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TMS
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6/18/2007  3:16 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:

You DO understand that the Lakers control his rights and they DON'T have to TRADE him.

Get OVER it- we are NOT getting KOBE.

BTW., best deal I heard is Kobe for Arenas...top that!

AND CURRY will be included in ANY KOBE deal...if Isiah hangs up the phone, then so be it. There is ZERO CHANCE the Lakers will NOT ASK for Curry.

PLUS, 29 other teams will be asking as well...and just because they are not on Kobe's short list now, the list stands a chance to grow.

no, they don't HAVE to trade him, but i believe they WILL! why the F is that so F'in hard to understand? i'm giving you my freakin' opinion! if you don't agree, that's fine... jeezus!

Arenas? since when does Kobe want to be traded to WAS? hey, let's throw just any player's name out there & see if it sticks... unbelievable.
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6/18/2007  3:24 PM
keep Kobe & have a huge distraction for the entire season & lose him for nothing when he opts out

This is reaching. Kobe is the Lakers. Was the COLORADO rape a distraction. I'd say YES. If the 'team' (and i use that term lightly to refer to the collection of homeless bums on the Lakers) can survive the Kobe rape distractions and having him flying in from Colorado on game nights to play etc.. then they can get by with the distraction of Kobe wanting out.
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6/18/2007  3:27 PM
Posted by kam77:
keep Kobe & have a huge distraction for the entire season & lose him for nothing when he opts out

This is reaching. Kobe is the Lakers. Was the COLORADO rape a distraction. I'd say YES. If the 'team' (and i use that term lightly to refer to the collection of homeless bums on the Lakers) can survive the Kobe rape distractions and having him flying in from Colorado on game nights to play etc.. then they can get by with the distraction of Kobe wanting out.

exactly...right now it's all new car smell.

they just need to chill out, wait a few months and let things settle down. kobe's behaving like a kid that wanted a bike for christmas but his deadbeat dad spent the money on a bottle of wild turkey.
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6/18/2007  3:31 PM
Kobe has 2yrs left under contract and the Lakers have tons of options as to how they want to move forward during that time. Wether they make good decisions remains to be seen but they aren't without options. Now I feel they have been dealt a blow with the recent news and are now seeing the ramifications of trading away Shaq. As far as Kobe vs Lakers/mgmt

Kobe's holding and pointing a 45

Lakers/mgmt are holding and pointing an AK47


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6/18/2007  3:46 PM
Posted by kam77:
keep Kobe & have a huge distraction for the entire season & lose him for nothing when he opts out

This is reaching. Kobe is the Lakers. Was the COLORADO rape a distraction. I'd say YES. If the 'team' (and i use that term lightly to refer to the collection of homeless bums on the Lakers) can survive the Kobe rape distractions and having him flying in from Colorado on game nights to play etc.. then they can get by with the distraction of Kobe wanting out.

Actually Kobe's team during the Colorado case was the '04 team that got bumrushed by Detroit in the Finals. And yes it was a distraction even though they got to the Finals.

[Edited by - K22 on 06-18-2007 3:47 PM]
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6/18/2007  3:56 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by kam77:
keep Kobe & have a huge distraction for the entire season & lose him for nothing when he opts out

This is reaching. Kobe is the Lakers. Was the COLORADO rape a distraction. I'd say YES. If the 'team' (and i use that term lightly to refer to the collection of homeless bums on the Lakers) can survive the Kobe rape distractions and having him flying in from Colorado on game nights to play etc.. then they can get by with the distraction of Kobe wanting out.

exactly...right now it's all new car smell.

they just need to chill out, wait a few months and let things settle down. kobe's behaving like a kid that wanted a bike for christmas but his deadbeat dad spent the money on a bottle of wild turkey.


Agree
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6/18/2007  3:57 PM
Posted by K22:
Posted by kam77:
keep Kobe & have a huge distraction for the entire season & lose him for nothing when he opts out

This is reaching. Kobe is the Lakers. Was the COLORADO rape a distraction. I'd say YES. If the 'team' (and i use that term lightly to refer to the collection of homeless bums on the Lakers) can survive the Kobe rape distractions and having him flying in from Colorado on game nights to play etc.. then they can get by with the distraction of Kobe wanting out.

Actually Kobe's team during the Colorado case was the '04 team that got bumrushed by Detroit in the Finals. And yes it was a distraction even though they got to the Finals.

[Edited by - K22 on 06-18-2007 3:47 PM]


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6/18/2007  4:00 PM
Posted by K22:
Posted by kam77:
keep Kobe & have a huge distraction for the entire season & lose him for nothing when he opts out

This is reaching. Kobe is the Lakers. Was the COLORADO rape a distraction. I'd say YES. If the 'team' (and i use that term lightly to refer to the collection of homeless bums on the Lakers) can survive the Kobe rape distractions and having him flying in from Colorado on game nights to play etc.. then they can get by with the distraction of Kobe wanting out.

Actually Kobe's team during the Colorado case was the '04 team that got bumrushed by Detroit in the Finals. And yes it was a distraction even though they got to the Finals.

[Edited by - K22 on 06-18-2007 3:47 PM]

Yes. Thats my point as well. The distractions were far greater then. Thus, the argument that Kobe is going to pout and its going to be this huge distraction is a little bit much.



[Edited by - kam77 on 06-18-2007 4:01 PM]
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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6/18/2007  4:02 PM
The offer that Briggs posted a few days ago was a good offer. Knicks would be offering 6 prospects not only that but LA would have a very good cap situation still to go along with those 6 prospects. Plus LA is a big Market team. You have all that flexability and get under the cap they could look for there Steve Nash throw money at him and compete again.

I don't know if the Knicks will get Kobe but they are definatly high in the running and they can put something solid on the table to offer LA.
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6/18/2007  4:30 PM
They don't want what we are offering and it will most likely put them over the cap....They could be in an ideal situation if kobe wants to to go to the bulls with deng, gordon #9 puts them in a pefect situation for the future and doesn't kill their cap.

LA

Gordon
Walton
Deng
Odom
Bynum

With Jeff Green, Julian Wright and Criteron on the board and perhaps nick young at 19 and still have cap space to throw at somone like Arenas in the offseason
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6/18/2007  4:36 PM
Ewing wanted out, He got traded.

T-mac wanted out, He got traded

Vince Carter wanted out, He got traded.

shaq wanted out, He got traded.

Yet all of these players were under contract, their teams didn't have to trade them, yet they were moved.. go figure...
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6/18/2007  4:40 PM
The Lakers management should literally find the highest building in LA and jump off it if they trade Kobe to NY. There is absolutely no way that they will get anything remotely worthy out of the deal with NY. Sure they get some nice young role players but who the hell wants that when you are giving one of the best players in the league.
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6/18/2007  5:22 PM
Posted by tkf:

Ewing wanted out, He got traded.

T-mac wanted out, He got traded

Vince Carter wanted out, He got traded.

shaq wanted out, He got traded.

Yet all of these players were under contract, their teams didn't have to trade them, yet they were moved.. go figure...

Show us the list of players who went to management with trade demands and were not traded.
There have been cases. Of course, they aren't reported. So i don't know how much stock to put into the fact that at some point in history, stars that asked for a trade were granted one.
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6/18/2007  5:24 PM
I can think of a fewthat have been reported... Jason Kidd wanted out of his NJ contract a few years ago, Steve Francis wanted out of his deal last year... usually a team will try to placate its star player first.
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6/18/2007  5:27 PM
Can someone please post an example of a high profile player who demanded a trade but was forced to play out his contract?

Simply doesn't happen guys. You don't have to buy that Kobe would be a "distraction", I'm not sure that I do either. And maybe the situation calms down, the Lakers acquire Jermaine O'Neal, and Kobe gives it another go.

But to claim that the Lakers hold all the cards is simply false, and when every example in the last 15 years flatly contradict this, its just hardheaded.

If Kobe wields his no-trade clause to try to force the Lakers into an absolutely unreasonable position, then this does change the equation. I don’t think he is. He is asking the Lakers to take on draft picks, cap space and young prospects to let him go. No matter how the haters on this board devalue our young prospects, this isn’t an unreasonable proposition and although I don’t think it has gotten to this point yet, yes, it could be a proposition the Lakers are going to have to consider.
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6/18/2007  5:32 PM
Ewing wanted out, He got traded.
T-mac wanted out, He got traded

Vince Carter wanted out, He got traded.

shaq wanted out, He got traded.

Yet all of these players were under contract, their teams didn't have to trade them, yet they were moved.. go figure...

I believe some of these players were free-agents when they made the move.

Lakers didn't want to pay Shaq the money he was asking plus they had to choose between him and Kobe so thats why he ended up in Miami. I don't think he flat out demaded a trade.

Ewing again he wanted a contract extension which Laden didn't give to him thats why he was moved.

Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter are you kidding I thought this was a serious discussion about superstars that demanded trades not these two clowns?
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6/18/2007  5:33 PM
Come on Kam, you think star players demand trades all the time? Its a rare thing, and when it happens we usually hear about it.
Posted by kam77:

Kidd wanted out of his NJ contract a few years ago,

Hadn't heard that, really? Why?
Posted by kam77:

Steve Francis wanted out of his deal last year...

And there were plenty of reports that Isiah was doing everything in his power to move him, including considering buying him out. But he got no takers and best I could tell, Francis never made a trade demand.

I mentioned KG as one example of a player not traded after demanding it. He came to an agreement with the team, I think, that he would give it another go. But certainly it seems clear now that the T-Wolves are trying to move him.

Are they going to get "equal value"? You tell me who that would even be.


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6/18/2007  5:33 PM
Posted by kam77:

I can think of a fewthat have been reported... Jason Kidd wanted out of his NJ contract a few years ago, Steve Francis wanted out of his deal last year... usually a team will try to placate its star player first.

Steve Francis? you can't be serious... a player needs to have some semblence of trade value to apply here, wouldn't you think? Jason Kidd never demanded to be traded.
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6/18/2007  5:41 PM
Look at a trade demand from management's point of view.

You have a player who clearly no longer wants to be part of your team, so if you are the Lakers building for the future it has to be clear to you that Kobe wants no part of that future.

So yeah, you can hold on to him for two years while Kobe sleep-walks through the seasons while devaluing himself like Baron Davis and Vince Carter did, or you can trade him at the height of his value and get what you can.

This idea that LA would implode if they traded Kobe is a complete joke. Its like people never heard of a team rebuilding after a star has left or retired. They get prospects and picks for him and move forward.
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6/18/2007  5:51 PM
Hey. Kidd and Francis were two very recent examples off the top of my head. Granted Francis is not really a star so lets focus on Kidd.

Jason Kidd had a lot to say behind closed doors to management. First, he said sign ZO or else i won't re-sign. Nets sign ZO then let Martin walk. At that point, JK made some demands to be traded (sorry no sources, but pretty damn sure it happened). Nets consider moving him. Nets eventually placate him with VC.

Paul Pierce has been *this* close a few times to demanding a trade in public. So has JO. Each time, management steps in and soothes some feelings and patch things up for a little while.

We don't know how many times AI went to Billy King, frustrated, asking for help, dropping hints that he wanted to be dealt, before things actually came to that point of no return.

Just keep an open mind. Stars demand things all the time. sometimes they threaten that they'll go to the press with a trade demand. Its a ploy. Usually it doesn't become public.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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