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kam77
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7/1/2007  5:47 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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He's the Phuckin Truth. If I had to rank posters that I've come to respect and judge their body of work over the yrs of msg board posting I'd go

Kos
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dj

jeez louise man...dj? that guy's a douchebag.

Maybe you've been posting in the wrong boards then. RealGM is hardly the place to look for expository eloquence.

By the way, this guy said nothing i haven't already read 1000 times. And this guy pines for FLEXIBILITY like most of the dim-bulbs who think that we should tread water for 2 more years in the hope that we lure a Kobe or a LeBron.

I credit BRIGGS for pointing out that the easiest most common way to build a team (and acquire stars) is through trades and the draft.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/1/2007  5:53 PM
any moron who wants to go lilly googoo gaga excited about this trade deserves the 4 years of mediocrity that it's bound to bear... unless Isiah gets himself a true franchise player to build around, we can bring in all the Zach Randolph's in the world & we're not going to have anything to show for it except a few meaningless 1st round exits out of the playoffs.
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7/1/2007  5:58 PM
Anyone who thinks cap space is the only way to build a team should wake up and learn that it's not what the KNICKS do. Guys sound like a broken record
here expecting the Knicks to act like an expansion team.

Our cap figure for next year is actually improved. So what if we can't sign Kobe outright, the Lakers would trade Kobe long before they let him hit the Open Market.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/1/2007  6:00 PM
Posted by kam77:

Anyone who thinks cap space is the only way to build a team should wake up and learn that it's not what the KNICKS do.


& just how many championships has that netted us doing it the "Knick" way? can someone tell me what positives that being capped out beyond all repair has brought to this franchise over the years?

if you want to know about broken records, it's guys like you who constantly spout off about the complete insignificance of fiscal responsibility & managing the cap in NY, & yet still manage to complain about why this team is unable to make the types of moves to bring in franchise calibre players to NY.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-01-2007 6:03 PM]
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7/1/2007  6:08 PM
Posted by kam77:
Maybe you've been posting in the wrong boards then. RealGM is hardly the place to look for expository eloquence.

By the way, this guy said nothing i haven't already read 1000 times. And this guy pines for FLEXIBILITY like most of the dim-bulbs who think that we should tread water for 2 more years in the hope that we lure a Kobe or a LeBron.

I credit BRIGGS for pointing out that the easiest most common way to build a team (and acquire stars) is through trades and the draft.


Not really trades and the draft, but the draft period. With the recent exception of the pistons just about all teams who've won championships the past 30 or so years have done so by drafting their stars. You can even include the Lakers, who in addition to acquiring Shaq via FA drafted Kobe.

And how does one maximize their potential in the draft? Logic would suggest by getting high draft picks, but isiah's hallmark has been to trade high draft picks for low ones. Great, no player better exemplifies isiah's draft eye than David Lee, and yet he's a bench player.

guys like COSSUCKS eschew any rebuild that doesn't come with guarantees and yet Isiah's methodology of limiting flexibility and trading away as many high draft picks as the CBA will allow essentially lowers our odds of success more than any other.

Too few value oriented contracts, ongoingly limiting oneself to the MLE in free agency, and trading high draft picks for low is a recipe for low odds of success. But thank goodness we can spend our way to mediocrity - at least of that we are guaranteed.
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7/1/2007  6:14 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:


He's the Phuckin Truth. If I had to rank posters that I've come to respect and judge their body of work over the yrs of msg board posting I'd go

Kos
BlueSeats
Powerforward99
Isles
dj

jeez louise man...dj? that guy's a douchebag.

Maybe you've been posting in the wrong boards then. RealGM is hardly the place to look for expository eloquence.

By the way, this guy said nothing i haven't already read 1000 times. And this guy pines for FLEXIBILITY like most of the dim-bulbs who think that we should tread water for 2 more years in the hope that we lure a Kobe or a LeBron.

I credit BRIGGS for pointing out that the easiest most common way to build a team (and acquire stars) is through trades and the draft.


Tell that to that Spurs who drafted Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli while being responsible with their cap. They also could of landed Jason Kidd 4yrs ago via FA.
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7/1/2007  6:44 PM
The Spurs are the exception in this league. That's a 1st rate org. But they also got the gift of a lifetime in Duncan. The ping pong balls fall a different way and they don't have this amazing 9 year run.
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7/1/2007  6:45 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
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Asked if the Knicks are a repository for overpaid guys no longer worth the money, Dolan said, "I'd have to agree with you on that characterization."
Is that a joke or did he really say that???

yes, he said it. It was during the Larry Brown season when their was speculation Isiah might get the axe.

he also said that season was year 1 of a 4 year plan, echoing some posters sentiments that seemingly every year should be considered Isiah's first. Either that or the more likely scenario that they choose new 4 year plans every year.
Wow, that's really amazing. I'd put it in my signature but you beat me to it!
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7/1/2007  6:46 PM
Posted by Bobby:

wow......lemme get this straight: we pick up a healthy, young, non-cancer locker room type
non-cancer? Are you joking?
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7/1/2007  7:02 PM
Posted by nixluva:

The Spurs are the exception in this league. That's a 1st rate org. But they also got the gift of a lifetime in Duncan. The ping pong balls fall a different way and they don't have this amazing 9 year run.

So in other words you're saying the Draft plays a huge role in building a team to championship contention. Thanks for clearing that up.

Also every organization with exception to ours and maybe a couple of others wants to emulate the Spurs.
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7/1/2007  7:15 PM
Im pretty Zach was atleast one of the players most knicks fans said don't trade Franics contract for(My list was Zach and Eric Damiper, could have dealt with any other terrible deal in the NBA. How can every fan know this and Isiah not???? He does, but he thinks he can fix the inherit problems of Curry/zach front court.

Can't keep protecting Isiahs Ego.
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7/1/2007  7:20 PM
Posted by nixluva:

The Spurs are the exception in this league. That's a 1st rate org. But they also got the gift of a lifetime in Duncan. The ping pong balls fall a different way and they don't have this amazing 9 year run.


so what team is the example that the Knicks are following that have been capped out to oblivion for the past several years with no regard for fiscal responsibility & have still managed to win an NBA title?
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7/1/2007  7:33 PM
Posted by TMS:

so what team is the example that the Knicks are following that have been capped out to oblivion for the past several years with no regard for fiscal responsibility & have still managed to win an NBA title?

The only examples of teams that have tried it are the Dallas Mavericks and Portland Trailblazers. Both teams then realized that the strategy wasn't getting them to the big game and started being more fiscally responsible. Suddenly the Mavericks were in the NBA finals and boisted the best record in the league, while the Blazers got Greg Oden. Strange, eh?
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7/1/2007  9:03 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by kam77:

Anyone who thinks cap space is the only way to build a team should wake up and learn that it's not what the KNICKS do.


& just how many championships has that netted us doing it the "Knick" way? can someone tell me what positives that being capped out beyond all repair has brought to this franchise over the years?

if you want to know about broken records, it's guys like you who constantly spout off about the complete insignificance of fiscal responsibility & managing the cap in NY, & yet still manage to complain about why this team is unable to make the types of moves to bring in franchise calibre players to NY.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-01-2007 6:03 PM]


How many championships is not a fair argument. The NBA more than any other league is about the DOMINANT MEGASTAR and outside of Detroit, the NBA champs have always been the team with the most dominant player in the NBA. We should talk about playoffs or else we'll get nowhere. I can ask you how many championships have been bought through cap flexibility. ZERO. Steve NASH is the shining exzample of what cap space can do for you and he aint won jack yet. Now, PHX is trying to TRADE and STARPHUCK their way to a title just like the rest of us.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/1/2007  9:05 PM
I'm not against the notion of cap space either. Its just not something you're going to have as a Knick fan so I'm not going to sit there after every trade and bitch about it. I mean, TMS, you called us morons who don't think that was a bad trade. You're going to personal attacks and you're BETTER than that man.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/1/2007  9:08 PM
Posted by kam77:

I'm not against the notion of cap space either. Its just not something you're going to have as a Knick fan so I'm not going to sit there after every trade and bitch about it. I mean, TMS, you called us morons who don't think that was a bad trade. You're going to personal attacks and you're BETTER than that man.


dude, you came out w/that remark about the dim bulbs who kept harping on cap space, so excuse me if my reply wasn't to your liking... next time if you want a civil reply, don't make insults to people who have an opposing viewpoint.
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7/1/2007  9:08 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:


blah blah blah..i hate the knicks.

same old post.
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7/1/2007  9:10 PM
One last thing, sorry:

What if Isiah turns around and trades Eddy Curry? Maybe not tomorrow but maybe a year from now when the Lakers are trying to get something in a Kobe trade? This Randolph trade allows us to NOT HAVE TO GUT our team to get someone on that Kobe level.

I mean think about this.... Eddy Curry and David Lee..., we call any team in the league offering that package as a starting point and no one is hanging the phone up on us... they'll at least listen.

There are possibilities that have openend up now, that i'm looking at. Its more likely to sign-and-trade a Superstar than nab a TIER ONE guy like Kobe or Garnett in the Open Market. Sorry.... thats just a FACT and it kinda blows your whole argument to ****.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/1/2007  9:14 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by kam77:

I'm not against the notion of cap space either. Its just not something you're going to have as a Knick fan so I'm not going to sit there after every trade and bitch about it. I mean, TMS, you called us morons who don't think that was a bad trade. You're going to personal attacks and you're BETTER than that man.


dude, you came out w/that remark about the dim bulbs who kept harping on cap space, so excuse me if my reply wasn't to your liking... next time if you want a civil reply, don't make insults to people who have an opposing viewpoint.

What was that post a couple weeks ago about ... anyone who sits around waiting for the lottery (or a handout) is a loser?

Thats what some people are advocating with free agency. That the KNICKS strategy should be to wait out the open market for a SuperStar. Ask some teams (Orlando lured Tmac and Grant Hill one summer) how that turned out. Karmically the Magic have never been the same.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/1/2007  9:14 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by kam77:

Anyone who thinks cap space is the only way to build a team should wake up and learn that it's not what the KNICKS do.


& just how many championships has that netted us doing it the "Knick" way? can someone tell me what positives that being capped out beyond all repair has brought to this franchise over the years?

if you want to know about broken records, it's guys like you who constantly spout off about the complete insignificance of fiscal responsibility & managing the cap in NY, & yet still manage to complain about why this team is unable to make the types of moves to bring in franchise calibre players to NY.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-01-2007 6:03 PM]


How many championships is not a fair argument. The NBA more than any other league is about the DOMINANT MEGASTAR and outside of Detroit, the NBA champs have always been the team with the most dominant player in the NBA. We should talk about playoffs or else we'll get nowhere. I can ask you how many championships have been bought through cap flexibility. ZERO. Steve NASH is the shining exzample of what cap space can do for you and he aint won jack yet. Now, PHX is trying to TRADE and STARPHUCK their way to a title just like the rest of us.


the Lakers signed Shaq as a free agent & won 3 championships because of it... why is it a bad idea to try & duplicate something along those lines by having the cap flexibility during a year when names like Lebron, Kobe & D Wade will potentially be availabe as free agents? how is that not a fair comparison when you're the one asking me to cite some examples of teams that have won a championship through free agency? at least i can cite an example... u can't give me one to defend your side of the argument... in your very own words, "The NBA more than any other league is about the DOMINANT MEGASTAR"... that's precisely why i don't like this trade... because it hampers our ability to sign one in 2 years when they will become available... why is that so hard to understand for some of you?

if like i said, Isiah can manage to trade for Kobe in another deal, then i'll be perfectly fine w/the Zach trade... the whole goal for me is to acquire that franchise player to build around.
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