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6/12/2007  6:14 PM
Posted by misterearl:

djsu - c'mon doc, I can put together a highlight package of me in the eighth grade that would blow you away.

who has seen him play?

I've seen him play--he was a freshmen when Bogut was @ Utah. Utah was on TV all the time @ 11PM. Colorado started a C named Matt nelson a real big dude--jason smith was a skinny athletic 7 footer who came off the bench on that team. Other than that you do get a good sample look at him on several draft tapes this year. There is no doubt that he looks fluid athletic he can shoot he slong he can handle and he s7 feet tall. He measured out well both physically and athletically. If I remember Randolph Morris was already in the draft and was bypassed at pick 60.
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6/12/2007  6:24 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by misterearl:

djsu - c'mon doc, I can put together a highlight package of me in the eighth grade that would blow you away.

who has seen him play?

I've seen him play--he was a freshmen when Bogut was @ Utah. Utah was on TV all the time @ 11PM. Colorado started a C named Matt nelson a real big dude--jason smith was a skinny athletic 7 footer who came off the bench on that team. Other than that you do get a good sample look at him on several draft tapes this year. There is no doubt that he looks fluid athletic he can shoot he slong he can handle and he s7 feet tall. He measured out well both physically and athletically. If I remember Randolph Morris was already in the draft and was bypassed at pick 60.

This was already posted but if others havent seen jason smith play here are the videos


I think a very fair assessment having seen Randolph Morris play--is that Jason Smith is superior it various different skills ---ballhandling-- spot up shooting--- agility/speed--- athletiscm and that Randolph Morris is a much bigger body with an old school game down low. he's not as fast not as athletic he does have good touch and size at the hoop. It looks like"to me" that jason smith might be a better rebounder because he appears longer and more athletic to the ball[quick jump] His arms did not measure long but he makes up for it in pure size 6-11+ bare feet and hops. Randolph Morris is 6-10 in sneakers.

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6/13/2007  12:33 AM
I think people are underestimating Morris and how he will handle playing on the NBA level. He's not a jumping jack like many of the prospects, but he's got legit size, strength and weight for the PF position. Since he's agile and quick he should be able to get off at the next level and draw fouls like he did in College. We'll have to see if he's driven to improve and if he is, he should be a solid role player for this team.

From what i've read Morris is a legit 6-11 in shoes, but that's not really the point. He did well against good competition, some of the very guys that are top draft picks this year. I'm not sure that Jason Smith faced similar comp.

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6/13/2007  9:57 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I think people are underestimating Morris and how he will handle playing on the NBA level. He's not a jumping jack like many of the prospects, but he's got legit size, strength and weight for the PF position. Since he's agile and quick he should be able to get off at the next level and draw fouls like he did in College. We'll have to see if he's driven to improve and if he is, he should be a solid role player for this team.

From what i've read Morris is a legit 6-11 in shoes, but that's not really the point. He did well against good competition, some of the very guys that are top draft picks this year. I'm not sure that Jason Smith faced similar comp.

you may be right about morris as a player. i'm just not sure he'll be able to play to his strengths here if we ask him to board and D up next to eddy instead of playing in the post. i think we may best realize his value by trading him to meet a need.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 06-13-2007 09:58 AM]
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6/13/2007  10:13 AM
Briggs - thank you for the informed background on Jason Smith. Having never watched Morris carefully, I really don't know where they stack up in basketball terms... and in turn... the MOST important question:

which player would help the Knicks most immediately...

or in three years?

is 2007 the next stage of a total yoot movement or a run to the playoffs?

or both?

now I'm confused

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6/13/2007  10:16 AM
Posted by misterearl:

which player would help the Knicks most immediately...

or in three years?

is 2007 the next stage of a total yoot movement or a run to the playoffs?

or both?

now I'm confused

therein lies the question - where does dolan stand on the team right now? he gave isiah an extension (rumored to be 4 years) but is making the playoffs this year imperative? or is dolan willing to give isiah more time?

from what dolan said on WFAN in december of last year, he said he doesn't expect to win this year (06/07) and maybe not next year (07/08) but expects to win pretty big the following year (08/09).

so we'll see how it goes.
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6/13/2007  10:37 AM
djsu - i think that late one night in February, somewhere in the dark recesses of MSG, Dolan gave Isiah the secret handshake to embark upon a roster-cleansing, money-saving, bonafide yoot movement. Allan Houston's W2 is about to be history. According to the news, Thomas will not use his mid-level. Hmmm....

The team was playing inspired February basketball and a few fans were starting to get moderately excited again. The empty seats were fewer.

you were there before the rash of March injuries. didn't the mood change for the better?

I even thought i caught you cheering a few times.

If you take a quick glance at the ages of key players on the roster, it is dominated by guys that are 28 and under. Curry, Morris, Lee, Balkman, Collins, Nate, Frye and even Jamal are underage. That's eight. 2007 Draft pick, should he be kept, makes nine.

I'm witchoo, the fix is in for 2008



[Edited by - misterearl on 06-13-2007 10:39 AM]
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6/13/2007  10:45 AM
Posted by misterearl:

djsu - i think that late one night in February, somewhere in the dark recesses of MSG, Dolan gave Isiah the secret handshake to embark upon a roster-cleansing, money-saving, bonafide yoot movement. Allan Houston's W2 is about to be history. According to the news, Thomas will not use his mid-level. Hmmm....

The team was playing inspired February basketball and a few fans were starting to get moderately excited again. The empty seats were fewer.

you were there before the rash of March injuries. didn't the mood change for the better?

I even thought i caught you cheering a few times.

If you take a quick glance at the ages of key players on the roster, it is dominated by guys that are 28 and under. Curry, Morris, Lee, Balkman, Collins, Nate, Frye and even Jamal are underage. That's eight. 2007 Draft pick, should he be kept, makes nine.

I'm witchoo, the fix is in for 2008

cheering - i was the dude that started the wave.
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6/13/2007  10:47 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by misterearl:

which player would help the Knicks most immediately...

or in three years?

is 2007 the next stage of a total yoot movement or a run to the playoffs?

or both?

now I'm confused

therein lies the question - where does dolan stand on the team right now? he gave isiah an extension (rumored to be 4 years) but is making the playoffs this year imperative? or is dolan willing to give isiah more time?

from what dolan said on WFAN in december of last year, he said he doesn't expect to win this year (06/07) and maybe not next year (07/08) but expects to win pretty big the following year (08/09).

so we'll see how it goes.



I think the east scks and that almost ALL teams have a legit chance to go as far as the cavs did. imho I think young players CAN have big impacts or just quality one's if you get the right one's. When you start saying Ill trade these 4 guys and a pick for KG[who is no shaq] you can cumulatively throw off everything you've built--is KG worth more than the sum of parts given up? well how many games did KG help win this year? I think the Knicks can continue to rebuild AND go deep into the playoffs.
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6/13/2007  11:12 AM
I saw Randolph Morris play an entire game against Florida this year while visiting my folks back in February. This kid is huge and is one of quickest centers in the draft. I'd offer an example of the countless times we've seen folks lollygag into the paint against us because our frontline is too late shifting over. Well with Morris in the game that at the least will stop (although he's not a tremendous shot blocker). Put simply he's quick as a cat on his feet and strong as a bull (good position defender). When he was in the game he gave Florida all they could handle offensively and defensively. The moment he hit the bench Kentucky collapsed.

Neither Curry (easy), Lee or Frye are as strong as he is defensively.....right now. One thing we can be sure of is that Isiah was angling to get Morris as far back as the Knick 2005 workout during Morris's freshmen season. Why else would he come here with the glut we sort of have on our frontline.

All of this leads to the fact that the Knicks will definitely be going perimeter scorer from the 2 or 3 (Almond perhaps - kid can flat out shoot it - something we can't do consistently besides Nate and on occasion Q)...Frye is a 4 or 5). The Wyatt kid makes for an intriguing pickup if we can squeak another pick during the second round.

Of course all of this is for naught if Kobe comes into play.

Bottom line, just be thankful Isiah got Morris for nothing and give credit where credit's due.


[Edited by - Junkmein on 06-13-2007 11:20 AM]
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6/13/2007  11:20 AM
Every year Isiah brings in someone and proclaims them to be "an extra first round pick".

Every year that player turns out to be a fringe NBA player, at best, that ends up somewhere else.

This year it's Randolph Morris. Dis is da same guy who wasn't even drafted in the 2nd rd last year based on potential and who was signed as a free agent for peanuts.

But now the same geniuses, who got all giddy about the Butlers, Woods and Johnson's of the world, want to proclaim Morris as a borderline lottery pick.

Basically that makes this a very typical Knicks offseason. No real stud prospect to get all hyped about, after another pathetic season, so they build up any project and make them out to be much much more than they really are.
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6/13/2007  11:27 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Every year Isiah brings in someone and proclaims them to be "an extra first round pick".

Every year that player turns out to be a fringe NBA player, at best, that ends up somewhere else.

This year it's Randolph Morris. Dis is da same guy who wasn't even drafted in the 2nd rd last year based on potential and who was signed as a free agent for peanuts.

But now the same geniuses, who got all giddy about the Butlers, Woods and Johnson's of the world, want to proclaim Morris as a borderline lottery pick.

Basically that makes this a very typical Knicks offseason. No real stud prospect to get all hyped about, after another pathetic season, so they build up any project and make them out to be much much more than they really are.

All of that happened two and three seasons ago so i'm not sure what happened last year that fits what you're talking about. Morris wasn't drafted after the 2005 season (2 full seasons ago, his Freshmen year) so i'm not sure what you're talking about when you say he wasn't drafted in the 2nd rd last season. Woods didn't play here last year and that was because the Knicks weren't down with the Dog stuff (Larry was though). Besides that, imo Qyntel was and still is a player. I'm assuming you're not commenting on Balkman or Collins...I don't think (cause they're not fringe players by any stretch).

Imo, Randolph Morris will make it in this league...he's a player.



[Edited by - Junkmein on 06-13-2007 11:29 AM]
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6/13/2007  12:42 PM
My view is Morris wouldve been picked 25-40. He does lumber a bit and seems out of it at times. He was bypassed through 60 picks not long ago. Let's be real. It's good that we got him for free and I have no problem saying we got a late first round pick to early second..
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6/13/2007  4:26 PM
Junkmein - yours is the one of the best (and few) first-hand accounts of Morris to date. Thank you.

I look forward to watching the Summer League yoots for a glimpse of his skill-set.

Then again

Projecting the performance of Randolph Morris on a biased opinion against the signings Qyntel Woods, DerMarr Johnson or Jackie Butler is similar to disparaging the potential performance of Greg Oden based on the career of Sam Bowie.

"but hey, David Lee was picked later than Mike Sweetney so that must mean that..." (duh)


priceless

[Edited by - misterearl on 06-13-2007 4:27 PM]
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