When I first got here a few years ago, preaching the same truths, I had nobody in my corner. Now I have over half of those who chose to respond with me.

That's what I call significant and evident progress.

(p.s. rvhoss' multiple personas are counted individually, which must be taken into consideration)

Posted by islesfan:

When I first got here a few years ago, preaching the same truths, I had nobody in my corner. Now I have over half of those who chose to respond with me.

That's what I call significant and evident progress.

(p.s. rvhoss' multiple personas are counted individually, which must be taken into consideration)

Isn't it funny how it worked out Isles? I remember having quite a few spats with you about where this team was and where this team was headed. Back then, I was on the opposite side of the fence and argued vehemently for Stephon Marbury and Isiah Thomas. Man what the hell was wrong with me!

Posted by nixluva:

The % has swung towards those who are with Islesfan, only due to the recent losing. If this team is a bit more healthy and wins a few more games, it's solidly in the 7th spot right now. I hardly see this as some kind of evidence that this team is way off in terms of what they hoped to accomplish this year.

Let's be honest about one thing, this team isn't so much changing direction as it is FINALLY starting to actually define the direction of the team. Some of you are just plain LOST when it comes to describing what Isiah has been doing with this team. When you speak of changing the plan many times, you CLEARLY don't know what the hell you're talking about. The idea is to change the team until you have a winner, so why was he supposed to stick with a team that was NOT going to win? Do you want him to just sit idle like Layden did? Make no effort to try and improve the team? Also where exactly is the plan that West had? What about Ainge, Knight, King or any of the other GM's whose teams aren't any better than ours after all of these supposed great plans they've been executing. So far only SA, Det, Phx and Dallas have really impressed me with how they've built their teams. They've been consistently good for years.

Does Wash actually have a plan or do they just happen to have a decent team that has ZERO chance of winning a title? Besides the fact that they have LeBron, is Cleveland a well executed plan? PLEASE!!! You guys seem to think that it's easy to just put together a great team. Many teams like Chicago and Boston have been at it since before Isiah ever got here. Chicago has finally gotten pretty good, but do you honestly think they can win a title?

This Knick team is just getting started. We at least have a sense of direction now. We have to fill some needs in order to refine that direction, but it's a far cry from what we had before. We have to allow Isiah to keep working on this and developing this team. You want to judge him on this NEW GROUP which has only been together for a little less than 2 years. Forget about the 2 years before this when we were still looking to make a go with H2O and KT. That's a different group and a different mindset. KEEP UP WITH CURRENT EVENTS!!! THOSE DAYS ARE OVER AND IT'S A NEW TEAM NOW!!! If you don't have the stomach to deal with a team that's rebuilding then stop watching. The rest of us REAL FANS, can stick it out and watch this team grow.

When did NY fans turn into such fair weathered pansies? You claim to want a rebuild and yet you can't even stomach this. You would somehow prefer that the team lose big for 3 years in hopes that we can get the #1 overall pick or somewhere in the top 5. I don't think you could take it. I think if the team decided to do that, i'd be writing to about 20 people and the rest of you would be watching women's field hockey or something.

*whistles The Ants Go Marching One by One*

As for you Nix... you obviously have no idea what the concept of rebuilding means. People here aren't mad because the team sucks because we are 'rebuilding', people are mad becuase the team sucks and we are NOT rebuilding. If you think this is rebuilding then you got another thing coming. Keep up with the nonfan remarks, they'll get you somewhere.

I don't want to vote on this poll because I don't like saying bad things after the knicks after losses. anyway not to make excuses but injuries definately play a part in putting them where they are now. but this team wasnt great even before then....

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by SlimPack:

I don't want to vote on this poll because I don't like saying bad things after the knicks after losses. anyway not to make excuses but injuries definately play a part in putting them where they are now. but this team wasnt great even before then....

Every team has had injuries


GET OVER THAT WEAK EXCUSE GEEZ!

WHAT? ARe you kidding me? How is losing 3 of the TOP players on your team a weak excuse? Take 3 top players off any roster and that team is going to struggle over the long haul. This team held on for a while, but it was bound to catch up with them at some point.


As for NYK4ever, you obviously didn't read what I wrote carefully. I KNOW that this isn't a traditional rebuild, which is why I mentioned what an actual rebuild would entail. You guys lack the patience to deal with EITHER path. It takes YEARS to build a team from scratch. Even then there's no guarantee that the team will draft the right player and become a perenial contender. Just ask Chicago and Boston about that. I contend that we woud likely be no closer to a title if we had tried to rebuild from scratch. For one thing we would have to 1st find a way to clear out the players we had when Isiah took over. That bunch wouldn't lose enough games. You have to REALLY SUCK to get that top pick. We may not have gotten THE top pick and perhaps we end up with only a decent player, but not a FRANCHISE player. If that happens for a couple of years, then what do you have?

Think about it? What you wanted this team to do, would've taken LONGER than 3 years. Right now we have a good core of young players and we'll be adding more. I just don't see how this isn't a valid way of building a team. Right now there are a handful of studs out there who can carry a team to a certain degree. Kobe, LeBron, Wade, McGrady. Then you have a bunch of good players, but not guys who have other worldly talent. Even if you have one of these guys you're either going to need another STUD or a GOOD overall TEAM. Then you have the teams like Utah and Detroit. This is the kind of team that I believ the Knicks will likely imitate. We're going to have a GOOD OVERALL team. Now that we've established a style of play, it will be easier to find players that fit into that scheme. We now have the makings of a POWER team. We pound people inside offensively and on the boards. We still need more perimeter shooters and another deft passer to make it all work. But you can see how effective it will be. This team is one of the better Rebounding and Offensive teams. That's with us being a horrible TO team. With better ball handling we can be much more efficient. Isiah has added another power guy who may one day help us to be even more punishing inside. We're one of the best teams in terms of drawing fouls and Morris is also good at doing that. If we can improve our FT shooting that will help as well.

Curry, Lee, Morris, Frye, Jared & Balkman can become a very solid group of young players. We can get rid of Cato and James and go 100% with youth. If we add a scoring SF and perhaps a PG, this team can be a very serious contender down the line. Steph, Jamal, Q, Nate and Collins isn't a bad group when you add the missing pieces. One day Isiah may decide to make a trade for a stud or he may not, but what he's doing with the roster is good.

Posted by kam77:

only 55%? And this during the darkest time of the year where rats flee the sinking ship, and only 55% are with islesfan??? Man... wonder what the result would be when the knicks are on a little win streak.

[Edited by - kam77 on 03-25-2007 10:59 PM]

It's a .400 team. When would it be a better time? This team never has real winning streaks.

21 with, 19 against... the Knicks have just thrown in the towel and only 52% are with islesfan. You gotta figure most of those "With islesfan" votes are due to frustration over the recent poor stretch where injuries have sapped our scoring punch.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by kam77:

21 with, 19 against... the Knicks have just thrown in the towel and only 52% are with islesfan. You gotta figure most of those "With islesfan" votes are due to frustration over the recent poor stretch where injuries have sapped our scoring punch.

kam, it goes to the poll i made a few months ago asking if you're comfortable with isiah as the gm. the poll was split...so this result is not surprising at all.

Do you think this forum represents an accurate mirroring of the views of all Knick fans? Do you think 50% of fans are with islesfan, even the ones who don't know who he is? Or is it that this forum is skewed with respect to the general knick fan public?

Posted by kam77:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by kam77:

21 with, 19 against... the Knicks have just thrown in the towel and only 52% are with islesfan. You gotta figure most of those "With islesfan" votes are due to frustration over the recent poor stretch where injuries have sapped our scoring punch.

kam, it goes to the poll i made a few months ago asking if you're comfortable with isiah as the gm. the poll was split...so this result is not surprising at all.

Do you think this forum represents an accurate mirroring of the views of all Knick fans? Do you think 50% of fans are with islesfan, even the ones who don't know who he is? Or is it that this forum is skewed with respect to the general knick fan public?

i don't think its black and white, there is a gray area where you don't like some things, but also feel good about other things. Isles has blind hate. Even if this team was a contender Isles would be bashing something as long as Isiah is here.

If the NBA isn't entertainment what is it?

Btw Isles,

The pendulum swings! Fans say they likey the Knicks.