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For point of reference: Y Curry - 0.48:1 EC Zaza Pachulia - 1.35:1 EC Y Curry - 19.5 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.8 asts, 0.5 blk, 0.4 stl, 3.6 TO in 35 mpg Z Pachulia - 12.2 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.5 asts, 0.5 blk, 1.1 stl, 2.3 TO in 28 mpg P.S.: Eddy - D (no defense) - E (no effort) = Y ====> (Y Curry! Y oh why????)
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Solace
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4/26/2007  9:39 PM
Eddy lost efficiency in most other areas besides low post game. Therefore, I don't agree wth the statement that he had his most productive season. If anything, I feel he regressed. He's also never acknowledged his flaws -- he doesn't really care, so I don't see him improving in the areas that matter.

... and that's where we differ.
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4/26/2007  9:55 PM
Posted by Solace:

Eddy lost efficiency in most other areas besides low post game. Therefore, I don't agree wth the statement that he had his most productive season. If anything, I feel he regressed. He's also never acknowledged his flaws -- he doesn't really care, so I don't see him improving in the areas that matter.

... and that's where we differ.

Curry did acknowledge that he needed to be more of a presence defensively while being interviewed on TNT with John Thompson. Besides, if the man said he's going to work-out all summer, take him at his word. He has plenty of experienced coaches/former players at his disposal. I'm sure they know, as well as Curry that he needs plenty or work on the defensive end of the floor.

BTW, Stats are fine, but please don't tell me that Curry didn't look much better on the floor this yr as opposed to last yr.



[Edited by - bigbeast on 04-26-2007 9:56 PM]
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4/26/2007  11:26 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Solace:

Eddy lost efficiency in most other areas besides low post game. Therefore, I don't agree wth the statement that he had his most productive season. If anything, I feel he regressed. He's also never acknowledged his flaws -- he doesn't really care, so I don't see him improving in the areas that matter.

... and that's where we differ.

Curry did acknowledge that he needed to be more of a presence defensively while being interviewed on TNT with John Thompson. Besides, if the man said he's going to work-out all summer, take him at his word. He has plenty of experienced coaches/former players at his disposal. I'm sure they know, as well as Curry that he needs plenty or work on the defensive end of the floor.

BTW, Stats are fine, but please don't tell me that Curry didn't look much better on the floor this yr as opposed to last yr.



[Edited by - bigbeast on 04-26-2007 9:56 PM]

He looked better in his contract year than in either this or last year, though
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4/27/2007  12:46 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Solace:

Eddy lost efficiency in most other areas besides low post game. Therefore, I don't agree wth the statement that he had his most productive season. If anything, I feel he regressed. He's also never acknowledged his flaws -- he doesn't really care, so I don't see him improving in the areas that matter.

... and that's where we differ.

Curry did acknowledge that he needed to be more of a presence defensively while being interviewed on TNT with John Thompson. Besides, if the man said he's going to work-out all summer, take him at his word. He has plenty of experienced coaches/former players at his disposal. I'm sure they know, as well as Curry that he needs plenty or work on the defensive end of the floor.

BTW, Stats are fine, but please don't tell me that Curry didn't look much better on the floor this yr as opposed to last yr.



[Edited by - bigbeast on 04-26-2007 9:56 PM]

He looked better in his contract year than in either this or last year, though

He was pretty efficient and it just so happens that that was the best shape he's ever been in, BUT he only played 63 games. He had that heart scare, which I think was due to diet pills, but that's just my opinion. He also didn't play as many minutes and I don't think he was as much of a factor late in games. This year was still his best year in the league. His intangibles increased this year IMO. Also his contract year should provide a little bit of proof that he may just play better when he gets in better shape. So that only serves to prove our point more than work against it. If he says he wants to come back in better shape and actually does, that will only help him to be a better player for us.
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4/27/2007  1:19 AM
I think this is great!!!

All offseason UK is going being filled by these people trying to dump on Curry, but when Eddy comes back from his first season of real improvement.........we will see where all these "Zaza" threads go...
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4/27/2007  7:51 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Solace:

Eddy lost efficiency in most other areas besides low post game. Therefore, I don't agree wth the statement that he had his most productive season. If anything, I feel he regressed. He's also never acknowledged his flaws -- he doesn't really care, so I don't see him improving in the areas that matter.

... and that's where we differ.

Curry did acknowledge that he needed to be more of a presence defensively while being interviewed on TNT with John Thompson. Besides, if the man said he's going to work-out all summer, take him at his word. He has plenty of experienced coaches/former players at his disposal. I'm sure they know, as well as Curry that he needs plenty or work on the defensive end of the floor.

BTW, Stats are fine, but please don't tell me that Curry didn't look much better on the floor this yr as opposed to last yr.



[Edited by - bigbeast on 04-26-2007 9:56 PM]

He looked better in his contract year than in either this or last year, though

He was pretty efficient and it just so happens that that was the best shape he's ever been in, BUT he only played 63 games. He had that heart scare, which I think was due to diet pills, but that's just my opinion. He also didn't play as many minutes and I don't think he was as much of a factor late in games. This year was still his best year in the league. His intangibles increased this year IMO. Also his contract year should provide a little bit of proof that he may just play better when he gets in better shape. So that only serves to prove our point more than work against it. If he says he wants to come back in better shape and actually does, that will only help him to be a better player for us.
But you're saying he was in shape probably only because of diet pills. Now you're saying he's gonna be in shape next year. How? Using diet pills that may cause heart problems again? According to you, that's the only way in his six years he's done it in the past.
He also didn't play as many minutes and I don't think he was as much of a factor late in games.
How could that be? He wasn't a factor late in games this year
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4/27/2007  8:16 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Solace:

Eddy lost efficiency in most other areas besides low post game. Therefore, I don't agree wth the statement that he had his most productive season. If anything, I feel he regressed. He's also never acknowledged his flaws -- he doesn't really care, so I don't see him improving in the areas that matter.

... and that's where we differ.

Curry did acknowledge that he needed to be more of a presence defensively while being interviewed on TNT with John Thompson. Besides, if the man said he's going to work-out all summer, take him at his word. He has plenty of experienced coaches/former players at his disposal. I'm sure they know, as well as Curry that he needs plenty or work on the defensive end of the floor.

BTW, Stats are fine, but please don't tell me that Curry didn't look much better on the floor this yr as opposed to last yr.



[Edited by - bigbeast on 04-26-2007 9:56 PM]

He looked better in his contract year than in either this or last year, though

He was pretty efficient and it just so happens that that was the best shape he's ever been in, BUT he only played 63 games. He had that heart scare, which I think was due to diet pills, but that's just my opinion. He also didn't play as many minutes and I don't think he was as much of a factor late in games. This year was still his best year in the league. His intangibles increased this year IMO. Also his contract year should provide a little bit of proof that he may just play better when he gets in better shape. So that only serves to prove our point more than work against it. If he says he wants to come back in better shape and actually does, that will only help him to be a better player for us.
But you're saying he was in shape probably only because of diet pills. Now you're saying he's gonna be in shape next year. How? Using diet pills that may cause heart problems again? According to you, that's the only way in his six years he's done it in the past.
He also didn't play as many minutes and I don't think he was as much of a factor late in games.
How could that be? He wasn't a factor late in games this year

He wasn't Jordan, but his presence was was there late in the games. Its alot easier for a perimeter player to take over games down the stretch because they have the ball in their hands. Curry, has to hope one of our post-passing-challenged guards get him the ball all the while having about 2-3 guys on the defensive end shading towards Curry before he even gets the ball. But as I recall, he was effective down the stretch of come games. Twice against Milwaukee, Charlotte, Detroit and even a few games that we lost.

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4/27/2007  9:10 AM
Thank You BB

>>Curry, has to hope one of our post-passing-challenged guards get him the ball all the while having about 2-3 guys on the defensive end shading towards Curry before he even gets the ball.

BigBeast - you rock

While some refuse to open their minds that the quick-study (Mister Almost Triple Double) 6'6 Mardy Collins just may have better sight lines, discipline, less ego, and slightly better attentiveness, to feed the post with accuracy - than the often-berated 6 foot Marbury...

... or that the return to health of basketball yoot (who is still learning the game due to his brief exposure to the game on a formal level) Jamal Crawford (low field goal percentage warts and all) may add a dose of Chicago chemistry to the backcourt equation....

... or that the addition of sophomore Renaldo Balkman, after another season of Summer League ball, with his intuitive quickness will add a touch of more confident spice to the offensive flow...

... or the addition of the next unexpected (and gifted) draft pick that no one will predict, will enhance the passing game...

... or that 6'10 Randolph Morris, who can spot up at forward as well as center, could get Eddy's back like Oak got Patrick's back for a big butt cameo once he passes freshman orientation ...

or that David Lee will ALSO work on his game during the offseason and add some range and consistency to his jump shot to spread the floor...

I'd rather send Eddy Curry a tae-bo tape and say...

"rumble, young man rumble!"
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4/27/2007  9:28 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Thank You BB

>>Curry, has to hope one of our post-passing-challenged guards get him the ball all the while having about 2-3 guys on the defensive end shading towards Curry before he even gets the ball.

BigBeast - you rock

While some refuse to open their minds that the quick-study (Mister Almost Triple Double) 6'6 Mardy Collins just may have better sight lines, discipline, less ego, and slightly better attentiveness, to feed the post with accuracy - than the often-berated 6 foot Marbury...

... or that the return to health of basketball yoot (who is still learning the game due to his brief exposure to the game on a formal level) Jamal Crawford (low field goal percentage warts and all) may add a dose of Chicago chemistry to the backcourt equation....

... or that the addition of sophomore Renaldo Balkman, after another season of Summer League ball, with his intuitive quickness will add a touch of more confident spice to the offensive flow...

... or the addition of the next unexpected (and gifted) draft pick that no one will predict, will enhance the passing game...

... or that 6'10 Randolph Morris, who can spot up at forward as well as center, could get Eddy's back like Oak got Patrick's back for a big butt cameo once he passes freshman orientation ...

or that David Lee will ALSO work on his game during the offseason and add some range and consistency to his jump shot to spread the floor...

I'd rather send Eddy Curry a tae-bo tape and say...

"rumble, young man rumble!"


clutch/grasp at straws
1. to try any method, even those that are not likely to succeed, because you are in such a bad situation. He's hoping that this new treatment will help him but I think he's clutching at straws.
2. to try to find reasons to feel hopeful about a situation when there is no real cause for hope. She thinks he might still be interested because he calls her now and then but I think she's clutching at straws.
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4/27/2007  9:48 AM
BlueSeats - you may now return to your regularly scheduled bitching and moaning

please continue non-stop, for the next five months, leading into training camp and through the All-Star break and beyond...

or until the end of time... whichever comes first

no matter what happens on the basketball court
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4/27/2007  10:03 AM
Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - you may now return to your regularly scheduled bitching and moaning

please continue non-stop, for the next five months, leading into training camp and through the All-Star break and beyond...

or until the end of time... whichever comes first

no matter what happens on the basketball court
Ironically so far Blueseats has been right. This was and still is a crappy .400 team. With the bold comment, you make it sound like the Knicks went out and proved all critics wrong this year.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-27-2007 10:04 AM]
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4/27/2007  10:13 AM
eddy hits 3's to win games.

can your gabor fella do that??
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4/27/2007  10:15 AM
If Balkman needs summer league I think Jamal does as well because he still can't play ball.

How about putting Curry in summer league, he is always out of shape let him go down and get a little action in much like artest did this past season. Matter of fact I think the summer league roster should look like this

Collins/Nate
Crawford/Draft pick
Balkman
Jefferies
Curry/Morris
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4/27/2007  10:23 AM
I agree I'm a downer, but I look at a our roster and I wonder where we're even above average. Marbury and Curry are supposed to be our cornerstones and while each are good in one area of the game (Eddy in the deep post and Marbury at penetrating the lane, which is diminishing) they are really just average players at their positions. And for all the promise of some of our youth, at this point we're really just hoping they can be career starters. I think Lee has evidenced he is purely by being a league leading rebounder (so was Danny Fortson), but he's still built like a tweener and deficient in many other areas. Frye is barely even in our vocabulary any more.

So we hope Balkman and Mardy can someday start, and that somehow we can teach guys to find our franchise player in the post. But 5 starters and a token get you to coney island. I'm really not sure were this team is headed without some perennial all-stars. I'm getting bored of praying for divine intervention every offseason. Or expecting guys to develop skills they've been searching for since 6th grade.
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4/27/2007  10:27 AM
BlusSeats is a crybaby.

MS - I'll see your Summer League roster and raise you a few players you missed, with a proposed strategy for development rather than the mere listing of names

Collins to work on his confidence with jump shot/ NBDL free agent signing

Balkman to cameo at off guard

Small forward Draft pick and small forward Division 2 college signing (dese guys area dime a dozen)with Frye for small forward audition and work on his handle

Lee coming off injury/ 6'10 Rucker League discovery

Morris for extended minutes/ free agent signing from 2006 draft leftovers with Curry in attendance as he was last Summer

das my story an' I'm stickin' to it
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4/27/2007  10:33 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I agree I'm a downer, but I look at a our roster and I wonder where we're even above average. Marbury and Curry are supposed to be our cornerstones and while each are good in one area of the game (Eddy in the deep post and Marbury at penetrating the lane, which is diminishing) they are really just average players at their positions. And for all the promise of some of our youth, at this point we're really just hoping they can be career starters. I think Lee has evidenced he is purely by being a league leading rebounder (so was Danny Fortson), but he's still built like a tweener and deficient in many other areas. Frye is barely even in our vocabulary any more.

So we hope Balkman and Mardy can someday start, and that somehow we can teach guys to find our franchise player in the post. But 5 starters and a token get you to coney island. I'm really not sure were this team is headed without some perennial all-stars. I'm getting bored of praying for divine intervention every offseason. Or expecting guys to develop skills they've been searching for since 6th grade.

yes you are a downer, but i suspect that when you get your new matt barnes chia pet haircut you're gonna have a new pep in your step.

the thing that really cracks me up is guys saying crawford and curry are "young" in their development because they didn't play much "organized ball" yet are in their 7th or 8th years in the league.
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4/27/2007  10:36 AM
Posted by misterearl:


BlusSeats is a crybaby.

Aren't you the one always whining about perceived name calling and insults?

One entry found for hypocrite.
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

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4/27/2007  10:39 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by misterearl:


BlusSeats is a crybaby.

Aren't you the one always whining about perceived name calling and insults?

One entry found for hypocrite.
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings



He and Nixluva are 2 of the biggest hypocrites on this board. What applies to others doesn't apply to them, what applies to other teams doesn't apply to the Knicks, what applies to the Knicks doesn't apply to other teams.


Earle isn't capable of discussing basketball on any intellectual level.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-27-2007 09:39 AM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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4/27/2007  10:40 AM
Earl is more than capable, it's that he choses not to that makes it so suspicious.
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4/27/2007  10:51 AM
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Earl is more than capable, it's that he choses not to that makes it so suspicious.
You really don't get intellectual discussion from Earl. He doesn't give *reasons* for his views.
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