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PresIke
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3/18/2007  2:36 PM
Nice 2nd half. Balkman and Jeffries played great, especially on defense. We get another strong game from Frye (back to back 20 point games...ship him out NOW!!!!) and Marbury also played well.

More bait for the anti-Curry crew (who happen to be anti-pretty much anything about the team, not surprisingly) but I have a hard time taking anyone who thinks that the Knicks are better w/o Curry seriously as an objective observer. That was the same B.S. line we used to hear when Ewing was here.

Gus Johnson, king homer himself, is smoking some stuff if he thinks the Knicks are in the drivers seat to make the playoffs though. This is because we will only be given a good shot to win 3 of our last seven games, all of which will pretty much be seen as MUST WINS, unless we can pull of an upset in the two games each against the Mavs and Cavs. The good news is those 2 of the 3 most winable games are all at home. That loss on Friday and arguably the one against Toronto last week where we played well most of the game to blow it, really hurt now.

Am I saying I've given up on our team? Hecks no, but of the four teams fighting for those last two spots, only Indiana has as tough a schedule as us, while Orlando and the Nets play more beatable teams. With the Nets apparently healthy that makes things even tougher.

Nice win today though, and I really liked the defensive effort, even up by 20 in the fourth. Historically, those are the types of leads that we come into the last quarter and give away. The intensity on D was really good to see. It's just too bad we have to play such 2 games a piece against a practically unbeatable Dallas team and a very hot Cleveland squad.
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3/18/2007  2:37 PM
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Al Trautwig is infuriating. MSG really can't get any better people?

No. This is Dolan Regime. You can only deal with it. ;)
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3/18/2007  2:40 PM
More bait for the anti-Curry crew (who happen to be anti-pretty much anything about the team, not surprisingly) but I have a hard time taking anyone who thinks that the Knicks are better w/o Curry seriously as an objective observer. That was the same B.S. line we used to hear when Ewing was here.

So, wait, the Ewing Theory is now the Curry Theory?

BTW, I agree with you about Gus. I can't stand Mike "Doom and Gloom, Root for the Opponents" Breen but I find Gus very annoying too. He's too much of a "rah-rah" cheerleader (i/e the type of people Little Jimmy likes).

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3/18/2007  2:42 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Amazing how the team performed when Curry left and was replaced by effort and defense.

I was thinking the same exact thing Andrew.
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3/18/2007  2:43 PM
but I have a hard time taking anyone who thinks that the Knicks are better w/o Curry seriously as an objective observer.

I don't think it is as cut and dry as it may appear.

The Knicks have a different identity when he isn't on the floor. They are better defensively, hustle more, rebound better and there is more overall movement. If a Curry-less team was given time to play together, I think they might be able to make some noise.
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3/18/2007  2:46 PM
More bait for the anti-Curry crew (who happen to be anti-pretty much anything about the team, not surprisingly) but I have a hard time taking anyone who thinks that the Knicks are better w/o Curry seriously as an objective observer. That was the same B.S. line we used to hear when Ewing was here.

Before everyone gets crazy about how we're better off without Curry, based on the third quarter today, we were also without Craw, Q, and Lee.

Its not that we don't have talent. it's that we have too many players who can play and until we shed several pieces, the other pieces won't find a regular comfortable rhythm and we'll stay a .500 team.
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3/18/2007  2:46 PM
This forum has been turning more and more into the place of relative impatience, selective memory/reasoning, and the negative spin of news despite any evidence to the contrary.

I understand we have gone through years of bad play, but so have many NBA teams before us. It's quite understandable to be frustrated, but ever wonder if this frustration jades one's ability to rationally analyze the team? I think it did for me for a while, but since the beginning of this year I've tried to enjoy things more rather than bemoan over every possible minor example that might support a statement that is generally unsupported (i.e. the Knicks are better without Curry on the floor...or Marbury...or Ewing).

P.S. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with criticizing the team, but those who spend every waking moment trying to find ways to do so possess little credibility, from my point of view.

[Edited by - PresIke on 03-18-2007 2:51 PM]
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3/18/2007  2:48 PM
Posted by Bobby:

in their last 10 games this was the only double digit loss.....look for ny to make amends

.....also look for ny to hand toronto their lowest scoring game this year!

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3/18/2007  2:49 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Andrew:

Amazing how the team performed when Curry left and was replaced by effort and defense.

I was thinking the same exact thing Andrew.

So was everyone who doesn't like him, distrusts him as a potential main guy, or has displayed examples of significant distrust of anything about the team under Isiah. This isn't exactly some amazing bit of insight, but back patting disguised as objective analysis.

[Edited by - PresIke on 03-18-2007 2:50 PM]
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3/18/2007  2:55 PM
Posted by kam77:
More bait for the anti-Curry crew (who happen to be anti-pretty much anything about the team, not surprisingly) but I have a hard time taking anyone who thinks that the Knicks are better w/o Curry seriously as an objective observer. That was the same B.S. line we used to hear when Ewing was here.

Before everyone gets crazy about how we're better off without Curry, based on the third quarter today, we were also without Craw, Q, and Lee.

Its not that we don't have talent. it's that we have too many players who can play and until we shed several pieces, the other pieces won't find a regular comfortable rhythm and we'll stay a .500 team.

While that is true you still have to look at the affects of the player that had a chance to make a significant impact but didn't and when taken out of the game is when the positive things immediately took place. Your statement would carry more weight if Crawford and Lee had actually played todays game and then when taken out things got better. They never stepped on the court meanwhile Curry did. Also Lee and Crawford aren't franchise players but Curry supposedly is according to ISAYUGH.
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3/18/2007  2:55 PM
You didn't think we played better when Balkman came in?
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3/18/2007  2:57 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Andrew:

Amazing how the team performed when Curry left and was replaced by effort and defense.

I was thinking the same exact thing Andrew.

So was everyone who doesn't like him, distrusts him as a potential main guy, or has displayed examples of significant distrust of anything about the team under Isiah. This isn't exactly some amazing bit of insight, but back patting disguised as objective analysis.

[Edited by - PresIke on 03-18-2007 2:50 PM]

Someones quite over analyzing. The facts of the game are that the team played better when Curry was out of the ball game. Curry doesnt play defense or rebound and when he was out of the game there were players in the game that did these things.

Some people here are more fans of the Knicks franchise and not just a singular player like some on this board.
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3/18/2007  3:21 PM
Posted by PresIke:

...I have a hard time taking anyone who thinks that the Knicks are better w/o Curry seriously as an objective observer. That was the same B.S. line we used to hear when Ewing was here.

You cannot mention Patrick and you know who in the same sentence -- that's just blasphemy.
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3/18/2007  3:31 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by PresIke:

...I have a hard time taking anyone who thinks that the Knicks are better w/o Curry seriously as an objective observer. That was the same B.S. line we used to hear when Ewing was here.

You cannot mention Patrick and you know who in the same sentence -- that's just blasphemy.

HAHA! After reading this again, I realize you didn't mention them in the same sentence -- just consecutive sentences, but I wanted to let you know it's still blasphemy.
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3/18/2007  3:52 PM
Posted by PresIke:

This forum has been turning more and more into the place of relative impatience, selective memory/reasoning, and the negative spin of news despite any evidence to the contrary.

I understand we have gone through years of bad play, but so have many NBA teams before us. It's quite understandable to be frustrated, but ever wonder if this frustration jades one's ability to rationally analyze the team? I think it did for me for a while, but since the beginning of this year I've tried to enjoy things more rather than bemoan over every possible minor example that might support a statement that is generally unsupported (i.e. the Knicks are better without Curry on the floor...or Marbury...or Ewing).

P.S. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with criticizing the team, but those who spend every waking moment trying to find ways to do so possess little credibility, from my point of view.

what exactly is objective analysis? and what credibility are you seeking? credibility from posters? what does that mean? does that mean we actually know what we're talking about? b/c that would be the premise. word of advice, NONE of us have any credibility and NONE of us know what we're talking about.

with that said, here's some more non-credibility from my end...

the players on this team are offensive minded. steph can score. francis can score. frye can score. nate can score. and they're best when they can just score when they want to. no thinking involved. just react and do what they want to do naturally. but with eddy in the game, they have to force the ball down low. they have to castrate their own abilities to make it work with eddy. steph just can't score when he wants to. same goes for francis, nate and the others. it's not in their inherent natural ability to just dump it to the post and wait. now, i'm not saying what's the right way to run an offense or not, but it seems like the other players on the roster are hurt or "held back" scoring wise when eddy is the focal point of the offense. so if you want to make eddy the focal point of the offense, then there has to be some significant changes on the roster to accomodate for that. more guys that are willing to just wait for the kick out.

and if you want to talk about ewing, the answer is YES, that team WAS better off without ewing b/c the rest of the team's strengths were being hindered b/c they had to wait for ewing to go into his move (towards the end of the era with h20/spree/camby). it was not an optimization of the team's skills. the difference between ewing and curry is that at least ewing plays defense and still helps the team out on another end of the court. curry, on the other hand, if not scoring is 110% absolutely USELESS out there. and if the team's offense is actually BETTER with curry OFF the court, then it's not that far a leap to think this team may be better off without eddy.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03-18-2007 4:04 PM]
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3/18/2007  3:58 PM
Posted by Andrew:

You didn't think we played better when Balkman came in?

We did, but The Knicks were only down 2 at the half. Secondly, One half of one game does not form a reasonable sample size to cause justification for such assertions, especially when there seems to be some reasonable evidence to suggest that Curry's good play has been instrumental to the team's success this year. I've never said Curry's defense is good, nor can that or his rebounding inconsistency be a hinderence to the team at times, but to say we're better without him on the floor is a VERY strong statement to make based upon one half of one game, and I LOVE Balkman.
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3/18/2007  4:03 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by PresIke:

...I have a hard time taking anyone who thinks that the Knicks are better w/o Curry seriously as an objective observer. That was the same B.S. line we used to hear when Ewing was here.

You cannot mention Patrick and you know who in the same sentence -- that's just blasphemy.

HAHA! After reading this again, I realize you didn't mention them in the same sentence -- just consecutive sentences, but I wanted to let you know it's still blasphemy.

You are more than within your rights to say that Ewing was better than Curry is now, but I was not trying to compare the two as players. Your point uses a straw man argument and has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make which is thathistory has demonstrated that we Knick fans have found ways to often suggest that the team is better without, arguably, their most important/best player on the floor. I'm not even saying that this statement in itself is necessarily wrong, but without sufficient evidence it cannot hold much weight, especially when the team has shown to do pretty well when they are on. I'm just asking if we can self-reflect on our behavior towards Knick players.
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3/18/2007  4:20 PM
Posted by Andrew:

You didn't think we played better when Balkman came in?

Instead of crediting the win for who we took out, i think andrew is saying we should focus more on who we put in.
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3/18/2007  4:20 PM
nice win, but really we beat the raptors, when has that become such a feat. we played better with out curry lumbering around on defense. Balkman played like a center on defense and on the boards, a real center. this is why we won, along with frye and jeffries. I expect us to beat the mavs, bad teams get up for great ones. Then I expect us to lay an egg vs the blazers.. same old knicks..
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3/18/2007  4:27 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Bringing Frye in closer and upping the tempo. What a novel concept.

great point. and how about having 3 guys on the front line committed to shutting down the lane.....

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