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nixluva
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4/24/2007  10:43 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

9 man rotation

C-Curry 6-11 290
PF-Balkman 6-7 215
GF-Q Rich 6-6 240
G-Mardy Collins 6-6 225
G-Stephon Marbury 6-1205
CF-Lee 6-10 260
F-Frye[hopefully an upgrade to a rough athletic 4]6-11 245
G Almond 6-6 225
G Jamal Crawford[6th man]6-5 190
10th man Nate

YUP! There you go. This team isn't as bad off as so many want us to think. Let's just see what happens this summer. If Isiah stands pat and just does a solid job in the draft and his staff does solid work with the team this summer I think we'll be more than alright for the future.
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4/24/2007  11:36 PM
We're probly a high rebounding team b/c teams get so many possessions off our turnovers - meaning more shots for them...


Food for thought.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 04-24-2007 11:36 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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4/24/2007  11:42 PM
If Curry were excluded from the equation, could the Knicks build around David Lee (Mr Double-Double)

I think Lee had more success, because of the fact that we had someone in the middle.

We already tried that with Kurt Thomas. I would even say we tried it with skinny ass Camby also and the big ones pushed them around as if they were forewards. They WERE' forewards!!!

We had our chance at Bynum, which I questioned when we passed. I'd love to see him man handle Curry, just to prove that it was another huge mistake to go after Curry. I was one of those who did not want Curry in a Knicks uniform, but when he came, I had to go with it.
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4/24/2007  11:44 PM
^ I was thrilled we got him.

Underwhelmed now.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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4/24/2007  11:47 PM
trading Craw + Frye for a heady player off the bench you can run the O thru for 4-5 minute stretches

Frye Craw for Marquis Daniels David Harrison and a future 1st
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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4/25/2007  11:18 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by BRIGGS:

9 man rotation

C-Curry 6-11 290
PF-Balkman 6-7 215
GF-Q Rich 6-6 240
G-Mardy Collins 6-6 225
G-Stephon Marbury 6-1205
CF-Lee 6-10 260
F-Frye[hopefully an upgrade to a rough athletic 4]6-11 245
G Almond 6-6 225
G Jamal Crawford[6th man]6-5 190
10th man Nate

YUP! There you go. This team isn't as bad off as so many want us to think. Let's just see what happens this summer. If Isiah stands pat and just does a solid job in the draft and his staff does solid work with the team this summer I think we'll be more than alright for the future.

the team would be different and upgraded. While we would still have a BIG[Curry] [Lee] and at times both or a 15min shot blocker who can run--you play much more 3 guard sets but the guards are big collins 6-6 almond 6-6 crawford 6-5 q rich 6-6 and the one shorter guy[marbury plays big] so you have soem mean rebounding from both the frontcourt and backcourt--more length and diversity in the backcourt with more depth[which we ran out of] more fluidity on the O and more speed on the D. Increase the outside shooting arsenal, team IQ, size, depth, speed. If It wants to swap some player we have for a Dominic Mqcuire or Tiago Splitter--for a nate and money--that's fine--no one will aregue with that--but I think we need a shooter with the top pick--or you could use nate to move up a bit to ensure you get the player and buy Phoenix 29 pick for that type of player. there is 6-7 of them--1 will be there at 29.
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4/25/2007  11:28 AM
I honestly don't care about Curry's defense, if he improves his passing and FT shooting...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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4/25/2007  11:38 AM
4949 - I considered Lee as the second coming of 6'9 Dave Cowens at center but then remembered how flexble and fluid he was in his freshman year at Florida before they bulked him up to actually play center.

Then along came Noah and the rest is Gator history...

I'll second bobs for Eddy Curry to work on the passing game.

Hit the open man.




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4/25/2007  11:50 AM
>>We need to remember that this is one of the strongest rebounding teams in the league and we will only get better in that dept. Guys like Balkman and Collins only add to that, as they see increased minutes.

As neither Marbury or Crawford rebound consistently, having 6'6 Mardy Collins to bull inside is a nice bonus to his leadership ability. If the Knicks REALLY wanted to rule the boards and the defensive end, Balkman would receive a cameo at the off guard with Collins to see how that shiftline would enforce the perimeter.

The Knicks need a 6'8+ insurance policy for Quinton's back problems.

Somebody gotta guard Pierce, McGrady and/or Lebron.





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4/27/2007  11:30 AM
TrueBlue inserts his comments here...
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4/27/2007  12:55 PM
Not sure how the draft will go. I think some people are penciling Almond into the line-up, but who knows. I have confidence that Isiah will be able to add a solid role player to this line-up regardless of who we draft. The next question becomes how do we add an actual star to the line-up so that we can make the next step. Curry's prime will be in 2-3 years. Steph will be on his way out at that point. We need to focus less on role players that can get us over the hump and into the playoffs next year or the year after. And focus on building a team that can compete for a title. How do we do that? Position ourselves to grab a star or young players with huge potential. Role players can only take you so far.
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4/27/2007  4:48 PM
bip - just bear in mind that Scoty Pippen was unheard of in college.

So were Charles Oakley, Micheal Ray, Bobby Dandridge, Ben Walace and ... well... you get the idea... the list is long... just know that whoever Isiah selects... it will not be a conformist move.

Just like David Lee was a head scratcher until people opened their eyes.

Just like Renaldo.

read my lips... expect the unexpected.

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4/27/2007  5:11 PM
Posted by misterearl:

bip - just bear in mind that Scoty Pippen was unheard of in college.

So were Charles Oakley, Micheal Ray, Bobby Dandridge, Ben Walace and ... well... you get the idea... the list is long... just know that whoever Isiah selects... it will not be a conformist move.

Just like David Lee was a head scratcher until people opened their eyes.

Just like Renaldo.

read my lips... expect the unexpected.

Avis Wyatt.

"I have confidence that Isiah will be able to add a solid role player to this line-up regardless of who we draft."

As one of the key people who said give Balkman time, I trust that Isiah knows what he's doing. So I'm not sure why you target my post. I never know what your point is. Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me.

I trust Isiah will make a good pick. There is a chance that he will make a great pick. There is a chance that at 23 we get teh best player in the draft. It is definitely possible. But likely???? If we are going to rely on #23 picks and #30 picks and MLE's to find a star than we are using poor strategy. At some point you have to stop hoping for good luck and put yourselves in a better position. Is what I'm saying unfair?
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4/27/2007  5:17 PM
bip - half the time I don't know what the point of my posts are either.

my agenda is only to keep the conversation going. where it stops, nobody knows.

The 23 pick could be a star or a role player. My only point is that if Isiah can select a player who can make a TINY complementary contribution in terms of cohesion, crisper ball movement, help cut turnovers and elevate the team field goal percentage...

then it is a good thing.
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4/27/2007  5:17 PM
oh yeah, I almost forgot...

Avis Wyatt, Virginia State
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4/27/2007  5:18 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I trust Isiah will make a good pick. There is a chance that he will make a great pick. There is a chance that at 23 we get teh best player in the draft. It is definitely possible. But likely???? If we are going to rely on #23 picks and #30 picks and MLE's to find a star than we are using poor strategy. At some point you have to stop hoping for good luck and put yourselves in a better position. Is what I'm saying unfair?

You are saying the sure firest way to pick up a top player is to rebuild from the ground up based on high draft position. No, g, thats not unfair at all. Unless you expect that to happen in New York.

Why? You hear the Garden crowd in December? You peeped the empty seats? Thats why.

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4/27/2007  5:19 PM
Earl, at #23 I'm just hoping for a cat that can hit the open shot, you know?
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4/27/2007  5:30 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by Bippity10:

I trust Isiah will make a good pick. There is a chance that he will make a great pick. There is a chance that at 23 we get teh best player in the draft. It is definitely possible. But likely???? If we are going to rely on #23 picks and #30 picks and MLE's to find a star than we are using poor strategy. At some point you have to stop hoping for good luck and put yourselves in a better position. Is what I'm saying unfair?

You are saying the sure firest way to pick up a top player is to rebuild from the ground up based on high draft position. No, g, thats not unfair at all. Unless you expect that to happen in New York.

Why? You hear the Garden crowd in December? You peeped the empty seats? Thats why.

Actually no that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you have to eventually put yourself in position to get a star somehow at some point. That can be done by high draft picks, getting under the cap, or trading your reasonably priced talented players and trimming the fat on your roster. Anyone of these are possibilities. But we choose none of them

We pick in the 20's despite our record.

We have no cap space

Half our roster is vastly overpaid

We are terrified to trade our young guys

You have to do one of these four things or else resign yourself to years of mediocrity while waiting for luck to grab hold. Or for some vet to "get it" during his 8, 9 or 10th season in the NBA. Yes you can get lucky. Yes a vet can "get it". Yes it's always possible. No you are never doomed. But true winners play the odds. We refuse to play the odds. We instead go for the safety of mediocrity and resign ourselves to hoping our flawed players become stars.

Can you rebuild in NY. Bring in a proven winner that has a history of building title teams and let them do their thing. And yes fans will be patient. If they don't. Who cares. Do what you need to do.The problem with Isiah is he's trying to rebuild while also filling the seats with mediocre players that can get an 8th seed. This recipe does not work.

Go half asse. Quit for an entire year. Waste money on guys like Francis and JJ and yes you will be boo'd.
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4/27/2007  5:48 PM
problem with Isiah is he's trying to rebuild while also filling the seats with mediocre players that can get an 8th seed.

You're a cool guy, Bip, but that view is so old I can barely see through it for the cobwebs. I mean, at least Isiah's rebuilding.

Were you around during the Layden years? You think this current MO is Isiah's invention? This is how Cablevision is run, man, its not just the Knicks.

Credit Isiah for finally getting these geezers to understand the value of a draft pick. But that isn't going to change much until ownership is ready to make some sacrifices, on this you are spot on. But wishing on rainbows isn't going to make it happen. Its why we took this two year foray further into the cap abyss to take a flyer on making noise with a Marbury-Houston back court.

Me, I'm hoping we are looking at creating some cap space in '09. I expect to see some playoff ball from these crew in the meantime. I suspect that might be the plan. Things could be worse, my man, a whole lot worse.



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4/27/2007  7:32 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
problem with Isiah is he's trying to rebuild while also filling the seats with mediocre players that can get an 8th seed.

You're a cool guy, Bip, but that view is so old I can barely see through it for the cobwebs. I mean, at least Isiah's rebuilding.

Were you around during the Layden years? You think this current MO is Isiah's invention? This is how Cablevision is run, man, its not just the Knicks.

Credit Isiah for finally getting these geezers to understand the value of a draft pick. But that isn't going to change much until ownership is ready to make some sacrifices, on this you are spot on. But wishing on rainbows isn't going to make it happen. Its why we took this two year foray further into the cap abyss to take a flyer on making noise with a Marbury-Houston back court.

Me, I'm hoping we are looking at creating some cap space in '09. I expect to see some playoff ball from these crew in the meantime. I suspect that might be the plan. Things could be worse, my man, a whole lot worse.


The differnece is that I don't judge Isiah by Scott Layden. I judge him on his own merits. JJ and Stevie go on to support my claims every day
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