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Bonn1997
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3/13/2007  2:41 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

How is Lee and curry hindering frye in anyway?
You can't focus on two low-post players at the same time. If every low-post play is for Eddy, none are for Channing, even though his jump hook is an awesome weapon and he can pass out of the double team better than Eddy can.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-13-2007 2:42 PM]
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3/13/2007  3:53 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by EnySpree:

How is Lee and curry hindering frye in anyway?
You can't focus on two low-post players at the same time. If every low-post play is for Eddy, none are for Channing, even though his jump hook is an awesome weapon and he can pass out of the double team better than Eddy can.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-13-2007 2:42 PM]

I would agree that channing has a very good hook shot with either hand. Would you agree that has nothing to do with how weak channing is as an overall ball player?

I will use brad miller as an example. I think channing can be this guy one day. Thing about it what I think and what I see on the court are two different things. Channing does not show an ability to play the game. When he talks about his game he refers to getting a few shots down to get him going. That to me is not enough.

Curry should not hinder a man from playing the game. If channing showed he could play well inside it would show. It simply doesn't. Brad miller had Jermaine oneal, and then he had webber. What does having a better post player have to do with getting their **** off in a game? It has nothing to do with shots cuz with channings game he should get some.
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3/13/2007  3:56 PM
There is no reason to trade Channing Frye for 25 cents on the dollar. Can we all agree to give him another offseason to work on his game? He did have to deal with an injury. We did just witness Q and Curry have horrible seasons last year for various reasons unrelated to talent.

Talent doesn't go away. Frye just needs to find his mojo. As a 6'11 2nd year man, i'm betting he will in due time. I dont want to watch that happen on the Celts or the Sixers thank you very much.

Frye reps good character. Whats wrong with that? He has the tools. He just needs the mojo... the confidence... and it would help if the team focused on getting him off like we focused on getting Curry off this year.
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3/13/2007  4:04 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by EnySpree:

How is Lee and curry hindering frye in anyway?
You can't focus on two low-post players at the same time. If every low-post play is for Eddy, none are for Channing, even though his jump hook is an awesome weapon and he can pass out of the double team better than Eddy can.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-13-2007 2:42 PM]

I would agree that channing has a very good hook shot with either hand. Would you agree that has nothing to do with how weak channing is as an overall ball player?
I agree he's weak overall as a bball player, but I don't think he's weaker overall than Eddy, especially when you consider that he's in year 2 and not being allowed to do what he does best. I have to give DJ credit for the idea but I think the team would be in the same or perhaps better position if they gave Eddy's role on offense entirely to Channing. He's good enough in the post to finish or draw double teams. And he can actually pass competently out of double teams. There's basically no difference in the defense or rebounding between Eddy and Channing.
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3/13/2007  4:25 PM
Channing's best friend when he's banging in the po... I mean settling for the J

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3/13/2007  5:06 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Philly is anothe team that could use frye, especially with dalembert. Dalembert is actually a better post player! Anyway, he could fit there. Thing is who do we want from them?

Edit: Steven hunter is a dude the knicks could use on the bench as that mobile shotblocker. That would make TMS happy, lol.

agreed about Philly... but you'd have to get back more than just Steven Hunter... he's a bit role player at best... i would want their 2nd rounder this year & next year along w/Hunter at the very least for Channing, or a future protected 1st rounder & Hunter, their choice... but i like that idea Eny... you know we need a shotblocker bro!

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3/13/2007  5:11 PM
Channing passes good out of the post? So WHEN has channing ever done that? Now I have seen him pass out cuz he was getting bullied out of position and I have seen him throw up that same hookshot with no spacing what so ever.

Simply having a hook shot does not mean you can post up. Channing doesn't have one move not even one that can actually provide space for him to get that hook shot off.

Another thing. Curry isn't perfect but he needs more credit than channing. Curry is having a better season cuz the knicks are going to him? No freakin way. Curry is actually scoring and getting double teamed. All of which just opens the window for channing to sucseed.

Again channing doesn't need to have the side cleared out for him everytime down the floor. That's bull****. All the more reason to trade him.
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3/13/2007  5:27 PM
Channing passes good out of the post?
I meant that he has some passing skills, which surely would translate into better low-post passing than Eddy. Channing's not gonna give you 5 to 10 turnovers for every assist.
Another thing. Curry isn't perfect but he needs more credit than channing. Curry is having a better season cuz the knicks are going to him?
better season than what? last year's disaster? Yes. His contract year in Chicago? No.
Channing doesn't have one move not even one that can actually provide space for him to get that hook shot off.
What do you mean? Creating space for the low-post player has to do with how the other four offensive players are positioned, which is up to the PG and coach (not the big man). Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean.
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3/13/2007  6:58 PM
Ask allanfan about providing space to get a shot off. It has nothing to do with the other teamates. Channing has to make a move to free up his jumphook. Ask killer how to get off a shot in the post. Ask Dj. Channing has no mobility. No skill.

Yeah channing is a good passer. Good passer as in Brad miller or webber not shaq or ewing.

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3/13/2007  6:59 PM
contract season is next year. wouldn't be surprised if frye's agent starts making a little noise about PT or wanting to be moved. ny gives you the big money tho...so it should be interesting to see how it plays out.
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3/13/2007  7:19 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

contract season is next year. wouldn't be surprised if frye's agent starts making a little noise about PT or wanting to be moved. ny gives you the big money tho...so it should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Yeah man very interesting.

I don't hate channing as a person. I just hate his game and I know enough that this guy can be somebody. I hope that this mofo reads some of the stuff said or someone points it out to him. He can be a player and he can be one as a knick. He himself has to look beyond touches and shots. The ball is in his court.
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3/13/2007  7:29 PM
Another thing. What's wrong with trading away a player and watching him sucseed somewhere else? The bulls are notorious for letting talent go. Look at the bulls now. I hate paxson but look at some of the players that he has given up on. Tons of players that he has traded away went on to have productive careers. Artest, Brad miller, craw, curry, Chandler, etc. Life goes on.

Moral? Who cares about channing and his mouthpiece? Knicks have Lee and curry. The knicks should also have no problem replacing a 10/5 power fwd.
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3/13/2007  8:04 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Ask allanfan about providing space to get a shot off. It has nothing to do with the other teamates. Channing has to make a move to free up his jumphook. Ask killer how to get off a shot in the post. Ask Dj. Channing has no mobility. No skill.
Oh, you're referring to creating your own shot when you say creating space. It makes sense now. I've seen Frye do that pretty well when he actually plays in the post. He can get shots off easily because his arms are so long and his release is so high.
Yeah channing is a good passer. Good passer as in Brad miller or webber not shaq or ewing.
That's a GIGANTIC step up from Eddy (and this whole conversation was about having Channing vs. having Eddy in the low post. We have no Shaq; obviously we're not putting Shaq in the low post!)

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-13-2007 8:05 PM]
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