Posted by highfivesucka:

i still don't get why people are talking about trading Lee. he plays hard and produces results, and he's the one on the block? I mean isn't it the other guys who need to start producing or ship out? Francis, Jeffries, Frye, James, etc? he's not untouchable, nobody on the roster is, but imo you exhaust every possible option when trying to get a player like JO who has so many miles on his body, and even when you're down to your last option you rethink whether its really worth it in the long run.

Posted by bigbeast:

Posted by highfivesucka:

i still don't get why people are talking about trading Lee. he plays hard and produces results, and he's the one on the block? I mean isn't it the other guys who need to start producing or ship out? Francis, Jeffries, Frye, James, etc? he's not untouchable, nobody on the roster is, but imo you exhaust every possible option when trying to get a player like JO who has so many miles on his body, and even when you're down to your last option you rethink whether its really worth it in the long run.

I dont think anyone here wants to see Lee traded. However, Oneal is an allstar, and if the Knicks really want him, Indy is gonna want value in return. Despite being screwed by GS in that trade, Walsh is a schrewed GM and I can't see him taking back a package of Francis, Frye etc....We as fans complain about how soft Frye is.....how Francis overdribbles, doesn't fit into a structured offense, etc....dont you think a GM of Walshes stature can see the same weaknesses in these players? If so why would he want them if we dont. Bottom line, if we want an allstar type player, we have to give up something of value and Lee is the startig point.....

Posted by Masterplan:

Posted by bigbeast:

I dont want to come off like I'm endorsing a package of Lee for O'neal. Personally, I'd rather see us keep our youth and build with more youth. However, whether O'neal made the allstar team last yr is irrelevant. Shaq made the allstar team. Was he an allstar? J Oneal put up 19 pts, 10rbs and nearly 3 blks per. Those are allstar numbers, allstar team or no. He's also been on several allstar teams which is something Lee does not have on his resume.

I understand Knick fans love Lee's hustle and all but come on, he's not on J O's level as a player. J O plays both ends of the floor, has the ability to be a number 1 option on offense....its not even that close other than in the minds of Knick fans. Lets be objective here.

but why should we give up assets and youth for ANOTHER #1 option on offense?

Posted by franco12:

Posted by bigbeast:

Posted by Masterplan:

Posted by bigbeast:

I dont want to come off like I'm endorsing a package of Lee for O'neal. Personally, I'd rather see us keep our youth and build with more youth. However, whether O'neal made the allstar team last yr is irrelevant. Shaq made the allstar team. Was he an allstar? J Oneal put up 19 pts, 10rbs and nearly 3 blks per. Those are allstar numbers, allstar team or no. He's also been on several allstar teams which is something Lee does not have on his resume.

I understand Knick fans love Lee's hustle and all but come on, he's not on J O's level as a player. J O plays both ends of the floor, has the ability to be a number 1 option on offense....its not even that close other than in the minds of Knick fans. Lets be objective here.

but why should we give up assets and youth for ANOTHER #1 option on offense?

As I said at the top of my post, I'm not endorsing a trade for J O. I'm not sure how he would fit next to Curry. My only point in this thread was to dispute the notion that giving up Lee ( role player) was too much for J O (a proven allstar).

Whether or not Lee turns into anything more than a role player- debatable.

I do not think its debatable that JO will be 29 when the next season starts and that of late, he's been injured a lot.

Sorry, to me, that is a has been all star.

And Lee brings effort, something sorely lacking on this team.

And, Lee is cheap.

Its also not debatable as to whether JO is cheap. He isn't.

Posted by ramtour420:

Posted by bigbeast:

[quote]Posted by franco12:

[quote]Posted by bigbeast:

[quote]Posted by Masterplan:

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Will Lee ever reach the level that J O has reached? debatable unlikely.


[Edited by - bigbeast on 05-08-2007 1:10 PM]

[Edited by - bigbeast on 05-08-2007 1:11 PM]

How do you figure???