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rvwink
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5/2/2007  5:06 PM
I don't have a problem with a player, who doesn't play good defense now, but can grow into the role. Stuckey appears to have the body and speed to play good defense. Adding Almond to Crawford, gives us two offensive minded 2 quards with doubtful defensive capabilities. This leaves us with a critical flaw in our team defense. Isiah needs to draft someone with the potential to be a strong 2 way player.

My point about someone saying lets get two picks instead of one, is that we already have two rookies joining out lineup this fall. It seems to me that instead of trying to add another pick. If the Knicks wanted to improve their draft by trading one of their young players, the biggest likelihood would be to package a young player as a way to move down in the first round with their existing pick.

Frankly, I would rather increase our defensive capability at SG, by drafting a 2 way player, rather than adding a shot blocker, who has repeatedly showed flawed character by letting his team down again and again.
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5/2/2007  7:10 PM
Posted by rvwink:

I don't have a problem with a player, who doesn't play good defense now, but can grow into the role. Stuckey appears to have the body and speed to play good defense. Adding Almond to Crawford, gives us two offensive minded 2 quards with doubtful defensive capabilities. This leaves us with a critical flaw in our team defense. Isiah needs to draft someone with the potential to be a strong 2 way player.

My point about someone saying lets get two picks instead of one, is that we already have two rookies joining out lineup this fall. It seems to me that instead of trying to add another pick. If the Knicks wanted to improve their draft by trading one of their young players, the biggest likelihood would be to package a young player as a way to move down in the first round with their existing pick.

Frankly, I would rather increase our defensive capability at SG, by drafting a 2 way player, rather than adding a shot blocker, who has repeatedly showed flawed character by letting his team down again and again.

To me--the bottom line is in th numbers--we were SECOND to worst in 3pt % differential[huge stats] and second to last in shotblocking[in my mind another big stat] but we did compensate in rebounding and high % post play. At the end of the year we collapsed because of outside shooting--not defense. Players who want to play hard and move their feet can play good D especially @ 6-6 225 with long arms.
Just look at this league--where it is going--how can it be acceptable to be 2nd to last in 3 point differential? How do you improve it--get longer athletes who can use their length on defense and bring in high % shooters.
Crawford is our 6-4 combo guard why do we need another one? It keeps us small--when we face a team with a 6-7 guard--they have 3 inches and probably 20 pounds on those guys.
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5/2/2007  11:13 PM
"To me--the bottom line is in th numbers--we were SECOND to worst in 3pt % differential[huge stats] and second to last in shotblocking[in my mind another big stat] but we did compensate in rebounding and high % post play."

2 reasons. 1) Our two primary 3 point shooters were both injured. That would do it. Second, most of our SG and SF players, were not strong defenders.


"Crawford is our 6-4 combo guard why do we need another one? It keeps us small--when we face a team with a 6-7 guard--they have 3 inches and probably 20 pounds on those guys."

Fundamental difference between Crawford and and Stuckey is that Stuckey has the potential to be a lock down defender, whereas Crawford appears to not have that ability. If Stuckey develops as expected, a two way player can replace what is primarily a one way player. Eventually, all of the Knicks will need to be two way players. Balkman, and Collins will need to improve their outside shot. Lee will need to improve both his defense and his outside shot. Curry needs to make strides on his defensive game during the current off season. Crawford may not be a viable piece of the Knick's team longer term, unless he can figure out a way to improve his defensive game. Stuckey has the potential to be that 2 way player. Almond does not as far as I can tell.

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5/3/2007  12:40 AM
Seriuosly, who the hell is Stuckey to be the "only" or "best option". Yeah I have seen his scouting report, but pretty much that's all anybody has seen of this guy. I kinda find it hard to believe that D wades college clone got coverage until the end of the year after nobody could see him play. Two way player??? All he really is, is a Mock draft write up to 99 percent of people who follow the knicks.
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5/3/2007  4:48 AM
ah bigsmooth, let me elaborate

Stuckey isn't a shooter, he's an explosive slasher, good passer with a decent midrange game. He's on a pretty crappy team and despite all this, when he has to, shoots a 3 at 25%. Isn't a good % but it is more a last resort 3pt shot with Stuckey.
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5/3/2007  8:10 PM
If you crave short term approval, you can draft a great shooter, and gain favor with the fan's when he scores. But ultimately, if you are trying to build a championship team, your players need to be able to play both offensive and defense efficiently. I am not interested in short term fixes, and hopefully, Isiah now has a contract which lets him think longer term as well.

My perception is that Stuckey has the ability to play both offense and defense. Surely there are other draft prospects with the same ability, but I like his passing ability and his being able to slash to the hole successfully. Also clearly he is young enough, so that the fact that his long range shooting is not high percentage, does not mean it won't get signficantly better with time. On the other hand, the review I read about Almond was that he seemed a step slow on defense. It is not clear to me that being a step slow can be corrected with good coaching and alot of practice. That's why Almond doesn't seem like a good long term solution to me.
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5/3/2007  9:54 PM
Posted by rvwink:

If you crave short term approval, you can draft a great shooter, and gain favor with the fan's when he scores. But ultimately, if you are trying to build a championship team, your players need to be able to play both offensive and defense efficiently. I am not interested in short term fixes, and hopefully, Isiah now has a contract which lets him think longer term as well.

My perception is that Stuckey has the ability to play both offense and defense. Surely there are other draft prospects with the same ability, but I like his passing ability and his being able to slash to the hole successfully. Also clearly he is young enough, so that the fact that his long range shooting is not high percentage, does not mean it won't get signficantly better with time. On the other hand, the review I read about Almond was that he seemed a step slow on defense. It is not clear to me that being a step slow can be corrected with good coaching and alot of practice. That's why Almond doesn't seem like a good long term solution to me.

First off he did time out as one of the fastest players last year @ the pre drfat camp. He has the speed and agility. If his times were slow--maybe you'd have a legit point--but that is not the case--he has long arms he's 6-6 220 and has very good speed. On top of it--I view him as an Allan Houston clone in many ways. Tell me how this team could not use an Allan Houston? I don't view this player as a short term fix--I view him as a stud prospect who likely will not be there when we pick anyway.
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5/3/2007  10:38 PM
In no particular order..

Morris Almond - guy is a good shooter and has size at the 2-gurad. this team has no real shooting guards and desperetly needs shooters.

Derrick Byars - two way player who is a good leader. often compared to Shane Battier (Knicks could definetly use a player like that). Good set shooter and a solid defender. would be a good fit at small foward or shooting guard.

Javaris Crittenton - he's a 6-5 athletic pure point guard. loads of potential. he doesnt really fit in with the current roster but would be great value with # 23. Is a hard worker and also plays defense as well.

Marco Belinelli - Great outside shooter, he seems to have endless range. Watching this guy shoot is a thing of beauty. He has good handle and is a pretty good passer. Not a good defender.

Acie Law - its a stretch that he would fall that far but it's possible that in workouts Crittenton could pass him as he has more potential than Law. Law is a winner, which is the most appealing thing about him for this team. We need to bring in winners.

other names that could fall to us or should be considered...

Thaddeus Young, Arron Afflalo, Tiago Splitter

I think Sean Williams and Stuckey should be avoided. Stuckey is a combo guard that we dont need while Williams' character flaws make him a bad fit here at this time.
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5/4/2007  12:23 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by rvwink:

If you crave short term approval, you can draft a great shooter, and gain favor with the fan's when he scores. But ultimately, if you are trying to build a championship team, your players need to be able to play both offensive and defense efficiently. I am not interested in short term fixes, and hopefully, Isiah now has a contract which lets him think longer term as well.

My perception is that Stuckey has the ability to play both offense and defense. Surely there are other draft prospects with the same ability, but I like his passing ability and his being able to slash to the hole successfully. Also clearly he is young enough, so that the fact that his long range shooting is not high percentage, does not mean it won't get signficantly better with time. On the other hand, the review I read about Almond was that he seemed a step slow on defense. It is not clear to me that being a step slow can be corrected with good coaching and alot of practice. That's why Almond doesn't seem like a good long term solution to me.

First off he did time out as one of the fastest players last year @ the pre drfat camp. He has the speed and agility. If his times were slow--maybe you'd have a legit point--but that is not the case--he has long arms he's 6-6 220 and has very good speed. On top of it--I view him as an Allan Houston clone in many ways. Tell me how this team could not use an Allan Houston? I don't view this player as a short term fix--I view him as a stud prospect who likely will not be there when we pick anyway.

Yeah you can pull up last years Orlando per draft measurements. Almonds oretty much tested better in speed and agility then Balkman. He is not slow in any sense.
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5/4/2007  1:21 AM
even if this guy stuckey is a great slasher, thats not what the knicks need. the plan is to build around curry, to build around curry you MUST MUST MUST have shooters who can make opponents pay for double teaming curry.

so whether its almond or bellineli or someone else, someone is gonna have to come in here and hit the 3 ball. its pretty simple.
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