Posted by nixluva:

You guys are not quite getting how this works. It doesn't matter if they produce better numbers overall. It's HOW they get those numbers and how that impacts the teams that we play. In Curry's case, He was able to get the other teams top Center out of the game in a few of the last games we've played and that gave us a chance to win. You are overlooking that impact cuz it isn't sexy enough for you. Still it's a HUGE advantage and we get that on MANY nights during the season. Howard had to sit, BIg Z and Chandler. We didn't have the other weapons available to make that work fully in our favor, but as a team one day we WILL have more weapons to make teams pay. So you have to look at things from a different perspective sometimes.

Lots of players do little things that don't show up in the box score (or "in the numbers"). Curry's probably the last person who does though. Yeah, he draws fouls but then he misses free throws and he committs more turnovers than fouls.

Something that isn't often brought up was that the bulls traded Chandler for an expiring contract the very next season, and is curry really that much of an upgrade?

You realize that without the Curry trade, we approach this season differently? By early to mid season, you send Marbury home to let his knee recover. Play the young kids a lot, including a lot of Mardy at PG. The team finishes with a bottom 4 record in the league. We go into the next season with Brandon Roy, David Lee and likely one of Oden, Hibbert, or Durant.

People would really prefer Curry over that???

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-03-2007 2:03 PM]

Basically this is our team right now

Useless: Frye, Morris, Jefferies, James

Marginal Role Players: Q (50 games makes him one), Rose

Unachievers that will never change: Curry, Crawford, Francis, Nate

Building Blocks: Lee, Balkman, Collins

Aging Star: Marbury

Bolded are players that can't be moved

Isiah has managed to deflect blame from himself through lies and injuries. All the blame went to Larry when the simple fact of the matter is he put together this roster, all the blame was on layden but if isiah just stood pat the last two years we would be looking at cap room.

No Francis, Curry, Jefferies, James, Q, two lottery selections and light at the end of the tunnel not illusion of a 44 win team next season. And Frye is awful he is a marginal nba talent at best

Marv I am watching the kids defensive instincts and they just don't appear to be there, he is another soft big guy with a questionable work ethic, and his love of the game has been question. One of those kids that plays the game because he is tall.

I think he has channings makeup and eddy work ethic from most reports

Posted by MS:

Marv I am watching the kids defensive instincts and they just don't appear to be there, he is another soft big guy with a questionable work ethic, and his love of the game has been question. One of those kids that plays the game because he is tall.

I think he has channings makeup and eddy work ethic from most reports

Morris? I have only seen 7 minutes or whatever of him and I saw him rotate on help D and play with some nice energy while rebounding. Let's let this one simmer a bit.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by holfresh:


Curry dislocated two fingers in the first half, can we say warrior?...Curry is still better than any combo you could put together from that trade...But I still think it's early to get a true evaluation...We still have to see how Tyrus Thomas and the next pick turns out...

Brandon Roy and Roy Hibbert
Brandon Roy and Jeff Green
Lamarcus Aldridge and Green
LaMarcus and Brewer

How about:

Marcus Williams
Brandon Roy
Andrew Bynum
Balkman
Lee

Jack Jarrett
Jeff Green

And no Curry, Frye or Nate

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by holfresh:


Curry dislocated two fingers in the first half, can we say warrior?...Curry is still better than any combo you could put together from that trade...But I still think it's early to get a true evaluation...We still have to see how Tyrus Thomas and the next pick turns out...

Brandon Roy and Roy Hibbert
Brandon Roy and Jeff Green
Lamarcus Aldridge and Green
LaMarcus and Brewer

How about:

Marcus Williams
Brandon Roy
Andrew Bynum
Balkman
Lee

Jack Jarrett
Jeff Green

And no Curry, Frye or Nate

How is that team different or better than our current team...The guards are still the scorers and you are weak defensively up front...

Posted by MS:

I really like that group of players i know jack is never going to be unreal but i liked his size and leadership and the fact that he led his team to the title game. And in the situation i would have taken bynum because if you gamble and lose, fine your not on the hook for anything but a draft pick and you only hurt yourself you don't help anyone.....

Would have gone Marcus as well just because of his ball skills, Lowry a close second. Balkman does fit the suns, but so did lowry and they went ahead and signed banks so i think he is there at 29. He in all honesty is one of the few reasons to watch a game.......

Get point isles, i brought that up the other day, and the fact that if we still had ariza around instead of francis we could be a championship team soon and everyone of course was up in arms and fails to realize there would be cap relief coming, young talent from winning programs maturing together and free agents coming up like Lebron, Wade and I believe bosh or even kg once he opts out.

You build a unit of unselfish high energy talented kids good things happen.

I'm not saying that that team could challenge for the title in a few years although if they all progress as much as people think it would be a pretty good team, but that was what was possible. I didn't even get into the Marbury mistake.

If Isiah wasn't too busy Starphucking us we could have had a ton of young up and coming talent, some of which, in addition to the cap space we would have had, could have been used to acquire the real franchise player that we desperately need.

The bottomline is that bad teams that are rebuilding (Isiah went from "you can't rebuild in NY" to "we're in a slow painful rebuilding process") should NEVER trade high first round picks and take on salary. Isiah has traded away 4 high first round draft picks (3 in a 4 year period).

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by MS:

I really like that group of players i know jack is never going to be unreal but i liked his size and leadership and the fact that he led his team to the title game. And in the situation i would have taken bynum because if you gamble and lose, fine your not on the hook for anything but a draft pick and you only hurt yourself you don't help anyone.....

Would have gone Marcus as well just because of his ball skills, Lowry a close second. Balkman does fit the suns, but so did lowry and they went ahead and signed banks so i think he is there at 29. He in all honesty is one of the few reasons to watch a game.......

Get point isles, i brought that up the other day, and the fact that if we still had ariza around instead of francis we could be a championship team soon and everyone of course was up in arms and fails to realize there would be cap relief coming, young talent from winning programs maturing together and free agents coming up like Lebron, Wade and I believe bosh or even kg once he opts out.

You build a unit of unselfish high energy talented kids good things happen.

I'm not saying that that team could challenge for the title in a few years although if they all progress as much as people think it would be a pretty good team, but that was what was possible. I didn't even get into the Marbury mistake.

If Isiah wasn't too busy Starphucking us we could have had a ton of young up and coming talent, some of which, in addition to the cap space we would have had, could have been used to acquire the real franchise player that we desperately need.

The bottomline is that bad teams that are rebuilding (Isiah went from "you can't rebuild in NY" to "we're in a slow painful rebuilding process") should NEVER trade high first round picks and take on salary. Isiah has traded away 4 high first round draft picks (3 in a 4 year period).

Who are these coveted picks Isiah traded away?

He traded SEVEN picks to get Marbury and lazy Eddy

Posted by islesfan:

Oh and if Isiah really was a good drafter that would have helped as well. And it's not even hindsight since people were saying he should have drafted certain players at the time Isiah passed on them.

As usual you guys ignore the actual circumstances of the team. When Isiah got here, he was under orders NOT TO REBUILD but to retool and get the team into the playoffs. At the time we had H2O signed to a huge contract which is only now expiring, KT and a bunch of odd vets. So isiah did as he was told. He was eventually able to convince Dolan that they had to change course and so he did.

Now you all know that it wasn't going to be a strict rebuild since that would involve telling the paying customers that there wasn't going to be any chance of winning for many years. The way they did things was a business decision, to keep fans interested and the money rolling in. We all know that's all Dolan cares about, so unfortunately that's going to effect how Isiah works. We can quibble back and forth, but right now Curry is a dominant force inside and so far no one has been able to stop him except for Yao early in the season. If Curry can continue to develop his overall game we'll have a player that can anchor this team for years. We have Lee developing very well, so that's 2 guys right there who can anchor the froncourt. After them we have a Frye, Morris & Jared that have talent and we'll see who can emerge from that group to give us some consistency.

Balkman and Collins have shown us that we have a chance to be a better defensive team in the future. Then we'll see if we can draft a SF/SG who can help us on the perimeter, maybe a Morris Almond. I don't see how we're in any trouble at all in terms of building this team with Curry.