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MS
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5/3/2007  1:47 PM
The funny thing is we would be in great shape right now had we not made the eddy curry deal. We would have had lee, balkman, thomas, collins, great pick and a future blueprint.

But we need to make up for the fact that eddy is so one dimensional he needs to be catered to at every position
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5/3/2007  1:54 PM
Posted by MS:

The funny thing is we would be in great shape right now had we not made the eddy curry deal. We would have had lee, balkman, thomas, collins, great pick and a future blueprint.

But we need to make up for the fact that eddy is so one dimensional he needs to be catered to at every position

and who knows if there would have been deals we could have made at the trading deadline to help other teams (like crawford) that would have netted us a pick this year or next, but because our fearless leader gambled everything with the curry trade and unprotected picks, we couldn't entertain.

Gosh- we could have just tanked it to try to get Oden like Boston did.
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5/3/2007  2:07 PM
there is a sexual harrasment trial on the horizon.
there is a lottery on may 22nd where the bulls may get #1, 2 or 3. or use the pick in a package for kg/jo.
there will be some pressure to make the playoffs next season.

i think there are alot of factors that could rock the boat for isiah's gm'ing tenure here.

if that's the case, the best course of action would be for one not to add anymore future payroll and no giving up of draft picks.

1 year from today, we won't have any idea who the gm is. we don't want to put that guy, if isiah's fired, further in the hole.

dolan should veto any trade.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-03-2007 2:07 PM]
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5/3/2007  2:27 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

there is a sexual harrasment trial on the horizon.
there is a lottery on may 22nd where the bulls may get #1, 2 or 3. or use the pick in a package for kg/jo.
there will be some pressure to make the playoffs next season.

i think there are alot of factors that could rock the boat for isiah's gm'ing tenure here.

if that's the case, the best course of action would be for one not to add anymore future payroll and no giving up of draft picks.

1 year from today, we won't have any idea who the gm is. we don't want to put that guy, if isiah's fired, further in the hole.

dolan should veto any trade.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-03-2007 2:07 PM]
If you're gonna veto every trade your GM makes (and veto MLE signings too perhaps), then you shouldn't have hired (or re-signed) the GM.
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5/3/2007  2:29 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

there is a sexual harrasment trial on the horizon.
there is a lottery on may 22nd where the bulls may get #1, 2 or 3. or use the pick in a package for kg/jo.
there will be some pressure to make the playoffs next season.

i think there are alot of factors that could rock the boat for isiah's gm'ing tenure here.

if that's the case, the best course of action would be for one not to add anymore future payroll and no giving up of draft picks.

1 year from today, we won't have any idea who the gm is. we don't want to put that guy, if isiah's fired, further in the hole.

dolan should veto any trade.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-03-2007 2:07 PM]
If you're gonna veto every trade your GM makes (and veto MLE signings too perhaps), then you shouldn't have hired (or re-signed) the GM.

what i posted was an ideal world situation.

but it's also probably the best course of action. keep developing the guys we have now and see where it goes. i believe we have to make a bunch of changes, but for the best interests for the team long term (taking into account the owner and the gm), standing pat is the way to go.
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5/3/2007  2:36 PM
Posted by MS:

The funny thing is we would be in great shape right now had we not made the eddy curry deal. We would have had lee, balkman, thomas, collins, great pick and a future blueprint.

But we need to make up for the fact that eddy is so one dimensional he needs to be catered to at every position

We wouldn't have Balkman in your scenario because Isiah wouldn't have felt the need to trade for Torontos pick had he not given up his own to Chicago.

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5/3/2007  2:39 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by MS:

The funny thing is we would be in great shape right now had we not made the eddy curry deal. We would have had lee, balkman, thomas, collins, great pick and a future blueprint.

But we need to make up for the fact that eddy is so one dimensional he needs to be catered to at every position

We wouldn't have Balkman in your scenario because Isiah wouldn't have felt the need to trade for Torontos pick had he not given up his own to Chicago.


Which means we would have potentially Brandon Roy to build around.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-03-2007 2:18 PM]
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5/3/2007  3:09 PM
Exactly Brandon Roy is going to be a great player in this league. And we could have picked up a Brewer or jeff green this year or opted for conley jr.

Isiah is so short sighted and dumb, the lakers were in need of a serious upgrade at their pg position and don't have a lot of room to improve.

Mihm, Mckie for Crawford would have worked and I am willing to bet we could have got a draft selection out of that. I still think LA would be open to that deal, we need to move guys that contribute to losing like crawford (game winners don't count if he shoots you out of half your games).

Watching Kurt Thomas last night I think the team would have been much better with him in the lineup expiring at the end of next season, instead we have q who can't be moved and a little child. Isiah missed out on ellis and turiaf in the second round either of which could have been had with our original draft selection we traded to move up two spots and take on malik rose......

Everyone talks about this supposed salary cap issue the Knicks have when in reality, Isiah added Francis, Rose, Jefferies, James and Q. And coming into next summer we would have been close to under the cap if he doesn't make terrible rush moves.

The only time Marbury really had a team fit to win was Van Horn, Doleac, and Thomas three guys that could have worked with the pick and role, and interestingly enough the knicks would have been very close the playoffs had we had deke and kvh this year, and you can bet on it. KVH would have spread the floor for curry, and deke still plays great defense and played better than eddy when yao went down.......

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Mutumbo 30min 6.4pts 12.4rbs 1.6blks 66%fg 79%ft 1.2tos
Eddy 37min 20.3pts 7.5rbs 0.5lks 63%fg 62%ft 3.9tos

I bring this up simply because he throw this guy away and trashed him and then signed Jerome James, Channing Frye, Calvin Kato, etc
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5/3/2007  3:10 PM
It seems that most of the guys that are spoken of are about as old as Steph and I think it's just too risky to go after a KG or JO at this point. Those guys are nearer to the end and we've got a better shot at improving this team if we stand pat. 2 years isn't that far away and at that point we'll still have a relatively young team and more options.

We can focus on developing the players we have and seeing how good they can truly be. THEN we can assess our needs better. If we get a KG or JO, we still will have holes and it's not a lock that we'd be a title contender. I think we can become a playoff team with the guys we have and minor additions/changes. We'd have a chance for a longer run than if we add a star vet. Let these guys learn and grow. Hopefully we'll draft another solid player.
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5/3/2007  3:39 PM
I agree, right now we need to focus on moving three players, Crawford, Nate, and Francis.

We need to find a way to up the trade value of frye and get curry into shape. Miami is going to be terrible in two years and Shaq will be retired. Enter Dwane Wade to play next to marty collins, david lee, balkman, and curry. His star will shine brighter than lebron and we will have good role playing talent around him
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5/3/2007  4:03 PM
Posted by nixluva:

It seems that most of the guys that are spoken of are about as old as Steph and I think it's just too risky to go after a KG or JO at this point. Those guys are nearer to the end and we've got a better shot at improving this team if we stand pat. 2 years isn't that far away and at that point we'll still have a relatively young team and more options.

We can focus on developing the players we have and seeing how good they can truly be. THEN we can assess our needs better. If we get a KG or JO, we still will have holes and it's not a lock that we'd be a title contender. I think we can become a playoff team with the guys we have and minor additions/changes. We'd have a chance for a longer run than if we add a star vet. Let these guys learn and grow. Hopefully we'll draft another solid player.

I love the way you're setting it up for it to be ok for the Knicks to underachieve for another 2 years. That's great stuff.
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5/3/2007  4:10 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nixluva:

It seems that most of the guys that are spoken of are about as old as Steph and I think it's just too risky to go after a KG or JO at this point. Those guys are nearer to the end and we've got a better shot at improving this team if we stand pat. 2 years isn't that far away and at that point we'll still have a relatively young team and more options.

We can focus on developing the players we have and seeing how good they can truly be. THEN we can assess our needs better. If we get a KG or JO, we still will have holes and it's not a lock that we'd be a title contender. I think we can become a playoff team with the guys we have and minor additions/changes. We'd have a chance for a longer run than if we add a star vet. Let these guys learn and grow. Hopefully we'll draft another solid player.

I love the way you're setting it up for it to be ok for the Knicks to underachieve for another 2 years. That's great stuff.

Main thing Isiah should get his millions for as long as possible...
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5/3/2007  4:50 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nixluva:

It seems that most of the guys that are spoken of are about as old as Steph and I think it's just too risky to go after a KG or JO at this point. Those guys are nearer to the end and we've got a better shot at improving this team if we stand pat. 2 years isn't that far away and at that point we'll still have a relatively young team and more options.

We can focus on developing the players we have and seeing how good they can truly be. THEN we can assess our needs better. If we get a KG or JO, we still will have holes and it's not a lock that we'd be a title contender. I think we can become a playoff team with the guys we have and minor additions/changes. We'd have a chance for a longer run than if we add a star vet. Let these guys learn and grow. Hopefully we'll draft another solid player.

I love the way you're setting it up for it to be ok for the Knicks to underachieve for another 2 years. That's great stuff.

Now this is why we keep getting into arguments. At what point did I say ANYTHING about this team underachieving? I'm not even insinuating anything like that. i just said that I think we can become a playoff team with the guys we have and minor additions/changes. How is that setting up things to be OK for underachieving. You need to stop putting thoughts and words in my mouth and speak only for yourself. If anything i'm challenging Isiah's moves so far, by saying we need to see how good these players he's drafted really are. That includes Morris and this years pick.

I want this team to succeed and have thought about different trades that might help, but after looking at the options i've come to the conclusion that I'd rather see just how good Lee can get before we just trade him for some banged up Vet star. That goes for all the young guys. What is wrong with that?
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5/3/2007  10:04 PM
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I'd have to consider it. While I love what Lee brings, he's not a star. And right now if Marbury is part of the plans (MEGA BARF), you need to go for the win in the next few years. Curry, Jermaine, Balkman, Q, Craw, Marbury and Mardy as your core makes you competitive enough to likely be among the top 5 teams in the east. Not good enough to win a championship, but an improvement. It's still another trade past that to move into the upper eschelon, but I guess if Isiah's mandate is playoffs, this is the move. I'm pretty confident we will peak higher with Jermaine than we would with Lee... and that's no disrespect to Lee.

depends on what Bird wants in return... i have a hard time imagining he'd trade him to a conference rival & to a guy he despises for just a package of D Lee & spare parts... there'd probably have to involve Mardy as well as a pick or 2, & us taking back another albatross contract like Jamaal Tinsley.
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