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Do you want the Bulls to win the draft lottery?
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nixluva
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4/23/2007  11:40 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

here's a better question, how much does the bulls getting #1 or #2 effect the knicks?

will there be more pressure on isiah to win? will there be more pressure on curry?
will dolan demand quicker results?

or will they not even care?

IF such an unfortunate stroke off luck should happen, I think that it is another source of embarrassment and I do believe that there would be more pressure on isiah to show results. However I already feel that he's got some pressure to finally show results next year. I don't think he'd survive another non playoff year, despite the contract extension. The extension gave him another season, but not if he can't get this team to the next level of winning more consistently. NY won't accept another win one/lose won type season. This team has to show more than that.

At this point outside of the Bulls getting #1 or #2, I don't see this swap of picks as any real problem for the Knicks. They can still come out of this thing ahead with a good draft and a solid season next year. Making the playoffs would be a huge step and of course doing well would take that even further.
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4/23/2007  11:55 AM
The draft should have no effect on us as a team. Its' the Bulls pick and effects nothing at this point but our pride and analyzation of a Curry trade. In terms of who we are as a team it changes nothing.
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4/23/2007  12:14 PM
Contending for a playoff spot is a ****ing joke is this conference thats all we will be doing not making overall progress for the future unless five players from this years team are removed from the roster
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4/23/2007  12:18 PM
IF, and it's a big IF, the Bulls get #1 or #2... to say that it wouldn't effect the Knicks would be like saying Jordan didn't effect the Ewing era.
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4/23/2007  12:20 PM
Posted by martin:

IF, and it's a big IF, the Bulls get #1 or #2... to say that it wouldn't effect the Knicks would be like saying Jordan didn't effect the Ewing era.

Jordan probably wouldn't have affected the Knicks much if we'd been stuck as a .400 team all decade.
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4/23/2007  12:21 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

here's a better question, how much does the bulls getting #1 or #2 effect the knicks?

will there be more pressure on isiah to win? will there be more pressure on curry?
will dolan demand quicker results?

or will they not even care?
If Eddy's the kind of player you want to get when giving up tons of picks, he'd use that situation as even further motivation to push himself over the offseason. I can't see that happening though. He doesn't have it in him.
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4/23/2007  12:25 PM
Posted by martin:

IF, and it's a big IF, the Bulls get #1 or #2... to say that it wouldn't effect the Knicks would be like saying Jordan didn't effect the Ewing era.

How? Psychologically?

Dolan has already spun that it was a gamble that they were happy to take. And thst's how they'll continue to spin it.
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4/23/2007  12:35 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:

IF, and it's a big IF, the Bulls get #1 or #2... to say that it wouldn't effect the Knicks would be like saying Jordan didn't effect the Ewing era.

How? Psychologically?

Dolan has already spun that it was a gamble that they were happy to take. And thst's how they'll continue to spin it.

no, in the playoff hunt and then in the playoffs again. Knicks play Chicago.
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4/23/2007  12:40 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:

IF, and it's a big IF, the Bulls get #1 or #2... to say that it wouldn't effect the Knicks would be like saying Jordan didn't effect the Ewing era.

How? Psychologically?

Dolan has already spun that it was a gamble that they were happy to take. And thst's how they'll continue to spin it.

no, in the playoff hunt and then in the playoffs again. Knicks play Chicago.

They'd be behind the Bulls anyway. The same way they're behind Toronto and Orlando after helping them out.
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4/23/2007  12:45 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:

IF, and it's a big IF, the Bulls get #1 or #2... to say that it wouldn't effect the Knicks would be like saying Jordan didn't effect the Ewing era.

How? Psychologically?

Dolan has already spun that it was a gamble that they were happy to take. And thst's how they'll continue to spin it.

no, in the playoff hunt and then in the playoffs again. Knicks play Chicago.

They'd be behind the Bulls anyway. The same way they're behind Toronto and Orlando after helping them out.
Yeah, we're not at a point where we are good enough to actually worry about any specific teams.
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4/23/2007  12:47 PM
Just want to add: Keep up the good work Isles! You were all alone at one point but you've now got about half if not more of the board with you. You're the founder of the anti-Isiah/Dolan movement!
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4/23/2007  12:48 PM
Here is the thing Isiah believes he is a draft genius and I am looking at this draft

Odom, Durant, Wright, Wright, Green, Noah, Hibbert, Conely Jr. Horford, Yi Ling

The Bulls have a young core and are better at every position already and will get a chance to select on of these kids.

Sebolsa is a lockdown defender, Deng, Gordom, Thomas are all going to get better, Deng and Thomas much better and when you add in the draft selection its almost comical how much isiah has help improve this team by getting rid of salary and the most selfish player on their team.

So when you make a trade u have to ask yourself i am hurting our chances long term by making this deal in conference, so if the bulls get the number one pick or even the 2, there is a championship in their future regardless of what anyone says. They have the best core in the league and chips to trade for Wade, Lebron who will leave their teams in the future.....or they can just stay as and be one of the best teams in the east for the next 6 years
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4/23/2007  1:40 PM
The Bulls have a nice young core, but no superstars have emerged. I suppose Ben Gordon is the closest thing to one; he's like a shorter, much beefier version of Rip Hamilton. I think they have the tools to trade for a star. Then again... in the east, maybe that doesn't matter. Detroit has been the best team in the east for a few years by playing as a team. They'll have to win with that mold.

Most of the other teams in the playoffs in the east have a designated star (Cleveland - Lebron, Washington - Arenas, though Butler and Jamison are excellent too, NJ - Carter/Kidd + Jefferson, Miami - Wade/Shaq). Orlando will suffer because their best player has no offensive skills beyond dunks (Howard), and their 2nd best player doesn't excel at anything in particular (Turkoglu).

Anyway, when we see Eddy average 21ppg/8rpg for the next 4 years, he'll receive criticism and hear the comparisons. Of course, if Tyrus Thomas + this year's pick turn into complete busts, we won't ever hear about the opposite. (We also won't hear about how Tim Thomas has faded away into obscurity)
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4/23/2007  1:49 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Just want to add: Keep up the good work Isles! You were all alone at one point but you've now got about half if not more of the board with you. You're the founder of the anti-Isiah/Dolan movement!

How do you come up with half when this thread is 28-8
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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4/23/2007  2:04 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Just want to add: Keep up the good work Isles! You were all alone at one point but you've now got about half if not more of the board with you. You're the founder of the anti-Isiah/Dolan movement!

How do you come up with half when this thread is 28-8
He had a specific poll on whether people were with him or not and more than half were with him. This poll is a separate issue.
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4/23/2007  2:04 PM
Posted by martin:

IF, and it's a big IF, the Bulls get #1 or #2... to say that it wouldn't effect the Knicks would be like saying Jordan didn't effect the Ewing era.

Of course Jordan affected the Ewing era. But the eras that will be impacted by where Oden goes are the LeBron era, the Wade era and the Bosh era. We have none of those players and have almost no shot to get any of them. So, it doesn't affect the Knicks unless you see us getting a player of that caliber in some future draft. I don't.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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4/23/2007  2:06 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Just want to add: Keep up the good work Isles! You were all alone at one point but you've now got about half if not more of the board with you. You're the founder of the anti-Isiah/Dolan movement!

How do you come up with half when this thread is 28-8
He had a specific poll on whether people were with him or not and more than half were with him. This poll is a separate issue.


Well how can you be WITH islesfan if you disagree with him on this issue. He's got 7 supporters according to this, the most anti-Knick poll around.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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4/23/2007  3:13 PM
You should look at the Bulls stats, you say they don't have a star but I think Deng is a star following the playoffs.

Gordon 21.4pts 3.1rbs 3.1ass
Deng 18.8pts 7.1rbs
Hinrich 16.6pts 6.3ass 3.0rbs 1.25stls

J. Howard is an AllStar? 18.9pts 6.8rbs I think you can argue that Deng is just as good and has more potential

And you could make the argument that Hinrich is one of the top 5 two way pgs in the entire nba
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4/23/2007  3:30 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Just want to add: Keep up the good work Isles! You were all alone at one point but you've now got about half if not more of the board with you. You're the founder of the anti-Isiah/Dolan movement!

How do you come up with half when this thread is 28-8
He had a specific poll on whether people were with him or not and more than half were with him. This poll is a separate issue.


Well how can you be WITH islesfan if you disagree with him on this issue. He's got 7 supporters according to this, the most anti-Knick poll around.

huh? That's like saying, how can you be a Republican if you don't support the Iraq invasion? They're two separate issues. Iraq (or the Bulls' draft pick) is a much smaller issue and has only mixed support within the Republican party, just like people who are *generally* with Islesfan (i.e., the majority of this board) may still disagree with him on an occasional issue.
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4/23/2007  3:43 PM
Of course I'm rooting for the Bulls in the lottery. How could you not be all for James Dolan returning to ummm Mike and errr the Mad ummm Dog to uh explain why the errr Knicks uhhhh don't have ummm Greg errr Oden or Kevin uhhhh Durant.
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