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sebstar
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5/17/2007  4:03 PM
What has Marbury done off the court that warrants him being viewed through such an impossibly suspicious prism? Are you guys being serious here? Nobody is comparing him to Ghandi, but a major endeavor that isnt completely driven by personal gain should always be commended. What are some of his critics doing to help those less fortunate and in impoverished communities?

If everybody, especially those in higher tax brackets, made even a small scale contribution to help those in need the world would be a much better spot.
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5/17/2007  4:59 PM
Posted by sebstar:

What has Marbury done off the court that warrants him being viewed through such an impossibly suspicious prism? Are you guys being serious here? Nobody is comparing him to Ghandi, but a major endeavor that isnt completely driven by personal gain should always be commended. What are some of his critics doing to help those less fortunate and in impoverished communities?

If everybody, especially those in higher tax brackets, made even a small scale contribution to help those in need the world would be a much better spot.


How is he "Changing the world"? Thats a pretty big statement to make.

How is selling inexpensive sneakers changing the world? What he is saying is that style still reigns over substance.

The Starbury brand is not the only inexpensive clothing line available. IN fact, Steve and Barrys have been around for a while now, as have Old Navy. Is changing the world selling urban style clothing to low income black families really that earth shattering? More so than selling to low income hispanics? White? Asian?

Take the same clothes Steve and Barry sells and put the "Starbury" Brand on it changes the world?

Where is the philiphrapic angle here? Please, tell me. ITs not like these clothes never existed before! Its not like Marbury is actually doing anything here.

The "movement" is marketing. How does he change the World?

Sorry to appear to be bashing the man, he is just marketing himself with a bravado of human importance that is just not substantial!

MLK changed the world, Ghandi changed the world, Nelson Mandela changed the world, Starbury labels on steve and barry clothes does not change the world.
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5/17/2007  5:40 PM
Marbs snickers go global?
Another good thing after BigMac coming form America.
$15 in India, China, Russia is a lot of money... I am not talking about Nigeria...
I guess this will be the chippest expensive snickers world can by...
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5/17/2007  5:40 PM
I guess Big Lots would also be considered charity, since charity is selling your product for less, even if it's purely a marketing strategy to make money.

Nice!

I can't wait for the Knicks charity where Dolan drops ticket prices $2. Excellent!
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5/17/2007  10:07 PM
Poor analogy. Marbury sells sneakers making probably 1/10 or less of the money he could makeand you compare it to a 2 dollar drop in 200+ dollar ticket sales. Nice.
Posted by Solace:

I guess Big Lots would also be considered charity, since charity is selling your product for less, even if it's purely a marketing strategy to make money.

Nice!

I can't wait for the Knicks charity where Dolan drops ticket prices $2. Excellent!

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Posted by TrueBlue:

This is so ridiculous!


I can't wait until he retires for good!


This takes the place of solving world hunger IMO!
MARBURY TEAMS UP WITH OPRAH
By MARC BERMAN

May 17, 2007 -- What do Stephon Marbury and Sarah Jessica Parker have in common? They both will appear on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" tomorrow.
In the largest coup in Marbury's attempt to spread the word on his $14.98 discount Starbury sneakers, the Knicks point guard will tape a 12-minute segment with Winfrey today in her Chicago studios.

The show will be broadcast locally tomorrow at 4 p.m. on WABC (Ch. 7). The last current NBA player to appear on the show was Kevin Garnett a year ago.
"I'm really excited," Marbury told The Post. "Last summer at my basketball tournament, I said I wanted to change up the world, and people thought I was crazy.

"To team up with people like Oprah and be in the presence of her; her voice speaks to a tremendous amount of worlds, the way she's perceived. Being able to do her show, we'll be able to convey to the whole country the message we're trying to convey."

Ironically, Marbury will compete against himself tomorrow, as his Oprah appearance goes directly against his own 4:30 p.m. talk show, "Stars on Stars," which features NFL legend Jim Brown as guest. Since the Knicks' season ended, Marbury has taped shows with Brown, Randy Moss and Marshall Faulk.

According to an industry source, Marbury's contract with Steve & Barry's, which exclusively sells Starbury sneakers, expires in two years. Marbury's sneakers will become a free agent with a source saying the plan is then to go global.
"It's beneficial for everybody, from the top of the pyramid to the bottom," Marbury said.

While in Chicago, Marbury plans to check in on teammate Eddy Curry, whom he lobbied for All-NBA center honors. Curry received two votes.
"I think he should have been third team," Marbury said. "It's the politics of the NBA."

Marbury arguably had his best all-around season despite the Knicks missing the playoffs, folding down the stretch and finishing 33-49. Marbury, who missed the last seven games with turf toe that still hasn't healed 100 percent, has watched most of the playoff games.

"It's very tough," Marbury said. "The worst thing to happen to us was not making the playoffs. The best thing to happen to us was not making the playoffs because it allowed us to see if we could stick together as a team and we did."

I could never stand her. The Queen of trash, did you see her on the Larry King show? What a phony. She and starbury go good together, rich and phoony.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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5/17/2007  11:54 PM
I think we often forget that Steph has been very generous in giving to charities and giving of his time to play in charitable events and so forth. He's one of the guys that does things all the time for people in his old hood and other places and yet some of you just want to slag on him for no good reason. It's extremely annoying to say the least.

The Sneaker thing is a very noble gesture and parents are benefitting from it. I'm a parent and i'm CERTAINLY going to go and shop for Starbury stuff, cuz my kids actually WANT IT and it's not expensive. If you have young kids and you can appreciate trying to save money while getting them things that are still cool and that they want, then you won't be so sarcastic towards this.
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5/17/2007  11:56 PM
Yeah, your right and I'm wrong. I shouldn't make a connection between his poor play on the court and what he does on the street. I'll try to keep it to the court.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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5/18/2007  8:37 AM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

Poor analogy. Marbury sells sneakers making probably 1/10 or less of the money he could makeand you compare it to a 2 dollar drop in 200+ dollar ticket sales. Nice.
Posted by Solace:

I guess Big Lots would also be considered charity, since charity is selling your product for less, even if it's purely a marketing strategy to make money.

Nice!

I can't wait for the Knicks charity where Dolan drops ticket prices $2. Excellent!

Either reducing prices to offer an inferior product is charity or isn't. And btw, sometimes you can find the same item of a more generic brand for 1/5 the price or less at a discount store. That isn't considered charity. It's considered good business. So is what Marbury's doing.
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5/18/2007  9:12 AM
Posted by Solace:

Either reducing prices to offer an inferior product is charity or isn't. And btw, sometimes you can find the same item of a more generic brand for 1/5 the price or less at a discount store. That isn't considered charity. It's considered good business. So is what Marbury's doing.

What the hell are you talking about? Inferior to what? Jordans or some other TOP brand? Certainly not all Sneakers are made equallly well. What does that have to do with Charity? What he's doing is more of a movement than a charity. He's not giving his sneakers away and by the way he has a full line of other clothes too, so it's not just sneakers. Also have you seen his sneaker line recently. There are far more different designs than the original limited offering.

GOOD business has nothing to do with reduced priced high end sneakers. That's actually just the way things go when you end up with lots of unsold product that is out of demand or being replaced. The mark up on high end sneakers is ridiculous no matter what the supposed quality level.

Do you have children? If so i'd be surprised that you wouldn't be happier about someone offering less expensive items for sale. My sons and daughter go thru sneakers like crazy. They wear them out and they grow out of them so fast. I shop at outlets and get reduced priced Nike's and such, but i'd also buy Steph's sneaks and clothes since my kids have no problem with the style and it's very affordable. Trust me it's a GOOD THING that he's doing this.
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5/18/2007  9:35 AM

My kids hate designer clothes or anything with labels. They think its being a poser to wear lablels and dress the part.

I am lucky as my kids don't want expensive clothes. I need not shop at discount places but my kids get a clothing allowance and they do themseves.

Do I understand what Starbury brings to the table for low income children to wear somthing they think is cool and it keeps their selfesteem up? Yeah, im down with that.

Do I think Starbury is a star? No.

Do I understand why Starbury has endorsement quality OUTSIDE of NYC? No.

Does Steve and Barry's have most of their stores around the country? Yes.

Does this endorsement deal really "Change the world"? Has he really set the retail cloting business on its side? Has he changed the way kids buy clothes? No.

Jacklyn SMith, a former Charlies Angel from the original TV show broke that barrier 20 years ago at K-mart by her endorsement of clothes. Martha Steward also promotes a line of goods at K-Mart that bought some Cred to the low end. Steve and Barry's did this a few years ago, and Old Navy has been around for a while now.

All Starbury has done is bring it to the black urban market.

Nix, im not suprised your kids want Starbury stuff. Im sure if I lived under your roof I'd be sporting many hoodies myself.

And I have a pair of the sneaks. They suck. Will they wear out fast? I wore them once and the tongue started falling apart. Is it good for a low income family to out fit them and feel good about it? Yeah, its a good thing. Does that change the world? Is that really a movement? No. Marbury giving away sneakers is not revolutionary. Getting kids to stay in school and out of gangs is a movment worthy of changing the world.

If he wanted to say "we are changing the retail world!", then I might buy that line.
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5/18/2007  9:49 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Nix, im not suprised your kids want Starbury stuff. Im sure if I lived under your roof I'd be sporting many hoodies myself.

What the HELL is that supposed to mean? For your information I don't live in NY any longer. I live in a 5,000 Sq. ft house with 6 bathrooms on a beautiful 1 acre lot in Georgia. I'm doing well enough that i don't HAVE to buy inexpensive clothes, but since my kids like his stuff I think it's a great bonus to have it available for a reasonable price. My daughter is going to college this fall and my sons are right behind her. They have varied tastes and don't always wear designer labels. I think you need to stop assuming things about people. IF you ever come to Atlanta I want you to email me and i'll invite you to my house and you can meet my family.

By the way Steph is still EXTREMELY popular among Knick fans. I think his name still carries clout with young Knick fans and kids in general. Don't forget that when he was younger and in his prime health wise, he played in Minny and Phx and he's been on TV so fans around the country KNOW who he is. His tours were very successful and as Steve and Barry's can attest his line is doing very well. You're saying it yourself that Steph is the guy that is bringing this idea to the Hip Hop crowd and youth in general. They're gonna accept it from him more than Smith or Stewart. What exactly is you problem with all of this?

[Edited by - nixluva on 05-18-2007 09:50 AM]
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5/18/2007  9:59 AM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

Poor analogy. Marbury sells sneakers making probably 1/10 or less of the money he could makeand you compare it to a 2 dollar drop in 200+ dollar ticket sales. Nice.
Posted by Solace:

I guess Big Lots would also be considered charity, since charity is selling your product for less, even if it's purely a marketing strategy to make money.

Nice!

I can't wait for the Knicks charity where Dolan drops ticket prices $2. Excellent!

no. this is a marketing, branding and selling thing. Just because you reduce price does not mean you are making less money. It means you think that by reducing prices volume will go up to make up the price difference. Plain and simple. If this were charity, Marb himself would take next to nothing and would make sure the proceeds go to the neighborhoods.

We don't praise Walmart cause they discount their prices over everything else out there.
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5/18/2007  10:00 AM
From these shoes to his Talk show Steph is only concerned about his imagine. Inside and Outside of New York most think he's a FRAUD and he is.
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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5/18/2007  10:11 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Solace:

Either reducing prices to offer an inferior product is charity or isn't. And btw, sometimes you can find the same item of a more generic brand for 1/5 the price or less at a discount store. That isn't considered charity. It's considered good business. So is what Marbury's doing.

What the hell are you talking about? Inferior to what? Jordans or some other TOP brand? Certainly not all Sneakers are made equallly well. What does that have to do with Charity? What he's doing is more of a movement than a charity. He's not giving his sneakers away and by the way he has a full line of other clothes too, so it's not just sneakers. Also have you seen his sneaker line recently. There are far more different designs than the original limited offering.

GOOD business has nothing to do with reduced priced high end sneakers. That's actually just the way things go when you end up with lots of unsold product that is out of demand or being replaced. The mark up on high end sneakers is ridiculous no matter what the supposed quality level.

Do you have children? If so i'd be surprised that you wouldn't be happier about someone offering less expensive items for sale. My sons and daughter go thru sneakers like crazy. They wear them out and they grow out of them so fast. I shop at outlets and get reduced priced Nike's and such, but i'd also buy Steph's sneaks and clothes since my kids have no problem with the style and it's very affordable. Trust me it's a GOOD THING that he's doing this.

No one said it's a bad thing. Big Lots is a good thing too. It's just not charity.

Charity is when you buy a box of organic cereal and they donate the profits to save the koalas. If Marbury wants to make his business a charity, he needs to donate the profits. Otherwise it's a business. A VERY smart business, but a business nonetheless.

And no I don't have any little brats.

Marbury is not a good person, so please stop trying to make this about more than it is: lining Marbury's pockets with even more money than his max contract affords him.
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5/18/2007  10:13 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

Poor analogy. Marbury sells sneakers making probably 1/10 or less of the money he could makeand you compare it to a 2 dollar drop in 200+ dollar ticket sales. Nice.
Posted by Solace:

I guess Big Lots would also be considered charity, since charity is selling your product for less, even if it's purely a marketing strategy to make money.

Nice!

I can't wait for the Knicks charity where Dolan drops ticket prices $2. Excellent!

no. this is a marketing, branding and selling thing. Just because you reduce price does not mean you are making less money. It means you think that by reducing prices volume will go up to make up the price difference. Plain and simple. If this were charity, Marb himself would take next to nothing and would make sure the proceeds go to the neighborhoods.

We don't praise Walmart cause they discount their prices over everything else out there.


Only a nutrider wouldn't be able to understand this Martin. It's 100% Authentic Gimmicking and it really pisses me off. Like I said Dekembe Motumbo is who we should be blowing up, Even Jerome Williams to a degree for all his ambassador work he does for the NBA, he's involved in far more humanitarian efforts than this Fraud. The fact Ben Wallace endorses the product and gets paid for it is comical. He needs to come out and just admit he's attaching his name to a Walmart equivalent product to help less fortunate families while running it as a business. This is in no way, shape, or form a movement.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-18-2007 09:16 AM]
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5/18/2007  10:14 AM
And again, Marbury doing this is a GOOD thing, but anyone who says this is charity is wrong. No opinions here, no discussion, they're flat out wrong.

My annoyance with this isn't Marbury, it's the retarded fans and media who actually think this is charity. It's a business. Get a grip, people.

And yes I hate Marbury, but I give him props for making a saavy business move.
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5/18/2007  10:26 AM
Posted by Solace:

And again, Marbury doing this is a GOOD thing, but anyone who says this is charity is wrong. No opinions here, no discussion, they're flat out wrong.

My annoyance with this isn't Marbury, it's the retarded fans and media who actually think this is charity. It's a business. Get a grip, people.

And yes I hate Marbury, but I give him props for making a saavy business move.


And my annoyance includes these people are the ones who'll go out claiming how much he's helped them out while going to Steve and Barrys and buying every style of Starbury 3 that's available at a time. He has about 7-12 styles out by now and if you multiply that by $15.00, it comes to anywhere between $105.00-$180.00. Yet these NITCHITTED NITWITS claimed they never had $100.00 to spend on a shoe to begin with. I saw someone post on Realgm saying they can't afford the Jordan's or similar priced shoes but went to Steve and Barry's and bought 4 pair of Starburies, a hoodie, a couple T-shirts, and some sweat pants. LMFAO @ this, Talk about GIMMICKING and OWNING Yourself.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-18-2007 09:27 AM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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5/18/2007  10:38 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Nalod:

Nix, im not suprised your kids want Starbury stuff. Im sure if I lived under your roof I'd be sporting many hoodies myself.

What the HELL is that supposed to mean? For your information I don't live in NY any longer. I live in a 5,000 Sq. ft house with 6 bathrooms on a beautiful 1 acre lot in Georgia. I'm doing well enough that i don't HAVE to buy inexpensive clothes, but since my kids like his stuff I think it's a great bonus to have it available for a reasonable price. My daughter is going to college this fall and my sons are right behind her. They have varied tastes and don't always wear designer labels. I think you need to stop assuming things about people. IF you ever come to Atlanta I want you to email me and i'll invite you to my house and you can meet my family.

By the way Steph is still EXTREMELY popular among Knick fans. I think his name still carries clout with young Knick fans and kids in general. Don't forget that when he was younger and in his prime health wise, he played in Minny and Phx and he's been on TV so fans around the country KNOW who he is. His tours were very successful and as Steve and Barry's can attest his line is doing very well. You're saying it yourself that Steph is the guy that is bringing this idea to the Hip Hop crowd and youth in general. They're gonna accept it from him more than Smith or Stewart. What exactly is you problem with all of this?

[Edited by - nixluva on 05-18-2007 09:50 AM]


Nix, My comment that your a dyed in the wool fan, and you said your sons WANT starbury stuff, so I said What I said based on your being a true fan (its ok to be a lover!!!) and not based on any economic judgement.

I was just in ATL and would love to break bread and watch a game with you! Its Knicks! Thats my team also!

I think my posts pretty spell out that I don't think what he is doing really anything special.
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5/18/2007  10:56 AM
I live midway between two towns: Newark, NJ and Livingston, NJ.

Newark has a median household income of $32,541 and a 14% white population.

Livingston has a median household income of $119,538 and a 81% white population.

Steve & Barry's is in Livingston, not Newark.

What about in NYC, surely there must be one in Brooklyn or the Bronx, right? Nope, midtown Manhattan and Westbury, Long Island.

S&B's is a chain that typically locates in affluent areas and targets college kids. Their specialty is khaki pants and tee-shirts with hip-dorky-catchy phrases on them. Most of their merchandise is an incredible value. Their shirts, button down included, sell for $6.98. I'm wearing a pair of their khakis now that I think I paid that much for too, or maybe $9, and they're every bit as good as stuff from GAP or Banana Republic. These are not sale prices, these are everyday prices.

My guess is that in analyzing ways to broaden their customer base they duly noted that their prices might appeal to lower income, "urban" families. But how to bring those families out to the burbs when they can get similar stuff locally at places like Conway's and K-Mart? Start an urban brand using a sport figure who's got a nationally recognized, but who's not in a position to demand money up-front. He can make his money on commission.

In either case, the lower income urban population are invited to travel to the malls in the high income, 80% white areas and pay MORE for the Starbury brand that is targeted to them than for anything else in the store. And we call this business model "socially responsible," "charitable" "world changing," etc? Why?

I really don't get all the hype. It's smart business the way K-Mart signing Martha Stewart was. Or the way Target signing the post-modern architect, Michael Graves was. You create a buzz in the press, raise the profile of the store, and expand your customer base.

BTW, congratulations to Ben Wallace for joining the movement and getting his first shoe deal in the process. Ben, I hope you're better at staying in shape over the summer while working your commission job than Steph was.

Basketball is just a hobby, but this is business.

[Edited by - blueseats on 05-18-2007 11:11 AM]
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