Posted by Bonn1997:

The plan is and always was to build a winning team.

That's not a plan. That's a goal. What the Knicks have failed to realize is that you need a plan to reach your goal.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 26-06-2007 08:12 AM]

That has to be one of the best things you've ever posted. Absolutely hysterical.

I still maintain that it's very hard to give the look of a team that has a "plan" when you don't have a Tim Duncan to make all your moves look good. Even when you do have a stud, it can be a crap shoot trying to add that supporting talent. Now if you're Chi or Det and you don't have a singular superstar, but you have a philosophy of the kind of players you want to draft or acquire then you can say they have exectued their plan, but really it's not so much a plan as "goal" to start with. When a key player like Rasheed or Ben Wallace becomes available then all of a sudden it looks like you had a plan you've been executing all along, when really you are just hoping that you can get your hands on a player like that. There's no guarantee that Phx gets Nash to lead their team when they cleared out Steph and Penny. They just caught a break. What you can commend them for is being in a position to take advantage of that opening. Just like Riley in Miami getting Shaq. He didn't have a "plan" for that but he took advantage of the opportunity.

In as much as any other GM has a "plan", I believe that Isiah has been implementing his "plan" and we have yet to see it fully realized, but a lot of that is left to chance. If things break the right way and he gets a chance to trade for a bigtime player, will that mean he had a plan all along? To some outside it might look that way, but he's just like any other GM that is searching to put the right pieces together. There are so many GM's of mediocre or losing teams that get labeled as not having a plan and guys like Pop in SA who basically just got lucky to get Duncan. All the other moves they've made are much easier to make when you get that one break.

I happen to think that Isiah's adding Curry was a good sign of him having a "plan" of sorts. He realized that you have to have someone to focus the team around or you have to hope you can be like Detroit. He chose to hitch his cart to Curry and I don't think it was a bad move at all. All we need now is to fill 2 needs and I think this team would be a very good team. That to me is evidence that he has a "plan". He only spent 1.5 going with the 1st plan and the last 3 offseasons have been about this current plan with Curry in the middle.

I still maintain that it's very hard to give the look of a team that has a "plan" when you don't have a Tim Duncan to make all your moves look good

Wait I thought Eddie Curry was that guy. And if he's not that guy, why would you give up two lottery picks for a guy who is not that guy? I think this is why it's so confusing to see this so called "plan". We don't have one. We change our plan constantly to whatever direction the wind is blowing during that particular offseason. This is why it took us 2 years to target players that can play d. And now we are on year 3 and still haven't targeted a two way player. Maybe in year 5 when we are under the cap.

Come on, you've been called that for a lot longer than 7 years and for reasons other than those that relate to the Knicks.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

I still maintain that it's very hard to give the look of a team that has a "plan" when you don't have a Tim Duncan to make all your moves look good. Even when you do have a stud, it can be a crap shoot trying to add that supporting talent. Now if you're Chi or Det and you don't have a singular superstar, but you have a philosophy of the kind of players you want to draft or acquire then you can say they have exectued their plan, but really it's not so much a plan as "goal" to start with. When a key player like Rasheed or Ben Wallace becomes available then all of a sudden it looks like you had a plan you've been executing all along, when really you are just hoping that you can get your hands on a player like that. There's no guarantee that Phx gets Nash to lead their team when they cleared out Steph and Penny. They just caught a break. What you can commend them for is being in a position to take advantage of that opening. Just like Riley in Miami getting Shaq. He didn't have a "plan" for that but he took advantage of the opportunity.

In as much as any other GM has a "plan", I believe that Isiah has been implementing his "plan" and we have yet to see it fully realized, but a lot of that is left to chance. If things break the right way and he gets a chance to trade for a bigtime player, will that mean he had a plan all along? To some outside it might look that way, but he's just like any other GM that is searching to put the right pieces together. There are so many GM's of mediocre or losing teams that get labeled as not having a plan and guys like Pop in SA who basically just got lucky to get Duncan. All the other moves they've made are much easier to make when you get that one break.

I happen to think that Isiah's adding Curry was a good sign of him having a "plan" of sorts. He realized that you have to have someone to focus the team around or you have to hope you can be like Detroit. He chose to hitch his cart to Curry and I don't think it was a bad move at all. All we need now is to fill 2 needs and I think this team would be a very good team. That to me is evidence that he has a "plan". He only spent 1.5 going with the 1st plan and the last 3 offseasons have been about this current plan with Curry in the middle.

It went from "the plan is and always was..." to "a sign of him having a "plan" of sorts".

Nice backtracking.

Weren't you the guy who said the "plan" for the next 2 seasons was to get under the cap and sign a big time free agent?

Nevermind, you backtrack so much, who knows what you're saying.

Isiah has a "plan" to stay in NY as much as possible and suck as much money as possible from Dolan.
I think it's a good plan and it's working to perfection.
The only problem with me it is nothing to do with Knick team success.
Some people are concern about what they did in their live and how people feel about them. IT is not among this people. He is concerned only what he think about himself. No wonder we have some similar-minded players on the team - marbs, steve, eddy.
I have no problem with this guys to have cool life but they spoiled my team in process... f...ers