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Vmart
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7/20/2007  8:57 PM
If the FBI did an investigation on fixing games then David Stern has to be on the top of the list because lets face it I think everything in the NBA is a fix job. Its border line Wrestling. They choose their champions in the NBA. I know a lot of guys here don't want to think that way about the league but before you guys say anything its a business first it not a non-profit institution. To many times I felt that teams were blocked from reaching certain goals whether it was refs or it was just straight up league orders to get the right star into the spot light. I'm glad a a ref was found out and the truth will be reveal soon enough about other atrocities committed by the NBA.

[Edited by - Vmart on 07-20-2007 8:57 PM]

[Edited by - Vmart on 07-20-2007 8:59 PM]
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7/20/2007  9:07 PM
Posted by Vmart:

If the FBI did an investigation on fixing games then David Stern has to be on the top of the list because lets face it I think everything in the NBA is a fix job. Its border line Wrestling. They choose their champions in the NBA. I know a lot of guys here don't want to think that way about the league but before you guys say anything its a business first it not a non-profit institution. To many times I felt that teams were blocked from reaching certain goals whether it was refs or it was just straight up league orders to get the right star into the spot light. I'm glad a a ref was found out and the truth will be reveal soon enough about other atrocities committed by the NBA.

[Edited by - Vmart on 07-20-2007 8:57 PM]

[Edited by - Vmart on 07-20-2007 8:59 PM]

In that case, why favor a boring team like the Spurs over an exciting team like the Suns? If they were going to fix games or pick champs -- wouldn't they at least pick marketable teams?
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7/20/2007  9:08 PM
Posted by Vmart:

If the FBI did an investigation on fixing games then David Stern has to be on the top of the list because lets face it I think everything in the NBA is a fix job. Its border line Wrestling. They choose their champions in the NBA. I know a lot of guys here don't want to think that way about the league but before you guys say anything its a business first it not a non-profit institution. To many times I felt that teams were blocked from reaching certain goals whether it was refs or it was just straight up league orders to get the right star into the spot light. I'm glad a a ref was found out and the truth will be reveal soon enough about other atrocities committed by the NBA.

[Edited by - Vmart on 07-20-2007 8:57 PM]

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7/20/2007  9:09 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by Vmart:

If the FBI did an investigation on fixing games then David Stern has to be on the top of the list because lets face it I think everything in the NBA is a fix job. Its border line Wrestling. They choose their champions in the NBA. I know a lot of guys here don't want to think that way about the league but before you guys say anything its a business first it not a non-profit institution. To many times I felt that teams were blocked from reaching certain goals whether it was refs or it was just straight up league orders to get the right star into the spot light. I'm glad a a ref was found out and the truth will be reveal soon enough about other atrocities committed by the NBA.

[Edited by - Vmart on 07-20-2007 8:57 PM]

[Edited by - Vmart on 07-20-2007 8:59 PM]

In that case, why favor a boring team like the Spurs over an exciting team like the Suns? If they were going to fix games or pick champs -- wouldn't they at least pick marketable teams?

Not if the mob was betting on Phoenix losing duh?

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7/20/2007  9:19 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by Vmart:

If the FBI did an investigation on fixing games then David Stern has to be on the top of the list because lets face it I think everything in the NBA is a fix job. Its border line Wrestling. They choose their champions in the NBA. I know a lot of guys here don't want to think that way about the league but before you guys say anything its a business first it not a non-profit institution. To many times I felt that teams were blocked from reaching certain goals whether it was refs or it was just straight up league orders to get the right star into the spot light. I'm glad a a ref was found out and the truth will be reveal soon enough about other atrocities committed by the NBA.

[Edited by - Vmart on 07-20-2007 8:57 PM]

[Edited by - Vmart on 07-20-2007 8:59 PM]

In that case, why favor a boring team like the Spurs over an exciting team like the Suns? If they were going to fix games or pick champs -- wouldn't they at least pick marketable teams?

I'm gonna tell it like it is. Yes the Spurs shouldn't have been there and the Suns should have but the NBA expands to television networks too. ANd the biggest story about the finals and this years playoffs was nothing but a desperate housewife getting married to a player in the finals. ABC and the NBA manipulated that thinking rating galore was going to be the case but it backfired on their behinds.

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7/20/2007  9:35 PM
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Not if the mob was betting on Phoenix losing duh?

Why would the mob bet on the Spurs? The return on the bet would be better if you put money on the underdog.
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7/20/2007  9:39 PM
I always thought the NBA were trying to fix the Houston Rockets vs the Suns playoff series back in the days. The refs would give Hakeem like 5 fouls out of no where and because Hakeem was so skilled he would not foul out.
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7/20/2007  9:39 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by playa2:


Not if the mob was betting on Phoenix losing duh?

Why would the mob bet on the Spurs? The return on the bet would be better if you put money on the underdog.

Not when you know they are gonna lose, many people were betting that this was phoenix and Dallas yr am I right. Fix bet would go against the grain and get paid.

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7/20/2007  10:29 PM
It's obvious the whole thing is fixed because the Knicks haven't won the championship since the early 70's.
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7/21/2007  12:44 AM
I am not one of the people that believes that the NBA front office fixes games but this thing with Donaghy does make you question whether other organizations have been controlling the NBA for years. Simply put, this is bigger than "the Brawl" and may even be bigger than the drug problems the NBA had in the eighties. If fans cannot trust that the refs are calling the games fairly, then why watch the games. The real problem is that so many calls are made and so many calls could be made in a game, that it is easy for any ref to affect the outcome of a game.

Hopefully, he is the only guy. If there were other refs, I think the NBA would instantly lose a significant number of fans who cannot trust wht they are watching. Basketball is a sport. It is not wrestling. I want the outcomes to be determined by the players. As a fan of the NBA for a longtime, this is bad and leaves me feeling really disappointed.
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7/21/2007  9:51 AM
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Hey lets face it. We all knew that the Miami Heat and Dallas Mavs championship games were fixed. They kissed Dwayne Wades Butt and if a Dallas Player breathed on Wade they called a foul. It was the worst playoff cheating refs games since Michael Jordev vs the Knicks when they failed to make the call for Charles Smith. Look the Knicks back then had some championship teams even when Jordan was playing but Jordan always got the calls.

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7/22/2007  9:48 PM
Papabear the only way a person didn't see the miami vs dallas finals fixed is if you had money on the heat.
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7/23/2007  6:30 AM
Donaghy was said to have death threats and has asked for police protection.

I don't think this is a isolated incident, IMHO more refs are involved.

The Daily News reported Sunday, citing unidentified law enforcement sources, that Donaghy will cooperate with authorities and possibly name other officials and players involved in the betting scandal.



[Edited by - playa2 on 23-07-2007 06:44]
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7/23/2007  6:54 AM
Another burning question is why haven't we heard from players yet.

Shouldn't reporters be running to interview guys like rasheed wallace, ron artest, dennis rodman etc....

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July 23, 2007 -- The allegedly dirty NBA referee who's set to sing in a mob point-shaving scandal sought police protection yesterday - after receiving threats that he could be whacked, cops said.

Three Manatee County Sheriff's squad cars screeched up to the Bradenton, Fla., home of terrified former NBA official Tim Donaghy to investigate menacing telephone calls against him.

"Our concern is for his safety and his family's safety," said Sheriff's Lt. Robert Mealy. "We are definitely going to share any information we get with the FBI."

The rogue ref's family is even urging him to enter the federal witness-protection program, one friend said.

"They think he will be killed if he goes to prison, or even if he doesn't, just because he's probably talking, cooperating, and that's ratting on the mob," the pal said. "I don't think [the Mafia] would take that very well.

"[Relatives] are very concerned for his safety," the friend added. "I think they knew something serious was going on, but not like this, not this big, whole life-or-death issue with the Mafia. I mean, it's the Gambinos."

Mealy declined to reveal more details of the threats against Donaghy, who is being investigated by federal authorities for allegedly working with mobsters tied to the Gambino crime family to fix the scores of NBA games to pay off his gambling debts.

The disgraced ref is said to be set to spill all - threatening to bring down anyone and everyone with him, sources said. He'll be naming names of other refs, coaches, players and game "validators," who sit unobtrusively in the stands to review calls on the court, the source said.

"There are other allegations of gambling that the FBI will run down," based on Donaghy's talk so far, one source said.

"Everybody's pointing a finger at everyone else."

Donaghy's name came to the attention of feds during wiretap probes of Gambino mobsters.

Yesterday, "he received some threatening phone calls, and he wanted them documented," Mealy said. "I know Mr. Donaghy was concerned."

Donaghy, 40, resigned from the NBA shortly after this past season amid then-undisclosed allegations that he bet on games he officiated.

Feds have not yet revealed which games they are probing.

Several friends in Cape May, N.J., where his parents summer, said Donaghy's co-workers grew suspicious of his behavior about three years ago, when he would offer to trade free tickets to certain games with some refs in exchange for others - and then suddenly renege.

"He just started screwing them," one friend said. "Tickets started going missing, misplaced . . . It was no longer, 'Hey, Tim's kind of an a- - hole.' It became, 'Tim is f- - - ing with the NBA.' And that's when they stopped trusting him completely."

Retired dentist John Minutella of West Chester, Pa., where Donaghy grew up and worked at a golf course, recounted a horrific prank Donaghy pulled on him 10 years ago, when the embattled ref put a dead bird in his golf bag. Minutella found the maggot-infested carcass 24 hours later.

"Nobody wanted to play golf with him," said Minutella, 64. " I can't say one nice thing about him. I believe this guy was almost soulless."

Additional reporting by David K. Li and Stefanie Cohen in New York and Tom Liddy in West Chester, Pa.


[Edited by - playa2 on 23-07-2007 06:57]
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7/23/2007  7:57 AM
Posted by playa2:

Another burning question is why haven't we heard from players yet.

Shouldn't reporters be running to interview guys like rasheed wallace, ron artest, dennis rodman etc....

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July 23, 2007 -- The allegedly dirty NBA referee who's set to sing in a mob point-shaving scandal sought police protection yesterday - after receiving threats that he could be whacked, cops said.

Three Manatee County Sheriff's squad cars screeched up to the Bradenton, Fla., home of terrified former NBA official Tim Donaghy to investigate menacing telephone calls against him.

"Our concern is for his safety and his family's safety," said Sheriff's Lt. Robert Mealy. "We are definitely going to share any information we get with the FBI."

The rogue ref's family is even urging him to enter the federal witness-protection program, one friend said.

"They think he will be killed if he goes to prison, or even if he doesn't, just because he's probably talking, cooperating, and that's ratting on the mob," the pal said. "I don't think [the Mafia] would take that very well.

"[Relatives] are very concerned for his safety," the friend added. "I think they knew something serious was going on, but not like this, not this big, whole life-or-death issue with the Mafia. I mean, it's the Gambinos."

Mealy declined to reveal more details of the threats against Donaghy, who is being investigated by federal authorities for allegedly working with mobsters tied to the Gambino crime family to fix the scores of NBA games to pay off his gambling debts.

The disgraced ref is said to be set to spill all - threatening to bring down anyone and everyone with him, sources said. He'll be naming names of other refs, coaches, players and game "validators," who sit unobtrusively in the stands to review calls on the court, the source said.

"There are other allegations of gambling that the FBI will run down," based on Donaghy's talk so far, one source said.

"Everybody's pointing a finger at everyone else."

Donaghy's name came to the attention of feds during wiretap probes of Gambino mobsters.

Yesterday, "he received some threatening phone calls, and he wanted them documented," Mealy said. "I know Mr. Donaghy was concerned."

Donaghy, 40, resigned from the NBA shortly after this past season amid then-undisclosed allegations that he bet on games he officiated.

Feds have not yet revealed which games they are probing.

Several friends in Cape May, N.J., where his parents summer, said Donaghy's co-workers grew suspicious of his behavior about three years ago, when he would offer to trade free tickets to certain games with some refs in exchange for others - and then suddenly renege.

"He just started screwing them," one friend said. "Tickets started going missing, misplaced . . . It was no longer, 'Hey, Tim's kind of an a- - hole.' It became, 'Tim is f- - - ing with the NBA.' And that's when they stopped trusting him completely."

Retired dentist John Minutella of West Chester, Pa., where Donaghy grew up and worked at a golf course, recounted a horrific prank Donaghy pulled on him 10 years ago, when the embattled ref put a dead bird in his golf bag. Minutella found the maggot-infested carcass 24 hours later.

"Nobody wanted to play golf with him," said Minutella, 64. " I can't say one nice thing about him. I believe this guy was almost soulless."

Additional reporting by David K. Li and Stefanie Cohen in New York and Tom Liddy in West Chester, Pa.


[Edited by - playa2 on 23-07-2007 06:57]

Damn. This guy should get whacked. What an a-hole.
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7/23/2007  8:14 AM
It's just an ugly case. When he starts naming names this thing is gonna blow up big time.
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7/23/2007  8:23 AM
Posted by VDesai:

It's just an ugly case. When he starts naming names this thing is gonna blow up big time.


If he names other NBA refs, the league will be in serious trouble. No one will want to watch the games. It will be 3-4 years before it recovers, and by then, European basketball might start to be considered the best in the world.


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7/23/2007  8:26 AM
I have no doubt that other refs were involved. Its never just one. And if coaches and players were involved too? This is gonna be really ugly.
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7/23/2007  2:56 PM
I heard on the radio that one of the games that were fixed was the Knicks-Miami game. The one were there were like 34-36 fouls called + 2 techs on Pat Riley and an assistant. The bet was that the knicks had to win by 4-6 pts...
Whats more pathetic...the fact that it was staged...or the fact we needed 36 fouls called for us to win??
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Posted by MinsHeartsReezy:

I heard on the radio that one of the games that were fixed was the Knicks-Miami game. The one were there were like 34-36 fouls called + 2 techs on Pat Riley and an assistant. The bet was that the knicks had to win by 4-6 pts...
Whats more pathetic...the fact that it was staged...or the fact we needed 36 fouls called for us to win??

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