 AM
Posted by McK1:

on paper NY should make the play-offs. depends on Isiah's backcourt rotation.

PLAY MARDY!!!

I think its safe to say mardy is in the backcourt rotation.

I just wish the knicks would lower the roster to 15 already.
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9/16/2007  10:24 AM
why NY should make the playoffs:

team loaded with offensive talent in a conference lacking quality teams

why there is a good chance they won't:

Isiah's off the court issues a distraction.

Closertothelightbury's flakiness (I miss the "All Alone" Darkbury already)

Curry vs Zach -- After being the go to guy, how will Curry respond to a reduction in touches?

Crawford vs Crawful -- as long as Isiah is running the show, he is getting the ball. which one shows up on a nightly basis?
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9/16/2007  11:38 AM
Playoff Seeds

1) Cleveland- LeBron is just too good.

2) Detroit- Yes they are getting old, but Detroit will be one of the top teams in the East yet again.

3) Boston- 3 guys with a lot to prove. House and Posey are good additions to the bench but its the Big 3 that will make the Celtics relevant again. They will win the Atlantic.

4) Miami- Shaq and Wade missed a lot of games last year. I think they will be relatively healthy this season and if they are, Miami will be tough again. Miami wins the Southeast here.

5) Nets- I think New Jersey is a good team and I'm not trying to show them disrespect, but, I think the above 4 teams are simply better. Magloire was a good addition and the return of Krstic will be huge. At the same time, I'm not convinced the bigs are good enough to get New Jersey to the Finals and I don't see them in the Conference Finals either because of the playoff seed.

6) Bulls- Very good defensive team that still needs a good low post presence and a guy to go to in the clutch. 6th seed seeems very low for the Bulls, but Big Ben is getting older and as much as I like how this team plays, I think they are the 3rd best team in their division once again this season.

7) Wizards- I think this team is underrated. With the return of Arenas, the Wizards instantly become a good team again.

8) Orlando/Toronto/New York- These are the three teams that will be fighting for that last playoff spot in my opinion. As of right now, I would have to give the Raptors a little bit of an edge because of their performance last season. You figure Bargnani and the other young guys will be better with another season under their belts (Bosh is already a stud of course). Orlando got better with the Lewis signing, but I'm not convinced they are a playoff team because of that. We also got better with the Randolph trade, but we have several question marks and with an improved East this season, there is still a very real chance we don't make the playoffs.


First round: (1) Cleveland beats (8) seed
(7) Wizards beat (2)Pistons
(3) Boston beats (6) Bulls
(4) Miami beats (5) Nets

Second round: (1) Cleveland beats (4) Miami
(3) Boston beats (7) Wizards


Conference Finals: (1) Cleveland beats (3) Boston










[Edited by - s3231 on 09-16-2007 11:44 AM]
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9/16/2007  12:06 PM
Knicks, the way team contracted, is flipping the coins team.
You have 50% chance to guess right.
But to make Knicks play-off team too many coins should come up right.
Its fine to gamble until the possible return became less that investments.
Than it called addiction.
We fans can be addicted - team executive are paid to be not.
The team went through such pains for 8 years that play-off cannot be considered a prize any more.
It will be cool for us fans and we will root for this.
But in respect to Isiah and Co this will be a failure anyway.




[Edited by - arkrud on 09-16-2007 12:17 PM]
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9/16/2007  12:55 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:

7 out of 9 posters have the Knicks making the playoffs. It looks pretty similar to the judgments people had here before each of Isiah's years.

Eventually one yr they'll get it right.
The difference in this year from let's say LB's season is that we didn't EXPECT the Knicks to make the Playoffs then. Don't lie and make it sound like there were a lot of people picing the Knicks as some kind of lock to make the palyoffs. Some thought they had an outside shot to get better by seasons end and maybe sneak in. No one was saying they were a lock to make it, in either of the last 2 years. This year they aren't a lock either, but they have a much better chance after a year or more of experience for some of our younger players. We've also improved the roster again and we're now going into our 2nd year with Isiah as coach.

If some of you guys still can't recognize that this team is in fact getting better then I really don't know about your powers of observation. With each off season, we've been adding more young talent and growing that talent. At some point it's got to come together and this looks like the year when that will likely happen.

In regards to Orlando, I don't know that i'd call Rashard a go to guy. I never saw him as a lead offensive guy in this league. He's a great shooter, but not really a great shot creator. He's not terrible at it, but he's not a guy that I look at as a "just give him the ball and get out of his way" late game player. We'll have to see how much of an impact he has.

Miami got some good guys to help in Smush and Daequan, but are they really guys you can count on to make a big difference?

Sorry but I'm calling BS. That year, people thought Eddy would emerge under Larry Brown. There was even one thread predicting a Knicks' championship and people didn't think the poster was out of line. Almost everyone (including me) thought the Knicks were a lock for the playoffs. The year before that, we had just added Jamal and everyone thought he would make the difference and push us far into the playoffs. Before that, everyone thought Steph would make the difference. Now we add Zach and everyone says he will make the difference. We've added a lot of max or near max contract very "talented" players this decade that other teams were dying to get rid of, and not once has it paid off in the standings. A good casual definition of insanity might be doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-16-2007 08:02 AM]

Thanks Bonn for touching this post. I was definitely going to light it up but decided to wait until today. Nix post is especially comical when he himself has had the team making the playoffs the past couple yrs along with predicting the team would be .500 at least and last yr having them winning as high as 45, 46gms. There have been plenty of fans thinking this team would make the playoffs the past couple season and in particular from the so-called HATER crowd we've always had the mentality that the team should win no less than 45gms/season the past couple of seasons. And the HATER crowd continues to grow.
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9/16/2007  1:22 PM
Very interesting. Nobody has the Knicks higher than 6th, yet a ton of people making these very predictions accuse others of being Knick Haters when they come up with criticism for the team. The Knicks have the talent to be a 50 win team, which is top 3 in the East. It flabberghasts me how the self proclaimed optimists have such low expectations. I personally am not nearly as optimistic as others on this board, but my expectations are over 45 wins, with or without messed up Starbury and Anuchagate.

Maybe someone can help me out with this one, b/c it's a little confusing to me.
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9/16/2007  2:22 PM
I predicted the knicks winning the championship so all my homer bases are covered.

Seriously though, if the knicks play the cavs in a 7 game series, the knicks are sweeping them.

Go knicks.
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Posted by EnySpree:

I predicted the knicks winning the championship so all my homer bases are covered.

Seriously though, if the knicks play the cavs in a 7 game series, the knicks are sweeping them.

Go knicks.

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