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Solace
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7/17/2007  12:48 PM
This is a bad practice that needs to be handled... of players forcing a trade or forcing a team not to draft them upfront. It does suck for the league when that happens. That being said, it's not the first time and it won't be the last. Since this is a peculiar situation, if I were the commissioner, I would advise the Bucks to cooperate and trade Yi... and possibly offer them compensation for cooperating, while I worked behind the scenes to try to ensure that two or three years down the lines when players drafted try to pull this stuff that there are penalities on the player for doing so.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 17 2007 12:49 PM]
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7/17/2007  12:54 PM
Posted by TMS:
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I say we ban this clown from the NBA. Since when do players who never played a second in a single regular season game in the NBA get a chance to be choosy about where they belong, and how they should have their marketability carried out ? Give me a break, bust or not, this guy is already displaying a very poor attitude, a terrible work ethic. This is coming from someone who had a terrible summer league too.

Send this potential bust back to China, and ban him for a season because of his ridiculous "needs". This will also give the Chinese officials a lesson on who runs basketball in the world, the NBA.


We should have banned Kobe, Francis, and Webber then right?

No, they're American. That's different. Yeah, let's send those Chinamen back to where they came from. That'll teach em!

[Edited by - TMS on 07-17-2007 12:48 PM]

Put em all on rickshaws, give em some chow mein and send the Chinamen back to the Great Wall.
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7/17/2007  12:58 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Put em all on rickshaws, give em some chow mein and send the Chinamen back to the Great Wall.

Chow mein... omg, lol.
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7/17/2007  1:00 PM
I like to set the record straight on Eli Manning. He didn't want to play for San Diego. But San Diego took him any way. Then traded him for Rivers and two other picks over two years. All three of those players became Pro-Bowlers last year. What does that say about forced trade value?
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7/17/2007  1:06 PM
Francis could have played in Europe. He had choices.

Yi's masters might not think he is ready and could be playing this game to keep him in the CBA at least until the olympics are over, and they want to force a trade.

I recall Danny Ferry coming out of college got a great deal in Europe rather than take the money Cleveland was willing to pay. When you have leverage, you hand. Imaine, Ferry the no. overall pick?

What leverage did the Chargers have with Eli? They could have called his bluff and let him sit, or try to create interest and get a good trade done. IN some respects, them might have recieved better value from the Giants than if they just kept him.

If Yi got good trade value then the Bucks should just make the trade and make everyone happy.

China and its bull**** tradepractices and lack of quality control is pissing off the american consumer big time. So while 7 foot steroid grown chinease giants are not the norm in stereotype, they come form a place that is not in the positive light these days.
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7/17/2007  1:14 PM
Posted by godot:

I like to set the record straight on Eli Manning. He didn't want to play for San Diego. But San Diego took him any way. Then traded him for Rivers and two other picks over two years. All three of those players became Pro-Bowlers last year. What does that say about forced trade value?

That's what Yi and his camp want, a forced trade yet it's pissin off a lot of Americans. They didn't mind being picked by the Bucks as long the Bucks are willing to trade him.
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Posted by Nalod:

Francis could have played in Europe. He had choices.

Yi's masters might not think he is ready and could be playing this game to keep him in the CBA at least until the olympics are over, and they want to force a trade.

I recall Danny Ferry coming out of college got a great deal in Europe rather than take the money Cleveland was willing to pay. When you have leverage, you hand. Imaine, Ferry the no. overall pick?

What leverage did the Chargers have with Eli? They could have called his bluff and let him sit, or try to create interest and get a good trade done. IN some respects, them might have recieved better value from the Giants than if they just kept him.

If Yi got good trade value then the Bucks should just make the trade and make everyone happy.

China and its bull**** tradepractices and lack of quality control is pissing off the american consumer big time. So while 7 foot steroid grown chinease giants are not the norm in stereotype, they come form a place that is not in the positive light these days.

Man, why is this turning into a racist/nationalist thing. Harris is a moron for drafting him because he already indicated that he didn't want to play there. True is right no difference with Francis and the others (don't forget KVH). The league warned him that this was the possible outcome so why should they help him out. Now the franchise is made to look foolish. As I stated it is ironic that Senator Kohl is involved with his tough free market stance. The kid has options and people are piss. Harris should just trade him already. Let me help him out. Lee and Nate and a future # 1 pick for Yi. Let's get the bidding going.
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7/17/2007  1:16 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

I say we ban this clown from the NBA. Since when do players who never played a second in a single regular season game in the NBA get a chance to be choosy about where they belong, and how they should have their marketability carried out ? Give me a break, bust or not, this guy is already displaying a very poor attitude, a terrible work ethic. This is coming from someone who had a terrible summer league too.

Send this potential bust back to China, and ban him for a season because of his ridiculous "needs". This will also give the Chinese officials a lesson on who runs basketball in the world, the NBA.


We should have banned Kobe, Francis, and Webber then right?

No, they're American. That's different. Yeah, let's send those Chinamen back to where they came from. That'll teach em!

[Edited by - TMS on 07-17-2007 12:48 PM]

Put em all on rickshaws, give em some chow mein and send the Chinamen back to the Great Wall.


I was gonna go there except flip it on the U.S. Oh my I hope people are getting the message how ridiculous the viewpoint is.
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7/17/2007  1:20 PM
Goddamn Orientals gotta learn their place... shouldn't they be building a railroad or doing some laundry someplace instead of daring to step to the NBA?
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7/17/2007  1:24 PM
Posted by Solace:

This is a bad practice that needs to be handled... of players forcing a trade or forcing a team not to draft them upfront. It does suck for the league when that happens. That being said, it's not the first time and it won't be the last. Since this is a peculiar situation, if I were the commissioner, I would advise the Bucks to cooperate and trade Yi... and possibly offer them compensation for cooperating, while I worked behind the scenes to try to ensure that two or three years down the lines when players drafted try to pull this stuff that there are penalities on the player for doing so.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 17 2007 12:49 PM]

That's a good approach. It doesn't have to be behind the scenes. Put the penalty in the collective bargaining agreement. "An ounce of prevention...."
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7/17/2007  1:36 PM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by Solace:

This is a bad practice that needs to be handled... of players forcing a trade or forcing a team not to draft them upfront. It does suck for the league when that happens. That being said, it's not the first time and it won't be the last. Since this is a peculiar situation, if I were the commissioner, I would advise the Bucks to cooperate and trade Yi... and possibly offer them compensation for cooperating, while I worked behind the scenes to try to ensure that two or three years down the lines when players drafted try to pull this stuff that there are penalities on the player for doing so.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 17 2007 12:49 PM]

That's a good approach. It doesn't have to be behind the scenes. Put the penalty in the collective bargaining agreement. "An ounce of prevention...."

I agree. Are we to expect this from every Chinaman from now on?
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7/17/2007  1:36 PM
Wow, this topic got real ugly real quick.

I probably should've elaborated (apologies that I didn't earlier). When I said I didn't buy those comments, I'm of the thought that Yi's people not wanting him to play for Milwaukee has everything to do with marketing (aka $$$) even though they say that's not the case. On the other hand, Larry Miller tried to be cute and call their bluff and he's going to end up losing him (even though he looks to be a big-time project).


And I'm on board with not liking players holding teams hostage at draft time, but this is a players' league after all. GMs really don't have much power or say or "juice" when it comes to things like this.
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7/17/2007  1:46 PM
Posted by K22:

Wow, this topic got real ugly real quick.

I probably should've elaborated (apologies that I didn't earlier). When I said I didn't buy those comments, I'm of the thought that Yi's people not wanting him to play for Milwaukee has everything to do with marketing (aka $$$) even though they say that's not the case. On the other hand, Larry Miller tried to be cute and call their bluff and he's going to end up losing him (even though he looks to be a big-time project).


And I'm on board with not liking players holding teams hostage at draft time, but this is a players' league after all. GMs really don't have much power or say or "juice" when it comes to things like this.

How is Yi holding the Bucks hostage? Are you telling me that Yi is needed so badly in Milwaukee. Yi and his camp are following the CBA. A player doesn't have to sign with NBA team if they do not want to. All he has to do is stay out of competition if the Bucks do not trade him and re-enter the draft. Hopefully the next GM drafting will have enough sense to make sure that the player actually wants to play for their team.
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7/17/2007  1:49 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by K22:

Wow, this topic got real ugly real quick.

I probably should've elaborated (apologies that I didn't earlier). When I said I didn't buy those comments, I'm of the thought that Yi's people not wanting him to play for Milwaukee has everything to do with marketing (aka $$$) even though they say that's not the case. On the other hand, Larry Miller tried to be cute and call their bluff and he's going to end up losing him (even though he looks to be a big-time project).


And I'm on board with not liking players holding teams hostage at draft time, but this is a players' league after all. GMs really don't have much power or say or "juice" when it comes to things like this.

How is Yi holding the Bucks hostage? Are you telling me that Yi is needed so badly in Milwaukee. Yi and his camp are following the CBA. A player doesn't have to sign with NBA team if they do not want to. All he has to do is stay out of competition if the Bucks do not trade him and re-enter the draft. Hopefully the next GM drafting will have enough sense to make sure that the player actually wants to play for their team.

Then when you factor Harris never got to see the guy work out and selected him off of his Dads recommendation, it's no wonder how this is turning out.

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7/17/2007  1:55 PM
How is Yi holding the Bucks hostage? Are you telling me that Yi is needed so badly in Milwaukee. Yi and his camp are following the CBA. A player doesn't have to sign with NBA team if they do not want to. All he has to do is stay out of competition if the Bucks do not trade him and re-enter the draft. Hopefully the next GM drafting will have enough sense to make sure that the player actually wants to play for their team.

You're right. He didn't and I should've made note of that. I was more referring to the other names mentioned.
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Then when you factor Harris never got to see the guy work out and selected him off of his Dads recommendation, it's no wonder how this is turning out.

THIS I didn't know. That's not even calling a bluff - that's just plain stupid.

[Edited by - K22 on 07-17-2007 1:57 PM]
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7/17/2007  2:01 PM
Yi & his camp gave MIL all the warnings to try & prevent this from happening... MIL chose to play hardball, so Yi's camp is returning the favor... it's business, nothing more, nothing less.

now it's up to MIL to try & get some value for him in a trade, because there's no way they are in any position of power on this one... i'm sorry to break that news to you guys who seem to think it's the NBA that's doing Yi a favor by "allowing" him to play here while profiting boatloads from marketing their game to all those Chinamen.
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7/17/2007  2:01 PM
Posted by K22:
How is Yi holding the Bucks hostage? Are you telling me that Yi is needed so badly in Milwaukee. Yi and his camp are following the CBA. A player doesn't have to sign with NBA team if they do not want to. All he has to do is stay out of competition if the Bucks do not trade him and re-enter the draft. Hopefully the next GM drafting will have enough sense to make sure that the player actually wants to play for their team.

You're right. He didn't and I should've made note of that. I was more referring to the other names mentioned.
Posted by TrueBlue:

Then when you factor Harris never got to see the guy work out and selected him off of his Dads recommendation, it's no wonder how this is turning out.

THIS I didn't know. That's not even calling a bluff - that's just plain stupid.

[Edited by - K22 on 07-17-2007 1:57 PM]

They requested a private workout before the draft and Yi's camp said AWWWWWWW HELL NO! What do the Bucks do, draft him anyway. On draft night they even said Harris had limited video footage of him. I'm beginning to think Harris has about 20% power while the rest lies in Senator Kohl's hand. The guy needs to sell the team like he almost did 4yrs ago and get out of the league.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-17-2007 1:05 PM]
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7/17/2007  2:04 PM
Posted by TMS:

Yi & his camp gave MIL all the warnings to try & prevent this from happening... MIL chose to play hardball, so Yi's camp is returning the favor... it's business, nothing more, nothing less.

now it's up to MIL to try & get some value for him in a trade, because there's no way they are in any position of power on this one... i'm sorry to break that news to you guys who seem to think it's the NBA that's doing Yi a favor by "allowing" him to play here while profiting boatloads from marketing their game to all those Chinamen.


Yeah if it was just a GOOD RIDDANCE situation Stern wouldn't be currently involved. He probably has bleeding ulcers over this situation.
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7/17/2007  2:06 PM
Wasn't there an offer on the table from Chris Mullin to give up Biedrins and a future pick for him? I'd take it if it's still on the table.
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Posted by K22:

Wasn't there an offer on the table from Chris Mullin to give up Biedrins and a future pick for him? I'd take it if it's still on the table.

if that was the offer, that's about as good an offer as MIL is going to get... that offer may not be on the table now that Yi came out with this though... MIL will probably end up accepting a lesser offer now... serves them right if they passed on that one from Mullin.
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