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Bippity10
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8/13/2007  12:56 PM
As far as what the writer from Cleveland said. Who gives a shiot? All the team has to do is win, and none of this stuff matters
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8/13/2007  1:12 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

As far as what the writer from Cleveland said. Who gives a shiot? All the team has to do is win, and none of this stuff matters
This goes without saying. I'm ripping him and writers like him that use twisted logic only when it comes to the Knicks. He was shown to be a hypocrite, by using his own logic against him. You can't use criteria for the team you like and then disregard that same criteria for a team you have obvious disdain for. Be objective and professional is what i'm saying.
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8/13/2007  1:18 PM
Marbury (everything, a few months doesn't change things), Jamal (defense shot selection, doesn't run the offense holds the ball too long, is a good guy though), Nate (everything to date), Curry (passing, defense, conditioning), Zach are all considered me first players......Steve Francis, Jalen Rose, etc, Snacks can be included since he puts himself above the team as far as getting into shape

To refute that claim, which you will do because you always deflect the question is something you just can't do.

If you think this team left it on the floor every game last season you weren't watching as we came out sluggish and got outworked.

Earl your lack of any real point is tiring, being positive all the time about a team that hasn't hit 34 games the past three years and pretending the team is something it isn't is foolish.

I simply said what everyone around the league thinks of the knicks that they are overpaid punks that simply don't care enough to play as a unit.....

Team Players: Collins, Lee, Q, Balkman, Rose (from last years roster)
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8/13/2007  1:26 PM
The Me First Five

MS - you should just stop before you dig a deeper Black hole

"everyone around the league thinks of the knicks that they are overpaid punks that simply don't care enough to play as a unit..."

MS - "everyone around the league " like who exactly?

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8/13/2007  1:32 PM
Again you can't refute anything i say so you pose a questions, know your team before you make outlandish claims.

We can barely get on national TV, and we are in the biggest market in the world, i think that says a lot about the state of Knicks basketball when you can go an entire year without appearing on ABC, ESPN or TNT.

But the team reputation around the league is great

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8/13/2007  1:41 PM
Reputation, schmeputation

we don't need no steenkin' national television to improve on the number of wins

As the Knicks cause you permanent angst and despair, why not go root for the Boston Celtics?

I have no ouotlandish claims to make other than allowing the new roster to play ball.

MS - you may now resume your regularly scheduled Knicks-bash festival
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8/13/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by misterearl:

"me first" selfish players?

name them

this is ridiculous. i remember a similar debate i had with nixluva. if you guys can't tell which players have some me-first, selfish, ballhog, black hole tag, you need to pay better attention. whether or not it's deserved or true, and whether or not it has any impact on the team this year, and whether or not i like the guy as a player, the reputation is there. dudes like steph, jamal, zach, eddy - probably four fifths of our starting lineup and definitely big minutes guys - have those questions dogging them. i hope that they play like we all want, and if they don't, that our young guys get the fair shot. but the burden of proof is on these players and this organization - and i'm talking wins, not popularity.
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8/13/2007  2:04 PM

Bottom line is our cap is TWICE the level and nobody was even close.

55 Wins in two seasons and your payroll is a national joke.

Your leader is on a "POP" (pay one price, ride all day!) for the BiPolarCoaster, your franchise player is not an allstar, and you have 5 coaches in 3.5 years.

If those are all anyone knows, then your gonna get dissed. And we certainly deserved it!

It sucks, but what ya gonna do!
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8/13/2007  2:17 PM
Posted by Nalod:


Bottom line is our cap is TWICE the level and nobody was even close.

55 Wins in two seasons and your payroll is a national joke.

Your leader is on a "POP" (pay one price, ride all day!) for the BiPolarCoaster, your franchise player is not an allstar, and you have 5 coaches in 3.5 years.

If those are all anyone knows, then your gonna get dissed. And we certainly deserved it!

It sucks, but what ya gonna do!

Agreed, people seem to want the media to applaud our moral victories like being the best "33 win team of all time". All we have to do is win. I personally could care less what any writer has to say because I know we will be negatively judged(fairly or unfairly) until we start winning. That's life. Deal with it.
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8/13/2007  3:12 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Nalod:


Bottom line is our cap is TWICE the level and nobody was even close.

55 Wins in two seasons and your payroll is a national joke.

Your leader is on a "POP" (pay one price, ride all day!) for the BiPolarCoaster, your franchise player is not an allstar, and you have 5 coaches in 3.5 years.

If those are all anyone knows, then your gonna get dissed. And we certainly deserved it!

It sucks, but what ya gonna do!

Agreed, people seem to want the media to applaud our moral victories like being the best "33 win team of all time". All we have to do is win. I personally could care less what any writer has to say because I know we will be negatively judged(fairly or unfairly) until we start winning. That's life. Deal with it.

What does that cap have to do with the product that is placed on the floor? The cap gonna suit up and play?

The focus of this article was the prospects for the '07-'08 year, not the a dollars-to-wins financial ratio analysis. Those are mutually exclusive. The Knicks were beset by injuries down the stretch, have added new pieces, and have young players on the roster that are improving --- is it that much to ask to talk about those things, rather than the popularity level of Isiah?

Other teams have had just as poor of a record over the past few years, yet they were given the benefit of the doubt, in this article, when it came to this season upcoming. Other teams have just as many question marks, yet they were given the benefit of the doubt in this article (the writer even went so far as to include Yi as a plus for the Bucks, when so far that pick has been an unmitigated disaster).

We "deserve" it --- Weak, but ok --- well, by that same token a paid writer should be called out for an article riddled with faulty logic and nonobjective thought-free analysis that resulted in a column that doesnt "deserve" the designation of toilet paper. Points which Nixluva and Earl have already astutely pointed out.

If you think that winning will finally earn us respect from the media types, then you're a fool. When the Knicks won the lottery to secure the services of Ewing, we cheated. When the Knicks won in the '90s it was because we we played thug ball. When the Yankees won in the late '90s it was because we were taking advantage of the lack of a salary cap (completely dismissing the fact that most small market owners sat on their billions, other teams were spending a comparable amount, and the core of those Yankees came through the system)

Bias against New York from the south/midwest stems from the fact that New York is a big, gluttonous, multi-cultural city (damn Yankees!) not the shot selection of Jamal Crawford. Bias from the L.A stems from the fact that New York is considered the 'biggest' city in the world, not the conditioning of Eddy Curry. I wish some around here didnt have tunnel vision when it came to their skewed opinions.

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8/13/2007  3:20 PM
Okay how about this SEbstar. IF we win a title and still the media disrespects us, do you care? What difference does some article by some writer in Cleveland make to us? If the team wins 45 games are any of us going to this guys house to talk trash to him? NO, he will long be forgotten. Just win on the flooor, why anyone cares about anything else I'm not sure I understand.

If we win 45 games what does it matter what this guy said. If we win in the first round what does it matter what this guy says. If we make it to the finals what does it matter...............

I guess I just don't understand why you guys get so worked up over every little negative comment. None of this crizzap matters.
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8/13/2007  3:53 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Okay how about this SEbstar. IF we win a title and still the media disrespects us, do you care? What difference does some article by some writer in Cleveland make to us? If the team wins 45 games are any of us going to this guys house to talk trash to him? NO, he will long be forgotten. Just win on the flooor, why anyone cares about anything else I'm not sure I understand.

If we win 45 games what does it matter what this guy said. If we win in the first round what does it matter what this guy says. If we make it to the finals what does it matter...............

I guess I just don't understand why you guys get so worked up over every little negative comment. None of this crizzap matters.

Its August duke, aint nuttin' else to talk about on an NBA message board.

If you, I, or anyone else for that matter created a head-spinningly biased, logic-free post then he or she, would, and, should get called on it...so why not this clown?

I'm with you on your general tone --- this season should be about wins and losses and not excuses. Not dismissing that at all. But until tip off, we shouldn't be subjected to columns like the aforementioned one and come away with the conclusion that we "deserve" it. A few losing seasons is not going to chip away at my pride as a Knicks fan.
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8/13/2007  4:57 PM
When this team played last season, they played hard and they played to win. Also, there wasn't a lot of selfish me first play. Curry isn't a good passer, but he looked to pass the ball and did improve his passing somewhat. Marbury changed his game and looked more to play d and get his teammates the ball. When you have a bad rep, it takes time to lose that rep, even after you change your attitude. But this team played hard last season and did not play selfish basketball.
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8/13/2007  5:10 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Bippity10:

Okay how about this SEbstar. IF we win a title and still the media disrespects us, do you care? What difference does some article by some writer in Cleveland make to us? If the team wins 45 games are any of us going to this guys house to talk trash to him? NO, he will long be forgotten. Just win on the flooor, why anyone cares about anything else I'm not sure I understand.

If we win 45 games what does it matter what this guy said. If we win in the first round what does it matter what this guy says. If we make it to the finals what does it matter...............

I guess I just don't understand why you guys get so worked up over every little negative comment. None of this crizzap matters.

Its August duke, aint nuttin' else to talk about on an NBA message board.

If you, I, or anyone else for that matter created a head-spinningly biased, logic-free post then he or she, would, and, should get called on it...so why not this clown?

I'm with you on your general tone --- this season should be about wins and losses and not excuses. Not dismissing that at all. But until tip off, we shouldn't be subjected to columns like the aforementioned one and come away with the conclusion that we "deserve" it. A few losing seasons is not going to chip away at my pride as a Knicks fan.

Guy, people were getting worked up over this stuff in the middle of March last year. They always get bent out of shape about this stuff no matter what else there is to talk about.
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8/13/2007  5:54 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Bippity10:

Okay how about this SEbstar. IF we win a title and still the media disrespects us, do you care? What difference does some article by some writer in Cleveland make to us? If the team wins 45 games are any of us going to this guys house to talk trash to him? NO, he will long be forgotten. Just win on the flooor, why anyone cares about anything else I'm not sure I understand.

If we win 45 games what does it matter what this guy said. If we win in the first round what does it matter what this guy says. If we make it to the finals what does it matter...............

I guess I just don't understand why you guys get so worked up over every little negative comment. None of this crizzap matters.

Its August duke, aint nuttin' else to talk about on an NBA message board.

If you, I, or anyone else for that matter created a head-spinningly biased, logic-free post then he or she, would, and, should get called on it...so why not this clown?

I'm with you on your general tone --- this season should be about wins and losses and not excuses. Not dismissing that at all. But until tip off, we shouldn't be subjected to columns like the aforementioned one and come away with the conclusion that we "deserve" it. A few losing seasons is not going to chip away at my pride as a Knicks fan.

Guy, people were getting worked up over this stuff in the middle of March last year. They always get bent out of shape about this stuff no matter what else there is to talk about.

What does this reply mean?? I have no clue. I guess I'll just take this as an admission that those who were critical of the article in question had a valid point --- they just should have kept it to themselves for whatever reason.
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8/13/2007  7:30 PM
Hey it's real simple. This writer was trying to make a case for the Cavs and in doing so he gave his synopsis of the chances of the rest of the East. My problem isn't that he didn't like our chances. He's free to feel so, but his rationale just didn't make any sense. You can't be a hypocrite and biased like that and not expect to take some criticism.

I'm just a fan and even I expect that someone will call me out on something I write if it's flawed reasoning. People challenge me all the time. This guy just didn't make any sense.
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8/13/2007  8:40 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Bippity10:

Okay how about this SEbstar. IF we win a title and still the media disrespects us, do you care? What difference does some article by some writer in Cleveland make to us? If the team wins 45 games are any of us going to this guys house to talk trash to him? NO, he will long be forgotten. Just win on the flooor, why anyone cares about anything else I'm not sure I understand.

If we win 45 games what does it matter what this guy said. If we win in the first round what does it matter what this guy says. If we make it to the finals what does it matter...............

I guess I just don't understand why you guys get so worked up over every little negative comment. None of this crizzap matters.

Its August duke, aint nuttin' else to talk about on an NBA message board.

If you, I, or anyone else for that matter created a head-spinningly biased, logic-free post then he or she, would, and, should get called on it...so why not this clown?

I'm with you on your general tone --- this season should be about wins and losses and not excuses. Not dismissing that at all. But until tip off, we shouldn't be subjected to columns like the aforementioned one and come away with the conclusion that we "deserve" it. A few losing seasons is not going to chip away at my pride as a Knicks fan.

Guy, people were getting worked up over this stuff in the middle of March last year. They always get bent out of shape about this stuff no matter what else there is to talk about.

What does this reply mean?? I have no clue. I guess I'll just take this as an admission that those who were critical of the article in question had a valid point --- they just should have kept it to themselves for whatever reason.

Good point, I guess we can keep it that way. Anytime you don't understand a point I'm making, don't ask me to clarify just say that it's an admission that you are correct. It will keep us from these painful conversations that for some reason we have been having lately. It's a strong strategy that you've successfully performed on two posts today.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 13-08-2007 8:42 PM]
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8/14/2007  7:37 AM
this just in....

Knicks are a 33 win team
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8/14/2007  1:15 PM
Posted by fishmike:

this just in....

Knicks are a 33 win team

That was last season, which is now over. You don't know what this team is this year, but we can surmise that it is more likely to be better than the same or worse this coming season.
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8/14/2007  1:21 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by fishmike:

this just in....

Knicks are a 33 win team

That was last season, which is now over. You don't know what this team is this year, but we can surmise that it is more likely to be better than the same or worse this coming season.


no we can't. isiah's knicks have delivered letdown after letdown after letdown. if you wish to surmise help yourself, but there's no basis for saying "we."
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