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5/29/2007  3:09 PM
Posted by PresIke:
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Posted by nixluva:

As usual this is all PURE CRAP!!! You guys are just freakin amazing. You just watched the guy play his ass off on bad wheels and teams STILL couldn't stop him. He's not done yet and like EnySpree said, he's been purposely holding back his own game to try and fit more into the team concept. Besides why is it right to kick dirt on him at this time? It's not really about him anymore. We're not looking for him to dominate games like he used to. We only need him to provide scoring punch when it's needed and he eventually found the right balance and was doing that this year. That is before the injuries.

What some of you aren't realizing is that If this team made it to the playoffs and we needed an explosion from Steph he would be able to provide that. Next season he'll likely be able to get more rest now that we have Mardy coming along. Then we can save him for the playoffs. It's a good situation having Steph and his considerable talent at this point. He can last a lot longer if we don't have to wear him out and we won't playing him the way we did most of this year. Steph isn't a problem for this team, he can help us when we need that higher level in a playoff situation.

We must have been watching different games because Marbury struggled to get into the lane like he has in the past.

And this is a load of garbage saying Marbury is sacrificing his game for the betterment of the team- all the other guys listed do that- and they still get their points, but they also get assists, steals, make an impact by being a positive player.

Look- Marbury played great team ball this year.

But- bottom line is this- his production and value on the court is grossly mismatched to his salary.

And he is still costing us a draft pick that will be unprotected in 2010.

I'm not sure his value is ever going to be higher around the league and if you could trade him for a decent package, I think you do it.

He isn't getting younger, faster and his shot from outside isn't getting better.

He struggled to get in the lane? When? Maybe when he was injured, which Steph was dealing with a lot last year. And how do you know that he didn't sacrifice his game at all? I think it's pretty obvious that he has since Brown came, but felt better with it under Isiah as he convinced him that we needed to go through Curry. Anyway, you act like Marbury didn't score at all last year, but that was earlier in the season when the team was struggling to find it's identity with Curry as the main guy. That may be a reason the team struggled early on because Steph only scored over 20 points once in the first month and a half, but as the season went on he had far more impact as a scorer, including 8 games where he scored over 30 points and 3 of those over 40 points. He also had stretches of 6 out of 7 games in a row scoring over 20 in January (the teams record was 4-3) and over 20 in 8 out of 9 games, or 9 out of 11 during one stretch (where the Knicks went 5-4 and 6-5) where he had 3 games in a row over 30 points one of which was over 40.

This is the sign of a guy who can't get in the lane or score? Sure, if you want to ignore facts and believe that he's done, then by all means, fire away.

Nash sacrifices his game every night and ends up with 20 & 10. How does that happen?

Apparently you missed what I said about Marbury adapting over the last 2 seasons. Re-read my explanation about that then compare that to Nash playing like that with top players almost his entire NBA career where he was not meant to be the top gun/scorer (Nowitzki, Amare)...it answers your question.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-29-2007 3:03 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-29-2007 3:03 PM]

Like Nash did last year with a Marion and a bunch of other guys like Tim Thomas.

Face it- Nash makes the game fun for his team mates.

Sourbury does not.

Nash has a high BB IQ, and gets his team mates involved.

Sourbury does not.
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5/29/2007  3:11 PM
If Nash is on the knicks they are one of the best teams in the eastern conference and win close to 50 games you can throw that one in the bank.......

Nash
Crawford/Nate
Q/Balkman
Lee
Curry/Frye

You can beat on the fact that crawford would get open looks where he is deadly, instead of over dribbling and killing the offense. Not to mention the points that balkman and lee would get running the floor. Open shots for Q all night long and curry getting easy buckets, just imagine how much easier the game would be for those guys. Frye would even improve.

Thats really my point. Curry digressed when Marbury took over, Crawford still shot his usual dog **** percentage and frye went down the drain
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5/29/2007  3:14 PM
I didn't say Nash wasn't better than Marbury, but all of those guys fit the team's system. Shooters galore and a running game. Nash is not a takeover player, for all of his talent, and his teams have not gotten over the hump to the Finals. He's a great player, don't get me wrong, but that doesn't make Marbury garbage.

You still left out the other parts of my argument, and then had to resort to calling Steph names...what does that say about your ability to observe his game objectively?
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5/29/2007  3:14 PM
Posted by MS:

Nash also gets paid 11 million to Marbury's 20 million.....

I love Nash getting dumped on for not taking over in the playoffs......

He misses game 1's final seconds and is without their second best player and key bench player in a two point home loss. T

21.3pts 12.7ass 3.7rbs 48%fg 52%3fga in that series

Marburys Claim to Fame vs. Spurs

Game 1 26pts 6ass 2rbs 53min 9-28
Game 2 32pts 5ass 10rb 13-27
Game 3 25pts 7ass 1rb 12-26
Game 4 18pts 7ass 3rbs 7-18
Game 5 13pts 7ass 1rbs 5-18
Game 6 18pts 2ass 7rbs 5-19

Marbury 22pts 5.6ass 4rbs 38% shooting

So other than the Starbury 1, which he is making twice as much off of and pretending its all about the kids, admirable still, smart business no question, and a talk show that a 7 year year old could host better what is all the fuss about, and why does every get so upset when we point to the obvios.


The San Antonio series' has doomed this franchise 2 times.

Against Phx... Philanthrobury played ok and we ended up trading for him, giving away a huge portion of the farm.

Against Seattle..... Jerome James played ok and we struck a match to $28mil and lit it on fire.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-29-2007 2:16 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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5/29/2007  3:18 PM
I agree, Nash would improve the Knicks, but it seems rather convenient to neglect the fact that Marbury was NEVER a pass first PG until he was forced to under Brown and then made a real effort last year after a decade of being a pure scoring 1. If you had one identity your entire life and then tried to change it, would you expect to suddenly become great at that overnight?

Since my request to check what I said appears to not be happening, I'll restate a summary of what I said. The Knicks record as the season progressed last year, until the team suffered key injuries, should be some indication of the possibility of hope for Steph's game and the Knicks next year, along with the development of the young guys. I'm not saying the team is Finals material, but they COULD be half decent with a few tweaks and players improvement.
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5/29/2007  3:23 PM
Actually I hate to break it to anyone that was proud of steph last year. But he was such a liability to start the season, partly because of Isiah using him to prove a point, and Isiah having no idea what he was doing at the helm....

Steph was playing terrible, he was sulking, he was off not supporting his teammates and he wasn't making plays. It was only after everyone started calling for his head that he began playing better.....

Fan event, 1 hour late. Starbury promotions missing practice. The game is a job for him, which is ok he did what he needed to do to save his family. He did what he needed to do to save his image last year. Can't expect any miracles from the guy. He believes he is a star, even though he is an above average nba player....

Whats best for steph is always on his mind....
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5/29/2007  3:36 PM
MS, I just said that early last season Steph struggled with the change, but as the season progressed this changed and he seemed more comfortable with his role. Anyway, I give up, this discussion is apparently not going anywhere because you are stuck in the past view of Steph and apparently hate the man.

I guess trying to start a black owned company that is trying to undermine the monopolization of very expensive sneakers being sold to and coveted by kids in poor comminities to help (and make money, sure) or donating close to $1 million dollars to help poor black people in N.O. is selfish. I know Chuck D, who knows Marbury personally and he holds him in high esteem, as well as supports Steph's business venture, by rocking his shoes. Is Ben Wallace also selfish for supporting Marbury's idea? I just think you have no idea what you are talking about with the man personally, as do apparently many others who see the scowl and other stuff and pass such harsh judgment.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-29-2007 3:37 PM]
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5/29/2007  3:51 PM
As I said before - Steph is good player and OK person.
But this is not enough for NBA and for NYC big stage.
He was never due for this place and this load is overwhelming for him physically and mentally.
He is one of those who never recognized that he cannot make it in NYC
This is tuff place and no way anybody who CLAIMED greatness will get a free pass
Sorry Steph... You are not the one…
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5/29/2007  3:57 PM
Getting paid 20 million to not do your job and be charitable is not admirable it really is expected. I like the fact that they are trying to change the sneaker industry and make a difference. But I believe his motive was to improve his shattered image.

I would be curious to see how mnay shoes have been sold, and the royalties he has recieved for this charitable project. And donating 1 million shoes, if its coming out of his pocket and not out of Steve and Barreys for publicity would be very admirable........

Perhaps they should publish what he is making on these things if his goal was all about helping people. I guess having a lot of faith in people is where i am at fault and think charity is something you must do especially if you are getting a ton of money doing exactly what you want
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Getting paid 20 million to not do your job and be charitable is not admirable it really is expected. I like the fact that they are trying to change the sneaker industry and make a difference. But I believe his motive was to improve his shattered image.

I would be curious to see how mnay shoes have been sold, and the royalties he has recieved for this charitable project. And donating 1 million shoes, if its coming out of his pocket and not out of Steve and Barreys for publicity would be very admirable........

Perhaps they should publish what he is making on these things if his goal was all about helping people. I guess having a lot of faith in people is where i am at fault and think charity is something you must do especially if you are getting a ton of money doing exactly what you want
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5/29/2007  3:57 PM
Even if he isn't. Whats the point of this thread? To trade him? To cut him? To bash him?
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5/29/2007  4:07 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Even if he isn't. Whats the point of this thread? To trade him? To cut him? To bash him?

The point is to get read of illusions and move on with Steph or without.
He will not put us anywhere and it is time to let him go or use him acordingly like complimentary veteran player.
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5/30/2007  2:52 AM
What about that awesome TV show though? Does that count?
PS I like Stephon.
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5/30/2007  11:11 AM
HOw many Steve and Barry's (two white guys btw) are near the actual target market of Starbury's?

Answer. In NY State, just one in Manhatten. Rest are not in the urban areas.

BTW, I used the starbury's with my power washer last week and found the man made uppers nice to keep my feet dry!
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5/30/2007  1:24 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Even if he isn't. Whats the point of this thread? To trade him? To cut him? To bash him?

The point is to get read of illusions and move on with Steph or without.
He will not put us anywhere and it is time to let him go or use him acordingly like complimentary veteran player.

So how do we move on with or without Marbury? He will not be traded because he makes 20mil a season. He will not be cut. There is a 99.9999% chance that he will be on the team next season. Do you expect him to come off the bench for Mardy Collins this coming season?

We are stuck with Marbury not becuase of the illusion that he is going to lead us to a championship. But because he makes so much money. No team other than Minny who are only going to offer us multiple garbage contracts and ruin our flexability for an every longer period of time. Its also not realistic to believe that Isiah Thomas or Dolan is going to cut Marbury and eat his contract.
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5/30/2007  2:26 PM
I think some of us forget that Nash took the slow boat to China in his climb to being the Best PG and one of the Best Players in this league. He wasn't always at that level. Nash has had the benefit of playing many years with good teams and the current Coach and team he's on now are picture perfect for him. Don't fool yourselves into thinking he would've done this anywhere, cuz it takes a combination of factors sometimes to make the most out of a players skills. Nash is in that perfect situation now and he's flourished. Even Jordan couldn't make bad teams win and Nash aint Jordan. Meanwhile Steph played the MAJORITY of his career with awful teams. He's been THE best player on many of his teams with very little help in terms of another All Star type player. People tend to forget that stuff.

Also when Steph came into the league and joined the T'Wolves they have NEVER had any success and as soon as he got there the team started to win more and made the playoffs. He had 2 good players in KG and Gugs, so he didn't have to do everything himself. It's his fault that he didn't stay and do more, but I don't believe that Steph is a hindrance to winning that crap is circumstantial. He's not the reason this team has been losing. He's been asked to be more of a game manager now and he did a good job at that, but there's also Defense, which this team hasn't been good at. There's also the fact that in most every place Steph has played his teams were just getting started or trying to regroup or his best teammates were mostly young guys just getting started. KG, 2nd yr and 3rd yr, KVH 2nd yr, 3rd yr, KMart Rookie, Amare Rookie, part of 2nd yr. Here in NY he's had a LOT of change and only now are we starting to have any consistency with the roster and coach. This isn't to excuse Steph's faults, but if he was playing alongside Tim Duncan or Shaq i'm sure he'd have a title by now. Those things make a difference.

Now Steph still has a chance to do something with Curry here. It's a narrow window, but he at least has a chance to start winning. Hopefully this coming season things will come together and we'll get lucky and have reasonably good health.
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5/30/2007  4:37 PM
^ Why are you comparing Nash with Marbury?

That's like comparing filet mignon and a 7-11 hot dog.

Nix, if you like Steph, that's cool. You're entirely 100% wrong and delusional, but it's cool.
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5/30/2007  5:26 PM
Posted by Solace:

^ Why are you comparing Nash with Marbury?

That's like comparing filet mignon and a 7-11 hot dog.

OK, I admit it, as hyperbolic as this is, it made me LOL. :)

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