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7/17/2007  5:36 PM
Answer this... Why NOT recognize these things?

Are you really that biased that you've lost all objectivity?

You don't like him. OK. now shut up because he has contributed 10X what you've done in your life.
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7/17/2007  5:37 PM
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Donate ALL the profits and it's a charitable endeavor.

Donate a small percentage of profits and it's a tax break.

Thanks for the definition of Charity, Isles, too bad its unmitigated BS.

Besides the fact that if several million dollars are actually a small percentage of Marbury's profits, he really does deserve a round of applause.
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7/17/2007  5:44 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Bip, I've always appreciated your opinions and enjoyed your posts. I also hope to one day earn an invite to one of your exclusive parties. When you say that I've crossed a line, I legitimately go over what I've posted and look to see if I have indeed crossed a line.

I admit that I've been insulting, at times perhaps very. But I don't think it's been any greater than the continued insulting of Knicks fans intelligence that Marbury and MSG have been guilty for years now. Between Marbury's handlers ghostwriting this blog and passing it off as Marbury's and how Marbury seems to have some kind of God complex, confusing business with actual charity work, I find it to be incredibly insulting.

It's insulting to the hundreds of thousands of people who donate their time, energy and hard earned money to causes, without getting or expecting any accolades or earning a single cent in profit. Call it what it is, a business venture that targets low income families. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But when he gets into the whole "movement" crap, it gets insulting and I have no regrets for being as insulting back.

As for my comment about Marbury being on more coke than Tony Montana, it sure makes more sense than "his" lame "people don't like it when I smile" BS.

Bip, thanks again for your constructive criticism, no matter how far off base it is.

In a way it is a movement to get more athletes and celebrities to start marketing their items to lower income families. He is legitimately trying to start a movement, no? I'm 100% in agreeement with you about the whole charity aspect of it. I agree when you make fun of people that think it's charity. Just not sure I see the problem with the whole "movement" aspect of it. I really do hope he is able to get more athletes to start marketing low cost items to the poor. And if more athletes/celebrities do start doing this, would it then be considered a "movement"?

As for the cocaine thing. I personally thought the interview was bizarre. The man should not be in front of a camera IMO. He should just quietly sell his sneakers and let someone else be the spokesperson. But the cocaine comment seemed over the top. Dude, if they find out he is on cocaine, you and I will race to see who can get to his blog first. But until then............
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7/17/2007  5:46 PM
By the way Isles, right now I am auditioning people for the next shindig. YOu have a good chance of making the guest list. I'll let you know.
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7/17/2007  5:50 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:

While I do understand being annoyed by the fact that this is called charity, I don't understand why such a good thing is being turned into something bad.


Can someone please document where anyone has made this into "something bad"?

People are poking fun at the hype of the "movement", the hubris that surrounds Marbury's aspect of it (in contrast to, say, Steve and Barry themselves), and the gullibility of so many that lap up every aspect of the PR.

Exaggerating that into people "turning this into something bad" is an unworthy deflection of a worthwhile discussion.

So what you are saying is that when we discuss Marbury's shoes the brainiacs among us are actually making fun of the foolish fans for falling for the "charity" PR. And that these posts never deviate into attacks on Marbs, his career, his intellect etc. Good one.

No bip, I asked for those who insist that people are turning his shoe gig into "something bad" to evidence it, and until they do it's a diversion from the actual discussion at hand. It's called a straw man.

How about this trueBlue I beleive it happens often. You beleive it never happens. Let's leave it at that.

hey Bobo, Did you just call me TrueBlue?

I have never heard anyone call the actual shoes and the cost of the shoes a bad thing.

Thank you, I rest my case.
But I have heard the campaign, Marbs, the length of time he spends on the campaign attacked on a regular basis. To me it's agenda driven. To you it's only about the charity aspect. I guess we can leave it at that as well.

I don't think it's only about the charity aspect, it's just that the grounds that Marbury is attacked on preceded the shoe gig and relate to him as a person and as a Knick. Yeah, coming into camp out of shape and calling basketball a hobby is a criticism of Marbury and a legitimate one IMO, but it's not because of the shoes, it's because of Marbury, as seen through the shoe gig.

You seem to, like many others, confuse legitimate complaints about Marbury as a knick, a teammate, a PG, a "leader" and a "world change" for criticism of his shoes. And while doing so criticize him often on the very same grounds.

how about instead of you and Eny and Briggs and TKF having these little chats about loosely referenced other posters while conjuring up semi-fictional unquoted material, you just quote the passages you feel are unjust and deal with them directly? I suspect if the material were as unjust as you say you'd do just that, instead we play shootout with the straw man.
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7/17/2007  5:58 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by islesfan:

Bip, I've always appreciated your opinions and enjoyed your posts. I also hope to one day earn an invite to one of your exclusive parties. When you say that I've crossed a line, I legitimately go over what I've posted and look to see if I have indeed crossed a line.

I admit that I've been insulting, at times perhaps very. But I don't think it's been any greater than the continued insulting of Knicks fans intelligence that Marbury and MSG have been guilty for years now. Between Marbury's handlers ghostwriting this blog and passing it off as Marbury's and how Marbury seems to have some kind of God complex, confusing business with actual charity work, I find it to be incredibly insulting.

It's insulting to the hundreds of thousands of people who donate their time, energy and hard earned money to causes, without getting or expecting any accolades or earning a single cent in profit. Call it what it is, a business venture that targets low income families. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But when he gets into the whole "movement" crap, it gets insulting and I have no regrets for being as insulting back.

As for my comment about Marbury being on more coke than Tony Montana, it sure makes more sense than "his" lame "people don't like it when I smile" BS.

Bip, thanks again for your constructive criticism, no matter how far off base it is.

In a way it is a movement to get more athletes and celebrities to start marketing their items to lower income families. He is legitimately trying to start a movement, no? I'm 100% in agreeement with you about the whole charity aspect of it. I agree when you make fun of people that think it's charity. Just not sure I see the problem with the whole "movement" aspect of it. I really do hope he is able to get more athletes to start marketing low cost items to the poor. And if more athletes/celebrities do start doing this, would it then be considered a "movement"?

As for the cocaine thing. I personally thought the interview was bizarre. The man should not be in front of a camera IMO. He should just quietly sell his sneakers and let someone else be the spokesperson. But the cocaine comment seemed over the top. Dude, if they find out he is on cocaine, you and I will race to see who can get to his blog first. But until then............

Bip, is this "movement" to get more athletes and celebrities to start marketing their items to lower income families or is it to target an underappreciated market that collectively has millions of dollars to offer these athletes and celebrities?
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7/17/2007  5:59 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

By the way Isles, right now I am auditioning people for the next shindig. YOu have a good chance of making the guest list. I'll let you know.

All I ask if that I'm under consideration.

I don't think anybody could realistically ask for more.
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7/17/2007  6:01 PM
Am I invited too?
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7/17/2007  6:05 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:

While I do understand being annoyed by the fact that this is called charity, I don't understand why such a good thing is being turned into something bad.


Can someone please document where anyone has made this into "something bad"?

People are poking fun at the hype of the "movement", the hubris that surrounds Marbury's aspect of it (in contrast to, say, Steve and Barry themselves), and the gullibility of so many that lap up every aspect of the PR.

Exaggerating that into people "turning this into something bad" is an unworthy deflection of a worthwhile discussion.

So what you are saying is that when we discuss Marbury's shoes the brainiacs among us are actually making fun of the foolish fans for falling for the "charity" PR. And that these posts never deviate into attacks on Marbs, his career, his intellect etc. Good one.

No bip, I asked for those who insist that people are turning his shoe gig into "something bad" to evidence it, and until they do it's a diversion from the actual discussion at hand. It's called a straw man.

How about this trueBlue I beleive it happens often. You beleive it never happens. Let's leave it at that.

hey Bobo, Did you just call me TrueBlue?

I have never heard anyone call the actual shoes and the cost of the shoes a bad thing.

Thank you, I rest my case.
But I have heard the campaign, Marbs, the length of time he spends on the campaign attacked on a regular basis. To me it's agenda driven. To you it's only about the charity aspect. I guess we can leave it at that as well.

I don't think it's only about the charity aspect, it's just that the grounds that Marbury is attacked on preceded the shoe gig and relate to him as a person and as a Knick. Yeah, coming into camp out of shape and calling basketball a hobby is a criticism of Marbury and a legitimate one IMO, but it's not because of the shoes, it's because of Marbury, as seen through the shoe gig.

You seem to, like many others, confuse legitimate complaints about Marbury as a knick, a teammate, a PG, a "leader" and a "world change" for criticism of his shoes. And while doing so criticize him often on the very same grounds.

how about instead of you and Eny and Briggs and TKF having these little chats about loosely referenced other posters while conjuring up semi-fictional unquoted material, you just quote the passages you feel are unjust and deal with them directly? I suspect if the material were as unjust as you say you'd do just that, instead we play shootout with the straw man.

True Blue every god dammmmmn post made about Marbs's shoes has you on there driving it into the ground. YOu are trying to come off as the innocent party. But the truth is that it is physically impossible for anyone on this site to discuss the Marbury shoe campaign without you dragging it into the mud. I don't know what else to tell you. My point is that I don't understand why not one time we can have a conversation about the topic without it going in this direction. Are your negative points sometimes relevant and correct on this topic? Yes. But sometimes they are clearly agenda driven. You think I'm confused. You are correct. I am confused as to how someone feels the need to constantly be involved with going after Marbs no matter what the topic. The bottom line is I don't have to drag out quotes of people attacking the shoes to prove my point. The mere fact that every post discussing this topic goes in the same direction is enough in my view.

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7/17/2007  6:08 PM
This thread is hilarious. Thanks.
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7/17/2007  6:15 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by islesfan:

Bip, I've always appreciated your opinions and enjoyed your posts. I also hope to one day earn an invite to one of your exclusive parties. When you say that I've crossed a line, I legitimately go over what I've posted and look to see if I have indeed crossed a line.

I admit that I've been insulting, at times perhaps very. But I don't think it's been any greater than the continued insulting of Knicks fans intelligence that Marbury and MSG have been guilty for years now. Between Marbury's handlers ghostwriting this blog and passing it off as Marbury's and how Marbury seems to have some kind of God complex, confusing business with actual charity work, I find it to be incredibly insulting.

It's insulting to the hundreds of thousands of people who donate their time, energy and hard earned money to causes, without getting or expecting any accolades or earning a single cent in profit. Call it what it is, a business venture that targets low income families. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But when he gets into the whole "movement" crap, it gets insulting and I have no regrets for being as insulting back.

As for my comment about Marbury being on more coke than Tony Montana, it sure makes more sense than "his" lame "people don't like it when I smile" BS.

Bip, thanks again for your constructive criticism, no matter how far off base it is.

In a way it is a movement to get more athletes and celebrities to start marketing their items to lower income families. He is legitimately trying to start a movement, no? I'm 100% in agreeement with you about the whole charity aspect of it. I agree when you make fun of people that think it's charity. Just not sure I see the problem with the whole "movement" aspect of it. I really do hope he is able to get more athletes to start marketing low cost items to the poor. And if more athletes/celebrities do start doing this, would it then be considered a "movement"?

As for the cocaine thing. I personally thought the interview was bizarre. The man should not be in front of a camera IMO. He should just quietly sell his sneakers and let someone else be the spokesperson. But the cocaine comment seemed over the top. Dude, if they find out he is on cocaine, you and I will race to see who can get to his blog first. But until then............

Bip, is this "movement" to get more athletes and celebrities to start marketing their items to lower income families or is it to target an underappreciated market that collectively has millions of dollars to offer these athletes and celebrities?

I think it's a bit of both
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Posted by Solace:

Am I invited too?

Of course. I invited you to the last one but somehow the invitation must have gotten lost in the mail. I'll make sure that doesn't happen this time.
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7/17/2007  6:25 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Solace:

Am I invited too?

Of course. I invited you to the last one but somehow the invitation must have gotten lost in the mail. I'll make sure that doesn't happen this time.

Great, I'll bring the dip, a 99 cent bag of chips, and a single beer. It will be the party of your life!

I might even be able to hook you up with this chick:

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7/17/2007  6:38 PM
TrueBlue noticed that Bip called Blueseats TrueBlue 2 in this thread after being called out on it.


Blue sorry for adopting the reverse handle but it amazes me after almost 1yr changing the handle, we still have about 3 people on this board botching our identity.


Boy is Bip on mission to put on his complete suit of armor to defend "BetterHoBury"
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Posted by TrueBlue:

TrueBlue noticed that Bip called Blueseats TrueBlue 2 in this thread after being called out on it.


Blue sorry for adopting the reverse handle but it amazes me after almost 1yr changing the handle, we still have about 3 people on this board botching our identity.


Boy is Bip on mission to put on his complete suit of armor to defend "BetterHoBury"

Luckily, I've never confused your handle, Islesfan.
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7/17/2007  7:09 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:

While I do understand being annoyed by the fact that this is called charity, I don't understand why such a good thing is being turned into something bad.


Can someone please document where anyone has made this into "something bad"?

People are poking fun at the hype of the "movement", the hubris that surrounds Marbury's aspect of it (in contrast to, say, Steve and Barry themselves), and the gullibility of so many that lap up every aspect of the PR.

Exaggerating that into people "turning this into something bad" is an unworthy deflection of a worthwhile discussion.

So what you are saying is that when we discuss Marbury's shoes the brainiacs among us are actually making fun of the foolish fans for falling for the "charity" PR. And that these posts never deviate into attacks on Marbs, his career, his intellect etc. Good one.

No bip, I asked for those who insist that people are turning his shoe gig into "something bad" to evidence it, and until they do it's a diversion from the actual discussion at hand. It's called a straw man.

How about this trueBlue I beleive it happens often. You beleive it never happens. Let's leave it at that.

hey Bobo, Did you just call me TrueBlue?

I have never heard anyone call the actual shoes and the cost of the shoes a bad thing.

Thank you, I rest my case.
But I have heard the campaign, Marbs, the length of time he spends on the campaign attacked on a regular basis. To me it's agenda driven. To you it's only about the charity aspect. I guess we can leave it at that as well.

I don't think it's only about the charity aspect, it's just that the grounds that Marbury is attacked on preceded the shoe gig and relate to him as a person and as a Knick. Yeah, coming into camp out of shape and calling basketball a hobby is a criticism of Marbury and a legitimate one IMO, but it's not because of the shoes, it's because of Marbury, as seen through the shoe gig.

You seem to, like many others, confuse legitimate complaints about Marbury as a knick, a teammate, a PG, a "leader" and a "world change" for criticism of his shoes. And while doing so criticize him often on the very same grounds.

how about instead of you and Eny and Briggs and TKF having these little chats about loosely referenced other posters while conjuring up semi-fictional unquoted material, you just quote the passages you feel are unjust and deal with them directly? I suspect if the material were as unjust as you say you'd do just that, instead we play shootout with the straw man.

True Blue every god dammmmmn post made about Marbs's shoes has you on there driving it into the ground. YOu are trying to come off as the innocent party. But the truth is that it is physically impossible for anyone on this site to discuss the Marbury shoe campaign without you dragging it into the mud. I don't know what else to tell you. My point is that I don't understand why not one time we can have a conversation about the topic without it going in this direction. Are your negative points sometimes relevant and correct on this topic? Yes. But sometimes they are clearly agenda driven. You think I'm confused. You are correct. I am confused as to how someone feels the need to constantly be involved with going after Marbs no matter what the topic. The bottom line is I don't have to drag out quotes of people attacking the shoes to prove my point. The mere fact that every post discussing this topic goes in the same direction is enough in my view.

Bip, don't kid yourself if you think you're any less predictable.

And this is just another concerted dodge of the issue. Since you can't produce condemning material you deal with vagaries and innuendo, all while continually trying to split the difference by attacking Marbury yourself while also attacking others who do the same. This way you can always play the other side of the coin when you get called out, much like Nixluva will say something like "I hope isiah can move Francis for someone more useful" so he can tell us he's been objective all along.
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7/17/2007  7:10 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

TrueBlue noticed that Bip called Blueseats TrueBlue 2 in this thread after being called out on it.


Blue sorry for adopting the reverse handle but it amazes me after almost 1yr changing the handle, we still have about 3 people on this board botching our identity.


Boy is Bip on mission to put on his complete suit of armor to defend "BetterHoBury"

This is what it normally boils down to. What am I defending him about? His shoes?

Sorry for the mixup but your names are too close. If you don't want to be confused try a different handle. Otherwise deal with it my friend.
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Sorry, name a sneaker company that young people think is cool that sells sneakers for $15. Payless is not it. When I was a kid my mother used to take us to Fayva and I once bought a pair of imitation Patrick Ewing Adidas and got made fun of by the kids in my school.

I work at a camp with young kids this summerand stroll around and play sports in Central Park with my Starbury II's on and kids who are usually obsessed with the imitation Nike's or real that go for $250 check out my $15 kicks all of the time and ask me what they are out of positive interest.

Not only that, what some fail to understand is that this is a black owned business started by a young man who's trying to be successful without exploiting his fanbase and parents from low-income communities who now have an alternative that kids like and they can afford. If you care about modeling black owned businesses for the youth of today/tomorrow, then Marbury should get his hat tipped to him. It sure is a financial risk, and he could have just gotten a basic deal with some other company and gave two cares about starting his shoe company.

He saw an idea where he could earn money but also help people. Why some seem so interested in ridiculing this says quite a bit about who you are as a person, IMHO, or your level of ignorance which I hope you think about. I think we'd be MUCH MUCH MUCH better off if we had more people with a conscious in this world about what their line of work is. The current trend is not to care, and then someone "make up" for it with charity work. Sorry, the effects of major corporations whose philosophy of profits at all costs has to constantly come into conflict with doing the right thing cannot make up for their acts by donating a minuscule percentage of what they make when the long term effects of such businesses is far reaching and not going to significantly change with their so-called "philanthropy."

Some who have also repeatedly make these comments I believe also criticized in a thread about Curry's marriage obligations vs. mini-camp, which suggests to me that you also are not well schooled in the way young people and parents function when it comes to buying things for them. The question of whether parents should really be spending $150-$200 on a pair of sneakers for their kids is legit, but not a part of the reality of our consumer culture's impact on kids and parents desire to please them (sometimes for not so good reasons...like not being around or lacking perspective of the harmful effects of spoiling children).

Straight charity should not be the only way someone can give back to the community with money. A lot of the big corporations like Nike, etc. could give two cares about the community. They are publicly held companies that need to cater to their shareholders. Their goal is strictly profits, and any charity work they do HAS to be motivated as helping their product, and that's it. Compare that to Marbury's shoe company and the philosophy which is ingrained in actually servicing low-income parents in a way that isn't just filling an economic need and putting out low-quality products, but making sure they are marketable to children obsessed with expensive sneakers often when they cannot afford them. Marbury has credibility here because he CAME FROM THE SAME BACKGROUND AND SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THOSE WHO DO.

I'll end this with a famous quote by Public Enemy's Chuck D (BTW, who is a MAJOR supporter of Marbury's venture...he was rocking Steph's shoes on the tour my group did with them earlier this year, and is a friend of Marbury):

"I like Nike's but wait a minute...The neighborhood they don't support or put money in it...The corporations know they gotta give up the dough or else we shut em down!" Public Enemy's 'Shut Em Down'.

[Edited by - PresIke on 07-17-2007 7:19 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 07-17-2007 7:19 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 07-17-2007 7:21 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 07-17-2007 7:26 PM]
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7/17/2007  7:15 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TrueBlue:

TrueBlue noticed that Bip called Blueseats TrueBlue 2 in this thread after being called out on it.


Blue sorry for adopting the reverse handle but it amazes me after almost 1yr changing the handle, we still have about 3 people on this board botching our identity.


Boy is Bip on mission to put on his complete suit of armor to defend "BetterHoBury"

This is what it normally boils down to. What am I defending him about? His shoes?

Sorry for the mixup but your names are too close. If you don't want to be confused try a different handle. Otherwise deal with it my friend.


You seem to have a huge problem with those who don't see this movement as a movement? That's defending "BetterHoBury"

Make sure you don't confuse me with bluenornage he driveby post here also. There's another blue on this board but the handle Escapegoats me at the moment.
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Posted by PresIke:

Not only that, what some fail to understand is that this is a black owned business started by a young man who's trying to be successful without exploiting his fanbase and parents from low-income communities who now have an alternative that kids like and they can afford. If you care about modeling black owned businesses for the youth of today/tomorrow, then Marbury should get his hat tipped to him. It sure is a financial risk, and he could have just gotten a basic deal with some other company and gave two cares about starting his shoe company.

Steve and Barry's is a Black based business? I could be wrong but I think they're Jewish.

Do you know Sarah jessica Parker seems tro have the same gig going for them in their women's department?
He saw an idea where he could earn money but also help people. Why some seem so interested in ridiculing this says quite a bit about who you are as a person, IMHO, or your level of ignorance which I hope you think about.

What is the level of a person's ignorance when they can't get the difference between ridiculing the person's approach to the venture as opposed to the venture itself?

I was recently in a S&B's and heard Marbury's promotional spots juxtaposed with Sarah jessica Parker's and they are nothing alike. She spoke of her personal involvement in the design and how much of herself is in it. There's nothing about changing the world or battling daemons.

Where is all the inflated hype about Sarah Jessica here? Is she less of a world changer, or just less self-aggrandizing in her efforts?
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