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Anji
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5/13/2007  9:10 PM
I didin't know trades were inculded in salary..... LOL, Bonn you are sounding like an out right ass this days. SMH


Cosign TB.......not the JC-Shane part though, the reason you may not want JC are not the reasons you in 20/20 sight would want to say clear of Marbury.
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5/13/2007  9:19 PM
Posted by Anji:

I didin't know trades were inculded in salary..... LOL, Bonn you are sounding like an out right ass this days. SMH


Cosign TB.......not the JC-Shane part though, the reason you may not want JC are not the reasons you in 20/20 sight would want to say clear of Marbury.



Yes they are. I want high IQ, defensive, team first, fundamentally sound, leaders, coachable, winner type players.
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5/13/2007  9:27 PM 

MIN 	FG% 	3P%     FT% 	OFF 	DEF 	TOT 	STL 	BLK 	TO 	PF 	AST 	PTS
35.5	.448	.415   .835	0.4	3.0	3.4	1.25	.29	2.39	3.43	6.3	16.6
37.2	.415	.357   .769	0.5	2.4	2.9	.96	.14	2.42	2.50	5.4	16.4

One player is on the second string all defensive team. One players shoots the same percentage from 3-pt range that the other players shoots overall. One player has more assists per game and less turnovers, more steals more blocks more rebounds and more points.



[Edited by - oldfan on 05-13-2007 9:27 PM]
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5/13/2007  10:04 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Anji:

I didin't know trades were inculded in salary..... LOL, Bonn you are sounding like an out right ass this days. SMH


Cosign TB.......not the JC-Shane part though, the reason you may not want JC are not the reasons you in 20/20 sight would want to say clear of Marbury.



Yes they are. I want high IQ, defensive, team first, fundamentally sound, leaders, coachable, winner type players.
And you saw JC give you all of that under Larry Brown.
I don't know about you, but Marbury was a dominate player stat wise.... He shouldn't be Denied that. He's almost toxic characteristic and inability to work with in the frame work of a team conspect is the reasons most shouldn't take him.

Winners??? Come on with the empty charater traits...... you put the worst players in a good situation and they are "winners".
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5/13/2007  10:12 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Anji:

I didin't know trades were inculded in salary..... LOL, Bonn you are sounding like an out right ass this days. SMH


Cosign TB.......not the JC-Shane part though, the reason you may not want JC are not the reasons you in 20/20 sight would want to say clear of Marbury.



Yes they are. I want high IQ, defensive, team first, fundamentally sound, leaders, coachable, winner type players.
And you saw JC give you all of that under Larry Brown.
I don't know about you, but Marbury was a dominate player stat wise.... He shouldn't be Denied that. He's almost toxic characteristic and inability to work with in the frame work of a team conspect is the reasons most shouldn't take him.

Winners??? Come on with the empty charater traits...... you put the worst players in a good situation and they are "winners".



Jamal over his career has been unbridled and uncoachable and the latter of which you said, Hinrich and Battier come from winning programs(Duke and Kansas) and helped maintain that stature. Not to mention, Battier was huge during the Grizz success, which was a bad situation for yrs.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-14-2007 09:47 AM]
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5/13/2007  10:21 PM
Why do you believe JC is Uncoachable???? I seen him called alot of things, never that.
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5/13/2007  10:37 PM
Posted by Anji:

Why do you believe JC is Uncoachable???? I seen him called alot of things, never that.


Throughout his career he's always had to be corralled in. Really he's the type of player you have to give freedom to or else he seems disconnected, dysfunctional. Doesn't appear to be capable of playing in a defined system night in and night out. Being able to chuck whenever you want, if it isn't the overall system, is not what I would call coachable. But maybe I'm off base here.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-14-2007 09:43 AM]
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5/14/2007  12:46 AM
Hinrich:
Very good on the ball defender
Takes a lot of charges
Can't buy a jump shot beyond 15 feet, not particularly quick, no left hand.
Takes care of the ball, runs the offense in a controlled system, but that's about it.
You can't pressure him and make him panic, because he rarely forces things.

The guy I just described is a back up point guard. In his defense he hasn't played outside of a very controlled system, but if you watch, his role in the offense is to swing the ball side to side, pass it to the cutter, and get a long reound if its there. He doesn't really thread the needle, and some times you need that in your PG when you're down to your 2nd or 3rd option or if the shot clock is down in tight situations; either that or take it upon himself to create a shot. I totally agree he's a PG version of Shane Battier and a gritty guy you want on your team, but with today's rules it's really more important in my opinion to have explosive guards who can pass and score from that position. If they can contain their man, that's great too. Marbury has shown he can guard well (shutting down Arenas and Ray Allen) but his attitude is that he plays D only when he wants to. As much as we hate on Marbury around here (and I'm one of the biggest marbury haters I'll admit), it's just disapointing every time I compare him to other guards, because it's so obvious that the only thing that held him back in his prime from having success was his attitude. Talent, the body, instincts... he had it all, just not the attitude. I like to think to myself that Chauncey Billups is what Marbury could have become if he had the attitude.
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5/14/2007  12:53 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Solace:

Maybe, but I wouldn't hestitate for a second in trading Cancerbury for Hinrich. Nor would anyone sane on this board. Period.

Well right now you would, cuz Steph is old, but that goes without saying.

No, it's not an age thing.
Posted by nixluva:

It's funny how Solace had to refer to Steph as Cancerbury. You would think that after this season he could simply give the guy credit for being a GOOD influence for most of the year. He was a good example of what we need players to be. Played hard on D and unselfish on O. What else could you ask for?

I highly disagree. I think the damage he's done to our young players deserves some notice. Played unselfishishly is debateable. Finally started playing defense after 11 years in the league is deplorable. He doesn't get credit for FINALLY trying. He gets knocked because he should've been trying much earlier.

The damage he's done to Ey Curry alone, enforcing the idea that Curry deserved an All-Star appearance (LOL!) and saying that Curry plays defense (ROFL!) is deplorable and will damage Curry's career forever. Get rid of the cancer now. Period.
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5/14/2007  7:41 AM
Can't buy a jump shot beyond 15 feet, not particularly quick, no left hand.
His shot is off now but he was over 40% from 3 point range in the regular season and almost 90% from the FT line.
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5/14/2007  9:09 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Anji:

Why do you believe JC is Uncoachable???? I seen him called alot of things, never that.


Throughout his career he's always had to be corralled in. Really he's the type of player that you have to give him freedom or else he seems disconnected, dysfunctional. Doesn't appear to be capable of playing in a defined system night in and night out. Being able to chuck whenever you want, if it isn't the overall system, is not what I would call coachable. But maybe I'm off base here.

He wasn't disconnected and dysfunctional with Larry Brown, and I don't think he had the freedom to do what he wanted with him there either.
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5/14/2007  9:28 AM
To me this is like comparing apples and oranges. I ask myself these question:

1) Would Heinrich on the Knicks make the Knicks better? I don't think so - the Knicks problems are bigger than that.

2) Would Marbury on the Bulls make them better? I don't think so. Heinrich is a better fit for that team, and it's hard to imagine Scott Skiles putting up with Steph (or vice versa).
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5/14/2007  9:34 AM
I actually think Heinrick is a better fit for this team for the Knicks, b/c he is more of a classic distributing point guard who can play defense, and that's exactly what we need, especially if we are going to build around Eddie Curry. I'm not saying if Steph or Kirk is a better player, but if we're building around fatty, I am forced to take Kirk and wish Steph well, b/c he can be a better fit on other teams.
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5/14/2007  9:51 AM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Anji:

Why do you believe JC is Uncoachable???? I seen him called alot of things, never that.


Throughout his career he's always had to be corralled in. Really he's the type of player that you have to give him freedom or else he seems disconnected, dysfunctional. Doesn't appear to be capable of playing in a defined system night in and night out. Being able to chuck whenever you want, if it isn't the overall system, is not what I would call coachable. But maybe I'm off base here.

He wasn't disconnected and dysfunctional with Larry Brown, and I don't think he had the freedom to do what he wanted with him there either.
Crawford had about 3 or 4 good weeks with Brown. It's hard to make much out of that small a sample. Let's not make it sound like he had a good season.
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5/14/2007  10:02 AM
If JC is so coachable why hasn't he improved at all over his career. Why doesn't he give you a defensive effort, a control effort, and produce wins
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5/14/2007  10:46 AM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Anji:

Why do you believe JC is Uncoachable???? I seen him called alot of things, never that.


Throughout his career he's always had to be corralled in. Really he's the type of player that you have to give him freedom or else he seems disconnected, dysfunctional. Doesn't appear to be capable of playing in a defined system night in and night out. Being able to chuck whenever you want, if it isn't the overall system, is not what I would call coachable. But maybe I'm off base here.

He wasn't disconnected and dysfunctional with Larry Brown, and I don't think he had the freedom to do what he wanted with him there either.

Yeah but one yr of being coachable while playing the rest of your career as dysfunctional is not what I would call coachable. He's one of those players you give a free pass to in order for him to comfortably produce. I don't particularly care for those type of players.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-14-2007 09:56 AM]
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5/15/2007  7:18 AM
Posted by Elite:

I just wanted to state that after watching these playoffs, Marbury is a better player and there is no way Kirk deserved that All-Defensive team nod over him

Marbury > Hinrich, but I'd rather have Hinrich on my team than Marbury.

what does that tell you?
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5/15/2007  7:54 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Elite:

I just wanted to state that after watching these playoffs, Marbury is a better player and there is no way Kirk deserved that All-Defensive team nod over him

Marbury > Hinrich, but I'd rather have Hinrich on my team than Marbury.

what does that tell you?

That you feel the trend will continue -- when the Knicks get rid of Marbury, they'll have a Nets/Suns-like boost.
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5/15/2007  8:44 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Elite:

I just wanted to state that after watching these playoffs, Marbury is a better player and there is no way Kirk deserved that All-Defensive team nod over him

Marbury > Hinrich, but I'd rather have Hinrich on my team than Marbury.

what does that tell you?

That you feel the trend will continue -- when the Knicks get rid of Marbury, they'll have a Nets/Suns-like boost.

great... i can't wait for 2012 to come around when Marbury's extension comes off the books.
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5/16/2007  11:00 AM
the value of leadership and court awareness especially from the lead guard spot is why Hinrich's team is in the post-season once again and we're still talking about one-on-one Steph takes him all day.

Hinrich hands down.
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