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nyk4ever
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6/29/2007  12:09 AM
Posted by misterearl:

nyk4ever - and you took the bait and made it about race

hell, if Channing Frye was 23 and 10, how would you feel about him?

Point is, you didn't say Channing Frye, you said David Lee as you ALWAYS do. You didn't say Frye you said LEE.
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6/29/2007  12:11 AM
Cookdcokehop - it's the Knicks players who are 28 years old and under's team

I support the yoots
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6/29/2007  12:11 AM
Posted by misterearl:

highfivesucka - bear with me a moment. Here is where people get carried away in their hysteria before looking at how the floor might be organized.

Let's talk purely basketball strategy a second.

Just for kicks and giggles... Let's say Eddy is positioned on the low block, could Zack Randolph occupy a complimentary position on the floor to take some of the defensive pressure off Eddy so he in not instantly doubled?

Yes, no or maybe?

Now, let's imagine David Lee freed to play a position on the floor in that shift.

Is there a space that Lee can start, in a halfcourt set, that can maximize his skill-set?

Yes, no or maybe?

I understand what you are saying, but my point is that if you make a short list of our biggest weaknesses that we had last season, and then look at our roster after this trade, how many of those weaknesses does it really help?
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6/29/2007  12:11 AM
Posted by misterearl:

TMS - my damn point is don't inject race into a discussion of basketball unless you can back it up

you assumed i thought guys like Balkman & Mardy weren't likable while D Lee was, which wasn't the case... so you were off base on that assumption... in your original post, you accused me of personal bias clouding my judgement of the trade, when i gave you the exact reasons why i didn't like it which had nothing at all to do with personal bias... looking back, i see it was bob who brought up the race issue, so i apologize if i accued u falsely, but again, i don't see where you're going with the original question you posed on why i think D Lee is likable but those other guys aren't when i've never said anything to that effect in any of my posts on this forum... so again, i'm asking u what was your point to begin with?

[Edited by - TMS on 06-29-2007 12:13 AM]
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6/29/2007  12:12 AM
nyk4ever - if Mardy Collins was 23 and 10, how would you feel about him?

happy yet?
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6/29/2007  12:13 AM
TMS - why is it important to "like" individual basketball players?

i thought it was a team sport

[Edited by - misterearl on 06-29-2007 12:13 AM]
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6/29/2007  12:14 AM
Posted by TMS:

let's trade for Kenyon Martin, Nene, Adonal Foyle, Erick Dampier & Larry Hughes & corner the market on albatross contracts... mine as well make a complete set & call it a day.


Aint you the same person that stated dozens of threads of how we should trade for K Mart last summer?


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6/29/2007  12:14 AM
Posted by misterearl:

TMS - why is it important to "like" basketball players?

what??? dude, you need help.

i told u the reason i don't like the trade is because of the contract Zach is signed to which handcuffs this franchise for the next 4 years... being likable or not is not the main point here, though in D Lee's case it doesn't hurt him or the fact that he's not making even close to what Zach is due over the next 4.
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6/29/2007  12:15 AM
Posted by misterearl:

nyk4ever - if Eddy is positioned on the low block, could Zack Randolph occupy a complimentary position on the floor to take some of the defensive pressure off Eddy so he in not instantly doubled?

yes, no or maybe?

Read my posts in previous threads Earl, I never said Zach wasn't a good offensive player. I said 3 things, all of which I feel are valid points.

1. There is 1 basketball on the court during a NBA game and you have 4 guys (Curry, Zach, Marbury, Crawford) who all want to take shots. How will this work?
2. Zach has been a team-cancer in Portland and the Blazers will willing to throw away this 25yr old 20/10 player for a garbage contract and a lotto bust. What does this say about Randolph and his cancer attitude?
3. How will the Knicks stop opposing low post big men with 2 of the worst defensive in the entire NBA starting and playing together? How will this work?

I've made these points in several threads. I understand you have a tainted view and want Isiah to conquer the world as you watch on with your heart pounding and your blood pressure rising, but to say this board is filled with "Crybabies" because they bring up valid points and refuse to submit to wasteful patronizing is a stupid statement to make. Then to make the statement equally stupid you bring out the David Lee question again (as you've done previously before) and said if "If David Lee averaged 23 points and 10 rebounds the place would be all over his jock" Don't pretend to not know what you were doing.
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6/29/2007  12:16 AM
Posted by misterearl:

franco - in your opoinion, does Randolph need to be 20 and 10 on the Knicks?

or could Zach help space the floor a skootch better than Malik Rose?

No- he doesn't need to put up 20/10. My point is that everyone is saying- look, we got this great 20/10 guy- but he did it on a bad team

I think Zach is over rated & over paid. The only thing he has going for him is he's younger than steve Francis.
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6/29/2007  12:17 AM
personally, I like the Knicks

Channing Frye is a Blazer. I don't like him so much now.

I choose to enjoy the possibilities insteand of constant bitching and moaning over the past.

I choose to wait until players are on the floor together, as a unit, to watch them cohere, before I start crying about how bad they are or how much money they take home.

I choose to look forward to Summer League, training camp and the first awkward pre-season games, before trashing ANY transaction.

I choose to be a fan in the offseason and not some frustrated cynic who calims to be more of an expert sitting at home than the people whose careers are under a micrscope.

It's June.
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6/29/2007  12:18 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by misterearl:

franco - in your opoinion, does Randolph need to be 20 and 10 on the Knicks?

or could Zach help space the floor a skootch better than Malik Rose?

No- he doesn't need to put up 20/10. My point is that everyone is saying- look, we got this great 20/10 guy- but he did it on a bad team

I think Zach is over rated & over paid. The only thing he has going for him is he's younger than steve Francis.

Its all about the Ws and Ls my friend--there is no more baby excuses with tht team. With Marbury on his final legs--they better hurry it up as well.
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misterearl
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6/29/2007  12:20 AM
nyk4ever - you infer too much.

People said Clayde and Pearl would be a disaster.

People said no one would ever catch Babe Ruth.

People said Renaldo Balkman was the worst selection ever.

breathe and open your mind to the possibilities grasshopper

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6/29/2007  12:20 AM
briggs - calling someone overrated is overrated
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6/29/2007  12:21 AM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TMS:

let's trade for Kenyon Martin, Nene, Adonal Foyle, Erick Dampier & Larry Hughes & corner the market on albatross contracts... mine as well make a complete set & call it a day.


Aint you the same person that stated dozens of threads of how we should trade for K Mart last summer?




please, that was before i had any clue that Kobe or Lebron had opt out clauses... & you have to admit, a healthy K Mart fits the teams needs a lot more than Zach Randolph does... plus his contract would be paid by insurance if he couldn't play due to that injury, so the risk was minimal.. it was a risk i was willing to take at the time because this team needed a defensive shotblocking force in the frontcourt in a bad way... this team already has a low post scoring presence in Curry & a rebounder in D Lee... just what need does Zach Randolph address that will carry this team to the next level in your eyes?
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6/29/2007  12:23 AM
Bring back my thugs

Q. just what need does Zach Randolph address that will carry this team to the next level in your eyes?

A. They say that cat Zack is a bad mutha... shut yo' mouth
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6/29/2007  12:24 AM
Posted by misterearl:

nyk4ever - you infer too much.

earl, if you don't like people inferring meanings into the questions you ask them, make the point clear & concise next time instead of beating around the bush with your vague references to things that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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6/29/2007  12:24 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by misterearl:

franco - in your opoinion, does Randolph need to be 20 and 10 on the Knicks?

or could Zach help space the floor a skootch better than Malik Rose?

No- he doesn't need to put up 20/10. My point is that everyone is saying- look, we got this great 20/10 guy- but he did it on a bad team

I think Zach is over rated & over paid. The only thing he has going for him is he's younger than steve Francis.

Its all about the Ws and Ls my friend--there is no more baby excuses with tht team. With Marbury on his final legs--they better hurry it up as well.

I am just shock that you are posting negatively on this trade Briggs. As I stated I thought you were one of the guys saying that the Knicks should go after Randolph.
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6/29/2007  12:28 AM
TMS - the point WAS made clearly and consicely. Your own ghosts and goblins got in the way dude.

but enough about that... your harping on race and semantics is dreadfully boring

hold up, it's time to get back to basketball

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fish.mike - if you want to analyze it in context we got destroyed at PF last year. Lee's rebounding was the only thing we had going at that position all year. Zach is a monster upgrade as a starter both scoring and on the boards. He's got a good face up game so its not an impossible pairing w/ Curry. Not ideal, but in context the Knicks got much better at a position that was a weakness last year.
Hard to debate that no?
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6/29/2007  12:32 AM
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presike - Right, we don't need a 24 ppg 10 rebound PF. It's better to have Frye and Francis. Keep on hyping your own rhetoric. I'll admit that there is potential for problems developing, but I don't see that as a given, and can also see how it works. Frye and Francis had no place on this team and we got an All-Star caliber talent for guys we don't need. Sure sounds like a bad trade to me.


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