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4/20/2007  7:32 PM
The Knicks on the other hand.......We are being trained by our front office that when we are bad, dont be unhappy. Celebrate that the guys try hard for the most part. And the "super fans" are perfectly okay with this.

These are the things I been trying to get at, since the midway point of the season. You guys have really come along, finally! Not that some of you were in the dark, but to push the point home like this, shows that there's no wool over any of your eyes. I'm proud of you guys!!!
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4/20/2007  9:17 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Not to take away from the article which is very true.

But Baseball has no salary cap. Basketball has a salary cap. Knicks have still not adapted to this day that there is a salary cap. If there was no Salary cap in basketball Knicks would allways be successfull because of there market. But I think Yankees would be successful even with a salary cap. As they are good at growing talent. While the Knicks continue to suffer.

Also Yankees have starphuched the last few yrs and only decided to change back to building through youth philosophy this offseason. The season that past they had the best collection of hitters in all of baseball. Yankees scored a combined total of 6 runs for the last 3 games. Including getting shut out in game 3 vs the Tigers in the playoffs.



You made absolutely no sense whatsoever with the statement above. The Knicks haven been operating their franchise 50% to 70% over the cap since the new CBA agreement in 1999 I believe and modified one 2yrs ago. They have been running the team as if there's no cap for almost a decade. So they've had the same financial priviliges as say a Yankee ran Baseball team. They have managed to sign FA's, or trade for big name players, just the wrong ones. Actually in basketball the philosophy and environment is a different beast than other sports. In Basketball there's more of an opportunity for a single athlete to be DA MAN or be The Franchise. If basketball had no cap every team would be a big time spot as long as the dollars and vision matched the clients wishes. It would be like college basketball recruiting to a degree. A recruit class/era that has Oden, Hibbert, Horford, etc etc isn't going to result in all those players signing at Duke University just because it's Duke. You're starting to see it more and more when you look at the teams that have cap room signing FA. New York has/had the ability/freedom while being over the cap to work S&T's with FA every off-season if they so chose to do it. We saw Arenas leaving for Washington, Joe Johnson leaving for ATL, T-Mac leaving for Orlando, Boozer leaving for Utah, K-Mart leaving for Denver, Peja leaving for Hornets, Larry Hughes leaving for Cleveland. Some of those athletes could have signed a 1 yr deal somewhere and waited the following yr to sign in a bigger market, they didn't. Those aren't/were'nt necessairly or just became big market teams. New York, LA, and Chicago would have a slight edge but not as much as people think they would. If every team had the owner that ISAYUGH has had, you best believe all other 29 teams would have had more success than we had over the past decade. Also how much more time do they need to adjust to the cap regulations while we watch other teams operate within the confines of it quite nicely?

Sorry the culture here is rotten and your post is a prime example of the effect it has had on the fan base.


LOL that post was hilarious

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-20-2007 3:25 PM]

I wrote a reply earlier but for some reason my explorer reset itself. So I'll try to rewrite what I wrote.

Having a salary cap stops teams from being able to sign big name free agents unless its for the mid level. Yankees & Knicks both have the ability to hold a high payroll. But Yankees are able to keep signing big name players while Knicks wouldn't be able to as long as they are over the cap. If there was no salary cap and Knicks were able to sign free agents for any price then Knicks would get serious intrest from every NBA free agent out there because they could make more money here based on our Market and endorsments then they would be able to get with most of the other teams in the league. If we were able to sign free agents though we are over the cap. Then Layden would have been able to throw money at Gilbert Arenas(example) after he left Golden State. Even though we were stuck with Shanvis Eisleyspoon. As well as throw money at any big time PF/C to trying and from a championship calibre team with Houston & Spree. We would have actually had a serious possibility of a guy like Kobe Bryant his free agent yr. Nash & Kobe could would have been serious possibilities as there would have been no need to trade for Marbury. We would have serious interest from Lebron in the future since we would be able to give a huge contract as well as get him way more from endorsments even while being over the cap. We would be able to sign big time free agents and just buyout players that didn't work after they are replaced. There would be no need to trade prospects and draft picks for guys like Marbury & Curry. There would be no need to add players to make salaries match in trades. There would be no need to add bad contracts to deals. There would be no need to try to get under the cap in order to sign free agents and no need to try to get 10-15mil under in order to sign a star. All we would need to do was throw money at free agents.

So yes having no salary is still an advantage over not having a salary cap. Not only even, but especially for New York.
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4/23/2007  9:48 AM
Posted by 4949:
The Knicks on the other hand.......We are being trained by our front office that when we are bad, dont be unhappy. Celebrate that the guys try hard for the most part. And the "super fans" are perfectly okay with this.

These are the things I been trying to get at, since the midway point of the season. You guys have really come along, finally! Not that some of you were in the dark, but to push the point home like this, shows that there's no wool over any of your eyes. I'm proud of you guys!!!


Dude I'm seven years ahead of you. I predicted this the day we made the finals in '99. I was crucified, called a hater and an idiot. It's pretty much gone the way I called it.
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4/23/2007  10:06 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by 4949:
The Knicks on the other hand.......We are being trained by our front office that when we are bad, dont be unhappy. Celebrate that the guys try hard for the most part. And the "super fans" are perfectly okay with this.

These are the things I been trying to get at, since the midway point of the season. You guys have really come along, finally! Not that some of you were in the dark, but to push the point home like this, shows that there's no wool over any of your eyes. I'm proud of you guys!!!


Dude I'm seven years ahead of you. I predicted this the day we made the finals in '99. I was crucified, called a hater and an idiot. It's pretty much gone the way I called it.

Remember back in the MSG days, many of us were calling for rebuilding then? People didn't want to wait. Now if we had started the process at that time, we might actually have some nice combo of high lottery picks to build around now. We could easily be in Toronto's shoes, for example. Instead, 6, 7 years later and we're talking about threatening to make the playoffs one of these years... eventually. Embarassing.
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4/23/2007  10:29 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by 4949:
The Knicks on the other hand.......We are being trained by our front office that when we are bad, dont be unhappy. Celebrate that the guys try hard for the most part. And the "super fans" are perfectly okay with this.

These are the things I been trying to get at, since the midway point of the season. You guys have really come along, finally! Not that some of you were in the dark, but to push the point home like this, shows that there's no wool over any of your eyes. I'm proud of you guys!!!


Dude I'm seven years ahead of you. I predicted this the day we made the finals in '99. I was crucified, called a hater and an idiot. It's pretty much gone the way I called it.

Remember back in the MSG days, many of us were calling for rebuilding then? People didn't want to wait. Now if we had started the process at that time, we might actually have some nice combo of high lottery picks to build around now. We could easily be in Toronto's shoes, for example. Instead, 6, 7 years later and we're talking about threatening to make the playoffs one of these years... eventually. Embarassing.

I remember those discussions on MSG. I remember saying we needed to get veteran LEADERS and fill in the blanks with high draft picks. I remember saying that we needed to change the culture and start targeting vets that had won before. I remember sayign we had to target two way players and energy guys. 5, 6, 7 years later we finally draft Lee, Balkman and Collins. Guys motivated by winning. And we are the "haters" and Isiah is the genius. It's odd.
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