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djsunyc
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7/1/2007  9:27 PM
i'm sorry but this discussion is really moot.

have we become a better team after acquiring eddy? right now, it's debateable at best.

that's all that should matter.

but if you want to play the hindsight game, knowing we got zach, a better post player than eddy, then having ty/gay + noah instead of curry seems to make alot more sense but that's just my humble opinion.
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7/1/2007  9:30 PM
when we first got curry he was grossly out of shape.

When the bulls get to the finals, than you can talk about making more sense, but every paper in and outside of chicago is lamenting the fact that they don't have a low post presence and should have kept curry.

But hey, they aren't internet posters.
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7/1/2007  9:32 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

when we first got curry he was grossly out of shape.

When the bulls get to the finals, than you can talk about making more sense, but every paper in and outside of chicago is lamenting the fact that they don't have a low post presence and should have kept curry.

But hey, they aren't internet posters.

yes, but who cares about chicago? if you want to judge a deal, then judge what happens to US after the deal. what chicago does with those assets (the picks) would not be what we would've done with those picks if we kept them so you can't compare.

all i know is that curry has not helped us win yet. that's all that matters.
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7/1/2007  9:39 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by babyKnicks:

when we first got curry he was grossly out of shape.

When the bulls get to the finals, than you can talk about making more sense, but every paper in and outside of chicago is lamenting the fact that they don't have a low post presence and should have kept curry.

But hey, they aren't internet posters.

yes, but who cares about chicago? if you want to judge a deal, then judge what happens to US after the deal. what chicago does with those assets (the picks) would not be what we would've done with those picks if we kept them so you can't compare.

all i know is that curry has not helped us win yet. that's all that matters.


We don't have fans mature enough to think this way. Most have a teenagers mental makeup and desperately try to justify every move instead of just looking at results. Until we make the playoffs consistently and have one of the better records in the eastern conference this trade will continue to be a bad one like all the others bad ones he's made.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-01-2007 8:46 PM]
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by babyKnicks:

when we first got curry he was grossly out of shape.

When the bulls get to the finals, than you can talk about making more sense, but every paper in and outside of chicago is lamenting the fact that they don't have a low post presence and should have kept curry.

But hey, they aren't internet posters.

yes, but who cares about chicago? if you want to judge a deal, then judge what happens to US after the deal. what chicago does with those assets (the picks) would not be what we would've done with those picks if we kept them so you can't compare.

all i know is that curry has not helped us win yet. that's all that matters.

By that logic David Lee isnt worth much either because he hasnt helped us win.
How many games has KG won the last 2 years? Yeah he is worthless.
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7/1/2007  9:53 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by babyKnicks:

when we first got curry he was grossly out of shape.

When the bulls get to the finals, than you can talk about making more sense, but every paper in and outside of chicago is lamenting the fact that they don't have a low post presence and should have kept curry.

But hey, they aren't internet posters.

yes, but who cares about chicago? if you want to judge a deal, then judge what happens to US after the deal. what chicago does with those assets (the picks) would not be what we would've done with those picks if we kept them so you can't compare.

all i know is that curry has not helped us win yet. that's all that matters.

By that logic David Lee isnt worth much either because he hasnt helped us win.
How many games has KG won the last 2 years? Yeah he is worthless.

you have to look at the grand scheme of things. kg has won 50 games for how many years in a row? he's a good player.

but these guys, we DON'T KNOW if they can win or not b/c they NEVER have. we are in the same boat as charlotte, atlanta, etc...b/c until these teams win, their youth ain't all that.
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7/1/2007  10:03 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by babyKnicks:

when we first got curry he was grossly out of shape.

When the bulls get to the finals, than you can talk about making more sense, but every paper in and outside of chicago is lamenting the fact that they don't have a low post presence and should have kept curry.

But hey, they aren't internet posters.

yes, but who cares about chicago? if you want to judge a deal, then judge what happens to US after the deal. what chicago does with those assets (the picks) would not be what we would've done with those picks if we kept them so you can't compare.

all i know is that curry has not helped us win yet. that's all that matters.

By that logic David Lee isnt worth much either because he hasnt helped us win.
How many games has KG won the last 2 years? Yeah he is worthless.

you have to look at the grand scheme of things. kg has won 50 games for how many years in a row? he's a good player.

but these guys, we DON'T KNOW if they can win or not b/c they NEVER have. we are in the same boat as charlotte, atlanta, etc...b/c until these teams win, their youth ain't all that.

Just because they have not won much does not mean they cannot. Most of these guys are under 26 and are still learning how to play. Randolph did not win much in Portland but the guy is a clutch player who will show up in the 4th quarter. There is no player on this team who I would say is afriad to take the last shot. Crawford, Nate, Lee, Balkman, and Collins all have a winning attitude and want to win and are not afraid of pressure. Even Marbury played harder and smarter last year. Fyre and Curry were the only question marks and Frye is gone and Curry showed last year that he is willing to put in the work to improve his game. This team should make the playoffs this year and then we will see what type of guys we have on the team.
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7/1/2007  10:21 PM
It was a good trade, but only because of the way the lottery turned out this year.

For Isiah to not get at least top two protection was reckless.
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7/1/2007  10:59 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by babyKnicks:

when we first got curry he was grossly out of shape.

When the bulls get to the finals, than you can talk about making more sense, but every paper in and outside of chicago is lamenting the fact that they don't have a low post presence and should have kept curry.

But hey, they aren't internet posters.

yes, but who cares about chicago? if you want to judge a deal, then judge what happens to US after the deal. what chicago does with those assets (the picks) would not be what we would've done with those picks if we kept them so you can't compare.

all i know is that curry has not helped us win yet. that's all that matters.

By that logic David Lee isnt worth much either because he hasnt helped us win.
How many games has KG won the last 2 years? Yeah he is worthless.

you have to look at the grand scheme of things. kg has won 50 games for how many years in a row? he's a good player.

but these guys, we DON'T KNOW if they can win or not b/c they NEVER have. we are in the same boat as charlotte, atlanta, etc...b/c until these teams win, their youth ain't all that.

Just because they have not won much does not mean they cannot. Most of these guys are under 26 and are still learning how to play. Randolph did not win much in Portland but the guy is a clutch player who will show up in the 4th quarter. There is no player on this team who I would say is afriad to take the last shot. Crawford, Nate, Lee, Balkman, and Collins all have a winning attitude and want to win and are not afraid of pressure. Even Marbury played harder and smarter last year. Fyre and Curry were the only question marks and Frye is gone and Curry showed last year that he is willing to put in the work to improve his game. This team should make the playoffs this year and then we will see what type of guys we have on the team.

Just because they have not won much does not mean they cannot.
No it is exactly what it means - THEY CANNOT.
When they will win it will mean they CAN.
When NY will win 50+ and will go to second round the trade will be OK considering what we gave up. But for now sorry - 23 and 33 will not do it, as well as 41 and kick a..ss from first round.




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7/1/2007  11:15 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by babyKnicks:

when we first got curry he was grossly out of shape.

When the bulls get to the finals, than you can talk about making more sense, but every paper in and outside of chicago is lamenting the fact that they don't have a low post presence and should have kept curry.

But hey, they aren't internet posters.

yes, but who cares about chicago? if you want to judge a deal, then judge what happens to US after the deal. what chicago does with those assets (the picks) would not be what we would've done with those picks if we kept them so you can't compare.

all i know is that curry has not helped us win yet. that's all that matters.

By that logic David Lee isnt worth much either because he hasnt helped us win.
How many games has KG won the last 2 years? Yeah he is worthless.

you have to look at the grand scheme of things. kg has won 50 games for how many years in a row? he's a good player.

but these guys, we DON'T KNOW if they can win or not b/c they NEVER have. we are in the same boat as charlotte, atlanta, etc...b/c until these teams win, their youth ain't all that.

The Bulls that "isiah haters" love to champion won exactly 2 more games (49) than they won in Currys last year (47) despite Gordon, Deng and Duhon being rookies in 2005.

Rip Hamilton and Chauncy Billips had how many bad w/l record years before becoming champions?

Kobe Bryant (supposed to be the games best player, Lamar Odom and Caron Butler won 34 games as Lakers 3 years ago.
All this illustrates is that hoops is a team game and its very rare that 1 player can carry a team.

KG won 32 games last season. Jackie Butlers team won the NBA championship. Does that mean Jackie is a winner and KG a loser by this logic?

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7/1/2007  11:18 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:

KG won 32 games last season. Jackie Butlers team won the NBA championship. Does that mean Jackie is a winner and KG a loser by this logic?

an emphatic YES. jackie butler is better than KG.
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7/1/2007  11:20 PM
Agreed. Jackie Butler is the word and the truth.
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7/1/2007  11:22 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by babyKnicks:

when we first got curry he was grossly out of shape.

When the bulls get to the finals, than you can talk about making more sense, but every paper in and outside of chicago is lamenting the fact that they don't have a low post presence and should have kept curry.

But hey, they aren't internet posters.

yes, but who cares about chicago? if you want to judge a deal, then judge what happens to US after the deal. what chicago does with those assets (the picks) would not be what we would've done with those picks if we kept them so you can't compare.

all i know is that curry has not helped us win yet. that's all that matters.

By that logic David Lee isnt worth much either because he hasnt helped us win.
How many games has KG won the last 2 years? Yeah he is worthless.

you have to look at the grand scheme of things. kg has won 50 games for how many years in a row? he's a good player.

but these guys, we DON'T KNOW if they can win or not b/c they NEVER have. we are in the same boat as charlotte, atlanta, etc...b/c until these teams win, their youth ain't all that.

The Bulls that "isiah haters" love to champion won exactly 2 more games (49) than they won in Currys last year (47) despite Gordon, Deng and Duhon being rookies in 2005.

Rip Hamilton and Chauncy Billips had how many bad w/l record years before becoming champions?

Kobe Bryant (supposed to be the games best player, Lamar Odom and Caron Butler won 34 games as Lakers 3 years ago.
All this illustrates is that hoops is a team game and its very rare that 1 player can carry a team.

KG won 32 games last season. Jackie Butlers team won the NBA championship. Does that mean Jackie is a winner and KG a loser by this logic?

Unfortunately for KG he is a loser last couple of seasons. Thats why he want out of Mini
If the team is bad ALL players on this team, coach, and GM are losers.
We are NY fans and we can dig dipper and point out that Lee is good , Eddy is OK, Marbs getting better. But from otside this all group is a bunch of losers.
You know this... Why not to look at the truth strait?




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7/2/2007  12:10 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

Jesus, what is with Knick fans trying to give Isiah the benefit the doubt here?


The trade was no more than this:

Tim Thomas, Mike Sweetney, Joakim Noah, Tyrus Thomas, 2 2nd Rounders

for

Antonio Davis, Eddy Curry, Wilson Chandler


If you're gonna count Balkman (like he even matters), then you have to account for the cap space Chi got re: Ben Wallace, or the trade the Bulls made ala Aldridge for Tyrus and the pick that became that Khyrpya guy.


Aka STFU Newday or BabyKnicks or whoever.


The trade sucked.......OBVIOUSLY.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07-01-2007 8:42 PM]

So Thomas and Davis are no longer on either team. Cross them both out.
Sweetney is done. Cross him out.

That leaves the trade as this:

Eddy Curry + Wilson Chandler
for
Tyrus Thomas + Joakim Noah + 2 2nd Rounders

All speculation as to who else could have been gotten, how each team would have played if other choices had been made, cap room, etc, is just speculation and totally useless.

None of us have any idea what this trade will look like a year from now, or 10 years from now. But right now, it looks clear to me that Eddy Curry is better on his own than T2 + Noah. We will see whether it stays that way as the years go on.

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7/2/2007  12:15 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

Jesus, what is with Knick fans trying to give Isiah the benefit the doubt here?


The trade was no more than this:

Tim Thomas, Mike Sweetney, Joakim Noah, Tyrus Thomas, 2 2nd Rounders

for

Antonio Davis, Eddy Curry, Wilson Chandler


If you're gonna count Balkman (like he even matters), then you have to account for the cap space Chi got re: Ben Wallace, or the trade the Bulls made ala Aldridge for Tyrus and the pick that became that Khyrpya guy.


Aka STFU Newday or BabyKnicks or whoever.


The trade sucked.......OBVIOUSLY.

Thank you. I 100% agree. Good post!
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7/2/2007  9:14 AM
Posted by TemujinKnick:


So Thomas and Davis are no longer on either team. Cross them both out.
Sweetney is done. Cross him out.

That leaves the trade as this:

Eddy Curry + Wilson Chandler
for
Tyrus Thomas + Joakim Noah + 2 2nd Rounders

All speculation as to who else could have been gotten, how each team would have played if other choices had been made, cap room, etc, is just speculation and totally useless.

None of us have any idea what this trade will look like a year from now, or 10 years from now. But right now, it looks clear to me that Eddy Curry is better on his own than T2 + Noah. We will see whether it stays that way as the years go on.


Absolutely not. Makes no difference who Chicago picked with those picks. It's who we would have picked that we gave up. We traded the PICKS not TT+Noah. Of course we can't know who Isiah would have picked, but just because Chicago followed up the trade by screwing up the picks doesn't make the trade better.
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7/2/2007  11:17 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

KG won 32 games last season. Jackie Butlers team won the NBA championship. Does that mean Jackie is a winner and KG a loser by this logic?

an emphatic YES. jackie butler is better than KG.

The really sad thing is you probably believe that.
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7/2/2007  11:34 AM
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

KG won 32 games last season. Jackie Butlers team won the NBA championship. Does that mean Jackie is a winner and KG a loser by this logic?

an emphatic YES. jackie butler is better than KG.

The really sad thing is you probably believe that.

the more i think about it, i think butler may even be better than duncan too. but politics are keeping him from taking the throne.
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7/2/2007  11:36 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

KG won 32 games last season. Jackie Butlers team won the NBA championship. Does that mean Jackie is a winner and KG a loser by this logic?

an emphatic YES. jackie butler is better than KG.

The really sad thing is you probably believe that.

the more i think about it, i think butler may even be better than duncan too. but politics are keeping him from taking the throne.

I'm not surprised.
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7/2/2007  11:55 AM
The knicks lost the trade plain and simple

06 Bradon Roye, Ty Thomas, Randy Foye Rudy Gay
07 Al Thorton, Julian Wright, AC Law, Noah

And had it not been for Curry's miracle tip againts the bobcats we were picking sixth. Our wins haven't increased and we have a long term commitments instead of actually building something. We have contract that no one will take in curry, richardson, and crawford most likely.

Wright now you have to look at our roster and say we are not winning anything anytime soon and we are a fringe player team. We gave the bulls cap room and if they wanted could have landed a player like Rashard Lewis to go with Thomas and Noah and guess what they are probably going to make a trade, which we could have made.

We might not even get the 8th seed at this point the Bulls are the conference favorite. And Theobo is a lockdown defender. Balkman is not part of the deal, so don't include him. We just made another shacky pick much like Frye, and Nate that should have been Granger/Bynum and Jack. We let Almond slip through the cracks when he is just what we needed because isiah thinks he is smarter than everyone......
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