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arkrud
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9/5/2007  9:46 AM
Posted by CDB:
Posted by arkrud:

Kobe is a supper-ego
Kobe and IT - can they coexist?
Kobe and stephan - can they play together?
Kobe and Zack - can they share the ball?
Kobe and Eddy - Edddy will cry in the corner...

Kobe needs guys like Lee, balk, mardy around him. He MUST be the Boss.
You are putting wrong players in the trade. But hell, who wants Eddy, Zack, and Steph?
Not Lakers. They never were idiots.
Look at their GM, when you have a chance to get Jason Kidd you dont pass on it (no pun intended). When you have chances to get guys like Camby, Artest, Baron Davis, Boozer, you dont pass on it. When you trade Shaq for crap then your an idiot, when you trade for Kwanme Brown and put Butler in that trade then your an idiot, when you sign Vladimir Radmanovic then your an idiot. The GM (Mitch Kupchak) is a Idiot. Please dont say that they were "never idiots".

[Edited by - CDB on 09-04-2007 9:52 PM]

So why not to trade Kobe for steph and Eddy then.
They will get mini-shak and steph will go to Italy soon
We can add some picks and then we have nice matched peaces... and they will start over

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knixphan
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9/5/2007  1:29 PM
Actually, Stevo - I'm with you on this one. Respect him as a player, don't want him as a knick (Irrational, I know)
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9/6/2007  9:28 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:


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No one can get it done on their own. And you can't serious compare Big Ben to those other guys. Ben is a future hall-of-famer with several Defensive Player of the Year Awards and NBA rings. Those guys have barely made all-star teams. (Actually I don't think Miller has.)
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I can't believe people would consider placing Ben Wallace on par with franchise players like Barkley, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Ewing, Hakim, Clyde, Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, Amare, Kidd etc.

I would choose "the Worm" in his prime over Big Ben!
Ben Wallace is simply a high quality support player.

[Edited by - colorfl1 on 09-06-2007 09:31 AM]
Ira
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9/6/2007  10:39 AM
The point is that high quality 'support players' win games. They are difference makers for their teams.
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9/6/2007  4:10 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by Bonn1997:


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No one can get it done on their own. And you can't serious compare Big Ben to those other guys. Ben is a future hall-of-famer with several Defensive Player of the Year Awards and NBA rings. Those guys have barely made all-star teams. (Actually I don't think Miller has.)


I can't believe people would consider placing Ben Wallace on par with franchise players like Barkley, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Ewing, Hakim, Clyde, Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, Amare, Kidd etc.

I would choose "the Worm" in his prime over Big Ben!
Ben Wallace is simply a high quality support player.

[Edited by - colorfl1 on 09-06-2007 09:31 AM]
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There's still differences within the category "franchise player." I don't think anyone other than you is (or appears to be) saying all franchise players are the same or are equal.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-06-2007 4:11 PM]
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9/6/2007  5:19 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by Bonn1997:


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No one can get it done on their own. And you can't serious compare Big Ben to those other guys. Ben is a future hall-of-famer with several Defensive Player of the Year Awards and NBA rings. Those guys have barely made all-star teams. (Actually I don't think Miller has.)


I can't believe people would consider placing Ben Wallace on par with franchise players like Barkley, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Ewing, Hakim, Clyde, Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, Amare, Kidd etc.

I would choose "the Worm" in his prime over Big Ben!
Ben Wallace is simply a high quality support player.

[Edited by - colorfl1 on 09-06-2007 09:31 AM]

There's still differences within the category "franchise player." I don't think anyone other than you is (or appears to be) saying all franchise players are the same or are equal.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-06-2007 4:11 PM]
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I am not so certain that we need rehaul this entire squad to become championship contenders in the east within the next 3 years.
I am comfortable with pieces like Lee, Balkman, Q, Randolf, Collins and I believe that Curry will continue to develop and become a "Franchise" difference maker/ force.

I am not sure about breaking up our youth core to bring in a stud who does not make the players around him better, and who's skills will diminish in three years.
To me the major plus about Kobe is his defensive intensity and his desire to win.

I would not trade Lee, Q, Balkman, Morris and our future 2 first rounders for Kobe and scrap.
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9/7/2007  10:07 AM
It seems Phil Jackson is now on Kobe's side:

Phil's finally in Kobe's corner -- and it's bad for Lakers
Jackson's expressions of support for Bryant's criticism of management do not help the team, and Buss deserves better.
September 7, 2007

So Kobe Bryant has finally found a wingman, somebody to stand beside him and blast away at the Lakers, blowing up bridges, burning down fences, two soldiers standing shoulder to shoulder in the fight for justice and truth.

Good for Bryant, but bad for the Lakers.

Because his wingman is, um, ah, er, their coach.

Charged with healing this summer's deep wounds, Phil Jackson will apparently show up bearing salt.

Instead of beating down the rebellious Bryant, he is apparently joining him.

Two outlaws working together to steal the last remaining bits of Lakers sanity.

Crybaby Cassidy and the Zendance Kid.

Jackson made his views clear this week in a series of interviews that, in subtler tones, were just as indelibly damaging as Bryant's tagging spree of several months ago.

Like Bryant, Jackson said that a member of the Buss family misled him.

"We were promised by Jim Buss we'd have big changes," he told Petros Papadakis and Matt Smith on their KLAC radio show. "We've yet to see that. We're still looking for that."

Like Bryant, Jackson intimated that Andrew Bynum might be more valuable as trade bait.

"There's incredible pressure for that kid to step up and produce this year," he told the radio hosts, later adding, "He hasn't had the kind of success that generates the kind of press he's had."

Finally, like Bryant, Jackson talked about the need for the Lakers to repair the relationship torn apart by Bryant.

"I think actions are going to have to speak louder than words. . . ." he told The Times' Mark Heisler. "It's going to take some mending and other people in this organization have to be part of it, too."

If you didn't know better, you would think that Jackson and Bryant shared not only a Staples Center bench, but a timeline for fleeing that bench.

Actually, they do.

Jackson is in the final year of his contract, and has said he will not agree to an extension offer until, among other things, he is confident that the Lakers can contend.

Bryant, if he shows up and plays this season, would undoubtedly be traded afterward rather than be allowed to opt out of his contract before next season.

In other words, they're both short timers who have lost their patience, which is no excuse for also losing their manners.

While we have come to expect this stuff from Bryant, Jackson should know better.


He's entering the Basketball Hall of Fame today, and rightfully so. He's the best coach in pro basketball history, period.

Red Auerbach also won nine championships, but he did it with one team in easier conditions against fewer competitors.


Jackson has won championships with two teams from two different conferences, with vastly different kinds of players, handling much bigger egos and many more distractions.

More than any other coach, Jackson belongs in Springfield's hallowed halls.

But when he returns to Los Angeles, he belongs in the Lakers' doghouse.

There are 10 million reasons why.

Jackson may own basketball history, but the Lakers still own him.

Jackson's sense of survival may center around Bryant, but his sense of responsibility must lie with the team.

By publicly ripping a club executive, he is engendering team distrust. By refusing to fully support Bynum, he is breeding team insecurity.

By standing so strongly alongside Bryant, he is weakening every corner of a locker room that already fears Bryant.

When Bryant whines, he is only hurting himself.

When Jackson whines, he hurts everyone.

Think it will be harder to make a fair deal for Jermaine O'Neal, now that the head coach is publicly forcing ownership's hand?

Think it will be harder to coach Bynum, now that the head coach has intimated Bynum won't be ready in time to help Bryant win a title?

Oh, and during a summer when patriarch Jerry Buss was torched by his best player and later pleaded guilty to drunk driving, does it really help alleviate the perception of family chaos when his daughter's boyfriend publicly embarrasses one of his sons?

I never thought I would say this about a man who I still feel wrongly traded Shaquille O'Neal and backed Bryant and brought much of this upon himself.

But Jerry Buss, who has given this town many more glorious springs than nasty summers, deserves better.

He deserves for Mitch Kupchak to finally realize he should trade Bynum and Lamar Odom for Jermaine O'Neal and a chance to win now.

He deserves for Kobe Bryant to realize he should just keep his mouth shut about all that.

More than anything, he deserves to know that Phil Jackson will settle his superstar instead of inciting him, and publicly support his ownership instead of undercutting it.

Jerry Buss needs to know that the Hall of Fame's newest coach will once again act like, you know, a coach.
Knicks, Bulls to bid on Kobe... why???

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