Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by djsunyc:
everyone is entitled to their view on the team and it's situation.
but when we project our young players to get better, we must also realize EVERY OTHER TEAM with young players project the same thing. that's why if this is the team we are going to war with next season, don't expect some quantum leap in terms of "progress." this team will peak somewhere in the .500 area.
I don't totally disagree, but I think that the final record is NOT exactly what this team is. We are already a team that can play near .500 and I expect that we'll move beyond that next year. Don't underestimate the impact that having this team come back pretty much with the same group will have in terms of chemistry. The more this team played together they seemed to be on a gradual increase in performance. This is clearly seen from the start of the year up until they lost the 3 guys to injury. They were progressively winning more of their games and I believe they would've had a very good showing in the last 2 months.
When we were healthy I think we were better than Orlando and about a tad behind NJ. If some of us want to now make it seem like that's not true then fine, but at the time when we lost those guys we were clearly playing better ball than Orl. We gave teams like Tor a run for their money too. So to me all this business about this team not being on par with the other teams in this Conf. isn't true.
It's highly debatable if we were better and even if we were, wouldn't you say that should be a given considering the talent and payroll compared to those teams? You say this ish as if it's some kind of major achievement if they finished ahead of those teams. The team currently as constructed given talent and payroll should be no less than a 45win team. It should also be a team that finishes around 50wins consecutive seasons in a row. But given the results and effort shown this team as currently constructed may never sniff 45wins, which is pathetic.
If Toronto, Orlando, New Jersey had a $100+mil payroll and barely sniffed 45wins you'd be goofing on them all day long. Heck your own words on Toronto this season was
"I really don't see anything all that special in Toronto besides Bosh, they don't impress me that much."
This is a team mind you that has won 47gms.
Nix you're the personification of a homeristic, apologetic, hypocrite!
[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-26-2007 1:48 PM]
1st of all you can kill all that noise about me being a hypocrite. That's really not necessary to just keep throwing that out there. You may not share my opinion, but to keep slandering me that way is going too far.
I said that i'm not that impressed with Toronto and why should I be? They've got some nice pieces and Colangelo did a good job of putting that team together, but that doesn't mean it's a great team in terms of one day being in title contention. Maybe they'll get there, but as of right now i'm not impressed.
You mention the payroll as if that really has anything to do with this argument. If a team constantly overpays it's talent does that somehow make that talent better than another team that signs players commensurate with their rightful skill level? We overpay so what else is new for a NY Team?
As far as being debatable whether we were better than Orlando, I think we were better than them when relatively healthy. This whole argument about losing a player here of there is NOT what i've been talking about. In our case this year it wasn't your usual 1 or 2 guys, it was a really tough 3-4 guys at a time and thru to the end of the season. You can't show me many teams that didn't have problems winning games with that many guys out at once. If you're going to keep insisting that it's not a big deal then fine, but you KNOW that it's not normal for any team hoping to contend for a playoff spot to play the last 20 games of the year with that many key players missing. I REPEAT THAT IS NOT NORMAL OR TO BE EXPECTED in any given year. Some injuries YES, but not in the amount and at the same time that we just had. You guys act like I just started watching sport this year. 33 years i've been avidly following sports, so don't think i'm not aware of the very things you're all saying about injuries in sports. I'm telling you that it's NOT normal for there to be a situation like we had and for the team to keep winning at the same level it did when healthy. Can it happen YES, but it's not normal for that to happen. I can show you more examples of a teams winning % going down than any staying the same with 3 or more KEY players going down.
Mythfaze you bring up Philly but in their case the team was actually able to come together as a team and the guys they sent away didn't work as a team, which is why they made the moves they did. It was a different situation. Our team was working and the guys we lost were vital to the teams performance, whereas Philly wasn't functioning well and those guys they sent away weren't helping to make it better.
4/27/2007 9:12 AM