Posted by BigSm00th:

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05-08-2007 03:45 AM Show Profile Reply with Quote Pacers will not be taking back Francis in any deal and they for surely will make ISAYUGH bend over on any potential trade. If it were to happen just be prepared for the inevitable unprotected Lottery Picks being given away. The Pacers have all the leverage at this point, they really don't need to trade J.O.

The Pacers have no leverage if JO demands a trade. Thats absurd. to say that "jo is under contract", um, do you guys follow the NBA or just spend your time on knicks message boards bashing isiah thomas? if players demnad trades they get traded. if said player demands a trade to NY, there's really nothing they can do about it.

plus i love the speculation killing by the goon squad of pecimissim, IE true blue (yea right is this an attempt at irony) and isles fan saying 'its sam smith, its just a rumor, IT's gonna get bent over backwards and give up a million draft picks, i hate the knicks, blah blah blah' when this is probably the 5th time i've seen a link saying JO might get moved, JO wants to play in NY with isiah.

if JO demands a trade to NY, bird cant call up Isiah and demand a bevy of draft picks and such, isiah will just hang up and say 'enjoy having a $20 million malcontent sitting out'.

exactly, and it is the very reason when Ewing asked for his freedom, we got bent over for the likes of eisley, anderson and Luc longley... Now Oneal is a younger player but what is Indy going to do? JO already feels he was duped by Bird when he made it seem like Isiah was staying and when JO resigned he canned Isiah. Pay back is a mutha!

Posted by BigSm00th:

When did KG enter the equation? If anything he's going to LA. JO is the guy with Isiah connections and the trade demands after how poorly that team destruced last season.

VMART the Knicks need a PF that can score and pass? I mean are ppl forgetting we're talking about Jermaine O'Neal, the dudes averaged 20/10/2 for like half a decade. It boggles my mind how some of you would not attempt a trade for a 5x all star that isnt giving up lee, balkman, or collins. for francis, jeffries, and frye!?!?!? for jermaine o'neal? where do i sign up? yea he's had injury problem but with all of the forwards this team has he could easily have to play only 30 minutes a night and not wear down. you see this guy trudging up and down the court this year? plays hard man, dont see why you wouldnt want him.

If we're talking about keeping our best young prospects you can't have any problem with the trade. I am in favor of standing pat if we're talking about moving Lee, but if we keep him, Balk and Collins, what woud be the problem? If we make the trade smaller, say Francis and Frye, plus a future pick, that might be something that Bird would go for. It works financially and gives them some value in the future from the pick.

Posted by Bippity10:

It all depends on what you give up. The core at this point seems to be Curry, Balkman, Collins. Not sure who else is definitely part of that long-term core. So does it really hurt us to go after one of these guys? Who on this roster would we give up that would destroy our future? Anyone? Anyone that valuable?

To me unless you get rid of 3 or 4 young guys and destroy any type of future development, I have no problem going after one of these guys.

i think it's a bad decision to leave lee out of that core. he has a much better body of work than the rookies.

With Ike and Murphy Indy has two bangers at forward. They don't need Dlee.

Plus with Dunlevy and Murphy what would make 3 white dudes on the team.
They could use a finese player like Frye.

They can take francis if we take a bad contract in return. This way we subsidize the deal for them.

If we get J.O. can we make fun of his ears or is that not cool?

Posted by BigSm00th:

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05-08-2007 03:45 AM Show Profile Reply with Quote Pacers will not be taking back Francis in any deal and they for surely will make ISAYUGH bend over on any potential trade. If it were to happen just be prepared for the inevitable unprotected Lottery Picks being given away. The Pacers have all the leverage at this point, they really don't need to trade J.O.

The Pacers have no leverage if JO demands a trade. Thats absurd. to say that "jo is under contract", um, do you guys follow the NBA or just spend your time on knicks message boards bashing isiah thomas? if players demnad trades they get traded. if said player demands a trade to NY, there's really nothing they can do about it.

plus i love the speculation killing by the goon squad of pecimissim, IE true blue (yea right is this an attempt at irony) and isles fan saying 'its sam smith, its just a rumor, IT's gonna get bent over backwards and give up a million draft picks, i hate the knicks, blah blah blah' when this is probably the 5th time i've seen a link saying JO might get moved, JO wants to play in NY with isiah.

if JO demands a trade to NY, bird cant call up Isiah and demand a bevy of draft picks and such, isiah will just hang up and say 'enjoy having a $20 million malcontent sitting out'.

You mean the way the Phoenix Suns had no leverage and were stuck with a $20 million malcontent but Isiah happily bent over for a player he desperately wanted to make a big splash?

You mean the way the Orlando Magic had no leverage and were stuck with a $20 million malcontent but Isiah bent over anyway?

You mean the way the Toronto Raptors had no leverage and were stuck with a $15 million malcontent but Isiah bent over anyway?

You mean the way the Chicago Bulls had no leverage and were stuck with a $10 million out of shape center with a heart ailment but Isiah gladly bent over anyway?

You're right, Isiah would never get taken like that.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by BigSm00th:

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05-08-2007 03:45 AM Show Profile Reply with Quote Pacers will not be taking back Francis in any deal and they for surely will make ISAYUGH bend over on any potential trade. If it were to happen just be prepared for the inevitable unprotected Lottery Picks being given away. The Pacers have all the leverage at this point, they really don't need to trade J.O.

The Pacers have no leverage if JO demands a trade. Thats absurd. to say that "jo is under contract", um, do you guys follow the NBA or just spend your time on knicks message boards bashing isiah thomas? if players demnad trades they get traded. if said player demands a trade to NY, there's really nothing they can do about it.

plus i love the speculation killing by the goon squad of pecimissim, IE true blue (yea right is this an attempt at irony) and isles fan saying 'its sam smith, its just a rumor, IT's gonna get bent over backwards and give up a million draft picks, i hate the knicks, blah blah blah' when this is probably the 5th time i've seen a link saying JO might get moved, JO wants to play in NY with isiah.

if JO demands a trade to NY, bird cant call up Isiah and demand a bevy of draft picks and such, isiah will just hang up and say 'enjoy having a $20 million malcontent sitting out'.

You mean the way the Phoenix Suns had no leverage and were stuck with a $20 million malcontent but Isiah happily bent over for a player he desperately wanted to make a big splash?

You mean the way the Orlando Magic had no leverage and were stuck with a $20 million malcontent but Isiah bent over anyway?

You mean the way the Toronto Raptors had no leverage and were stuck with a $15 million malcontent but Isiah bent over anyway?

You mean the way the Chicago Bulls had no leverage and were stuck with a $10 million out of shape center with a heart ailment but Isiah gladly bent over anyway?

You're right, Isiah would never get taken like that.

May I add where is Corey Magette playing currently? Oh that's right in Clipper Land after he's demanded to be traded the past 2 seasons. How has it worked out so far for Pau Gasol, who currently has stated the Grizzlies won't trade him?

The Pacers have absolutely nothing to fret over if J.O. truly demands a trade. They'll either get the value they need or he'll remain and change his tune. You make it sound like "uh oh J.O. wants out" Pacers can now only deal for Steve Bumchise LOL!

Oh and can you please site the 5 different references that actually come from Jermaine O'neal that says he wants to play here? And it's not earth shattering, most players want to play at the Mecca of basketball but nowadays the only way that happens is if we bend over.

Posted by Bippity10:

I would include him in my core. But I think Isiah would trade him in an instant.

I agree, I'm a fan of Lee, so he is on my personal core.

But Isiah may believe that Balkman can bring everything Lee brings + better defense. And he might be right.

Say he is...how much sense does it make to have two pf-sf tweeners on your core bringing largely the same skill-set? How much sense does it make when one of them has (presumably) accrued quite a bit of trade value and may be used to acquire a far more useful piece, such as a shot-blocker or a jump-shooter?

I'm not in favor of trading Lee for a high risk older player who may not slide in easily to the burgeoning system we have in place. The risk that it not work out is just too high, and Lee will be out there producing for another team. But if the risk/reward is right, Lee isn't untouchable.

isles, true blue, my entire post was concluded with "if JO demands a trade to NY." i think you missed that.

how did the suns bend over the knicks for marbury? we gave them a bunch of trash and expiring contracts and got the piece isiah wanted to build with in marbury. what, you guys still upset about milos vujanic and maciej? gimme a break.

i think enough have been talked about re: the magic and that deal. what, we gave up an expiring contract which larry brown apparently wanted yadda yadda yadda, what'd we lose? penny, who retired, and ariza, who has been supplanted by balkman and lee. and now if francis yields JO, you still gonna be bitching?

the raptors trade was stupid.

the bulls trade he got bent over. he also got bent over by the agents of jerome james and jared jeffries.

that's a .500 track record to me. most of his moves are misguided (francis) and/or don't help the team (rose). to me, this is neither.

Posted by BigSm00th:

isles, true blue, my entire post was concluded with "if JO demands a trade to NY." i think you missed that.

how did the suns bend over the knicks for marbury? we gave them a bunch of trash and expiring contracts and got the piece isiah wanted to build with in marbury. what, you guys still upset about milos vujanic and maciej? gimme a break.


i think enough have been talked about re: the magic and that deal. what, we gave up an expiring contract which larry brown apparently wanted yadda yadda yadda, what'd we lose? penny, who retired, and ariza, who has been supplanted by balkman and lee. and now if francis yields JO, you still gonna be bitching?

the raptors trade was stupid.

the bulls trade he got bent over. he also got bent over by the agents of jerome james and jared jeffries.

that's a .500 track record to me. most of his moves are misguided (francis) and/or don't help the team (rose). to me, this is neither.

Dude they also traded away 2 lottery picks, while acquiring Penny's ugly contract only to have that dealt away to Orlando along with Ariza for Steve Francis who we almost bought out this yr and still may this summer LOL!

Dude how is Francis going to yeild J.O. when his market value has been set and declined since trading for him. Francis was traded for Penny who was on his last leg and Ariza...... value set. Then while on the Knicks he was almost bought out and exiled from the team during the season..... value almost totally shot. There's no conceivable way he gets this team J.O., not to mention he's not even an expiring contract.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-08-2007 12:32 PM]