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nixluva
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4/6/2007  10:30 PM
Pharzone, no matter what you say, they just won't get it. DOLAN doesn't want that. Besides the whole idea that rebuilding from scratch is so great is a FARCE. VERY FEW teams have done that successfully and MANY have been trying for longer than Isiah has been here.
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4/6/2007  11:42 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Pharzone, no matter what you say, they just won't get it. DOLAN doesn't want that. Besides the whole idea that rebuilding from scratch is so great is a FARCE. VERY FEW teams have done that successfully and MANY have been trying for longer than Isiah has been here.

Wait, Dolan doesn't want it but he's authorized it for the last 3 years and gave Isiah a lucrative and long extension to keep on doing it?
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4/7/2007  12:50 PM
There are some interesting Free Agents Isiah can look at. We all know about the Rashard Lewis thing, but there are some other guys that may be cheaper and still provide good value to the team.

Matt Carroll is a guy i'd look at. I've been watching him and he's gotten much better. He'd provide shooting and smart play.
Jason Kapono is another great shooter and he's gotten a little better overall.
DeSagana Diop is a guy that could give us the shot blocking we need.
Steve Blake I don't know if Isiah would be interested, but he could help
Eddie House, doesn't do much else but shoot, but boy can he shoot.
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4/7/2007  1:33 PM
Rony Turiaf

Ryan Gomes
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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4/7/2007  1:44 PM
I doubt there's any way we're going to get Turiaf away from the Lakers. That was a huge pick up for them.
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4/7/2007  3:27 PM
Posted by McK1:

Rony Turiaf

Ryan Gomes

I like both players. It will be interesting to see how much it would take to get any of those guys away from their teams. The variety of possible moves that can happen this summer is very interesting. It's not a blockbuster type of FA class, but there are some decent players that will be available.

Kapono and Carroll are real interesting to me, cuz I remember thinking that we should've kept Carroll when he was in camp that one year with the Knicks. I like what i've seen of him this year for the Bobcats. He stepped up really nice when they had all those injuries. I don't think he'd be too expensive.

He's avg'ing 12.1 ppg on 43% and 41% from 3pt. 90% FT in 26 mpg. His intangibles are pretty good. He plays smart.

Knicks 2003-04 Pre-season Profiles
Matt Carroll Takes Aim at Knicks Roster
by Tom Kertes

Matt Carroll is no “Rudy”. Yes, he's from Notre Dame. Yes, he's a dreamer. And yes, he's a real longshot to make the Knicks roster. But he has one thing the diminutive movie-one-sacker did not have: legitimate, unadulterated, major-league talent.
The 6-6 shooting guard was one of those players -- there are 20-30 of them every year -- who were at the ability-level where they might just as well have been drafted, but weren't. "You can't imagine the pain, the feeling of disappointment you feel when your name is not called," said Carroll. "Especially because I fully expected some team to pick me. I thought I was good enough -- and people around the NBA TOLD me I was good enough. But then, if you really love the game, you get over it, just suck it up and go on. Hopefully, I'll be in the right place at the right time." But are the Knicks, a team practically legendary for its overload of "two-three"-s, the right place? "Well, Spree is not here any longer," Carroll points out. "So who knows? Maybe there's some room behind Allan (Houston) and Shandon (Anderson)."

"Actually, my being with the Knicks goes way deeper than that," adds Carroll. "Growing up in Pennsylvania, I was always an enormous Knicks fan -- so being here, in many ways, is a dream come true. I played with the Knicks in both Summer Leagues, so I'm already comfortable here with the coaches and the guys. There are great people on this team. And then, most of all, I think I play a little bit like Allan Houston. He's been my role model as a player for the longest time. So being here, getting a chance to face him, practice with him, and learn from him is not only a thrill but it could also be invaluable to my future as a player."

Clearly, Carroll is a man with a plan. "A lifelong plan," he smiles. "Drawn up when I was maybe, what, two years old? Really, I don't see how I could become anything BUT a ballplayer. As far back as I can remember, my mom and dad would take me to my grandfather's high school games. My grandpa coached at North Catholic High school in Pittsburgh -- he is the winningest coach in Pennsylvania high school history. My Dad, who was a quarterback at Penn State but a great basketball shooter as well, played in high school for my grandfather. He would take me out into the backyard and show me how to shoot. He'd work on my technique, day in and day out, all the time, for hours. Plus, both of my Mom's brothers became Div. I ballplayers in college, one at American U. and the other at St. Francis (Pa)." Understandably enough, Carroll grew up to be the purest of shooters -- his brother, Pat, led the nation in three point percentage last year while playing at St. Joseph's -- with exceptional intangible instincts for the game.

"I may not be the fastest guy in the world," he smiles. "But, yes, I do believe that I have something in common with my other idol, Chris Mullin. I think, mentally, I am a step or two ahead of the play. And Chris -- I've worked out with him in San Francisco for a couple of weeks earlier this summer -- had himself a pretty good NBA career, didn't he?"

"Shootingwise, I'm as good as any player in the NBA," adds Carroll. "I feel that, more than anything, my shooting ability is what's going to carry me here. But, in addition, I'm a far better ballhandler than people realize. You know, you get stereotyped -- a 6-6 shooter, how could he possibly handle the ball all that well? But I've played POINT GUARD throughout high school -- so I know what I'm doing with the ball. And defensively, I'm a scrapper. I've worked hard all summer on my conditioning, to get stronger so I don't get overpowered by the bigger, stronger NBA guys on defense."

"I know I still have to prove this to people, but I can guard the players in this league," adds Carroll. " I may not have the quickest feet but I do know how to play the game. I've learned, I absorbed. I was not around the best basketball minds all my life for no reason. Anyway, I tell you one thing: I may not be a guy who'll take off at the foulline and dunk on somebody, but I'll do ANYTHING to get the job done. Anything at all."

"The coaching here has been great," says Carroll. "They've already helped me so much....Herb Williams, Brendan and Mike Malone, Lon Kruger, all of them. Herb was a player, he knows what it was like, what it's all about. He's a master at keeping you relaxed. Mike is the guy I've worked the most with so far. He works so hard, it's unbelievable. As much as I want to get better, he wants me get better just as much. Maybe more. Kruger, a genuine great guy, very classy. And Brendan....he's been around forever. He's taught me a zillion little things about the game that I did not know. Things that I could not even imagine existed."

"I haven't had a chance to work with Coach Chaney individually as yet," adds Carroll. "But, just in these two days in camp, you can see how he made the NBA All-Defensive team I don't know how many times. He's taught me some amazing subtle things I did not know on defense."

Carroll chose Notre Dame over 200 other colleges because "the Irish were not particularly good at the time but I could tell that they were on the verge of something. And I wanted to be there at the beginning, to help create something wonderfully exciting, something new, and something big. I think the Knicks are on the verge of something, too. Maybe I can help to create a new winning era in New York as well."
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4/7/2007  3:40 PM
our plan should be to try to move marbury, francis- curry or crawford- any of our long term, overpaid players- and, i'd be interested to see if it wouldn't make sense to give up chicago's pick this year to utah to complete the marbury deal- because 3 years from now- when it has no protection, we might still be in the lottery.
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4/7/2007  4:33 PM
yeah Carroll was pretty solid in the Vegas summer league, i remember they wanted to keep him but they just didn't have room, he'd be behind Marbury, Crawford, Nate, Mardy and even Q when he played at the SG. same thing with Walker Russell i think
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4/7/2007  4:40 PM
trade curry
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4/7/2007  4:48 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by McK1:

Rony Turiaf

Ryan Gomes

I like both players. It will be interesting to see how much it would take to get any of those guys away from their teams. The variety of possible moves that can happen this summer is very interesting. It's not a blockbuster type of FA class, but there are some decent players that will be available.



while LA likely matches

C's extended Pierce 60 mill. West Allen Jefferson and Perkins are up for extensions.

Isiah gave max mid level deals to James and Jeffires. Pony up for a player worth the bucks

Gomes = shooting rebounding passing defending at the 3.

Get it done Zeke.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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4/7/2007  7:54 PM
Lee IMO should be the one thats untouchable. He will eventully become the best rebounder in the game, and is such a team player almost to a fualt.

If Lee, Balkman, and curry devlope jump shots, that alone can take us to the next level.

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4/8/2007  12:44 AM
The most likely candidates to be traded look like Frye, Jamal and Nate. I think Francis is likely untradeable, so he's a buyout. FRYE, JAMAL - NATE to Seattle for Rashard. Would you do it? Trade checker says the trade would work.

CURRY - LEE
MORRIS - JARED

RASHARD - BALKMAN
STEPH - MARDY - Q



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4/8/2007  12:57 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Nice, more starphucking.

Garnett is still an elite player but for how much longer? Giving up Lee, more draft picks and whatever else it would take to get KG wouldn't make the Knicks a championship team. They would be a 50 win, 2nd rd and out team with absolutely no future as we watch KG and Marbury decline but still wasting whatever assets they have left pretending that they can win it all.

I love KG but that would be the ultimate starphuck at this point. So basically you know you can expect Isiah to push for it. He's one stupid muthafocker.

Well, it makes sense as with everything else around here. KG is on the down and is more likely due for an injury. It makes sense that the Knicks would want to bring someone here with that possibility. I say keep the money, keep your pieces and deal something else. Jermaine is a very good option. If he doesn't work out, then he can be had for another all-star, if' we don't sign him to a huge, huge contract and blow it all in one basket.
I'll never trust this' team again.
May be a VERY interesting off-season...

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