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3/3/2007  7:58 PM
Posted by islesfan:

You see Shaq carrying the Heat with a big win against the top team in the East tonight. And then you see Curry complaining about who his team was missing against Boston and being pretty non existent the last 2 games. It was a perfect example of how soft his stats are. Tonight's win was all about Marbury and Q. Curry scored 22 points but disappeared down the stretch when the game was on the line.

I don't see any urgency or willingness on Curry's part to put this team on his shoulders and carry them to the playoffs. Curry is supposed to be our go to guy. That doesn't mean just the last few minutes of close games. That means whenever we need him, he should want the ball and demand it and carry them. I don't see the fire in him, I don't see the desire.

People get all worked up if Curry scores more points than Shaq as he works himself into shape. But in a must win game is there any doubt, even in the twilight of his career, that Shaq can and will put his team on his shoulders? I've never seen Curry do that.

Based on what we gave up to get him, how much they've blown his head up and how they're mistakenly planning on building around him, you would think that he would at least step it up against the bad teams like Boston and G.S. and Atlanta. So far he hasn't.

Does it bother anybody else that they're going to build around a complementary player? That's a recipe for failure. But what else is new.

This is old news. Curry isn't carrying anyone on his shoulders. He'd be a great compliment to a real center, a superstar but we don't have one and I now know nobody on this board wants one that might be available in this league. But don't you worry bout that, because our ratings are way up.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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3/3/2007  8:04 PM
Curry most definitely isn't a franchise player. One dimensional scorers are never franchise players. In My eyes, he's Ron Mercer if Mercer played against garbage at his position almost every night.
That's a great comparison. I've said for a while he's a C version of somewhere between Hubert Davis and Allan Houston. I think you named the kind of man I was thinking of! Sad part is we gave up four draft picks (2 lottery) for our Ron Mercer.
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3/3/2007  8:34 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Curry most definitely isn't a franchise player. One dimensional scorers are never franchise players. In My eyes, he's Ron Mercer if Mercer played against garbage at his position almost every night.
That's a great comparison. I've said for a while he's a C version of somewhere between Hubert Davis and Allan Houston. I think you named the kind of man I was thinking of! Sad part is we gave up four draft picks (2 lottery) for our Ron Mercer.

A 'C' version? Where do you guys get some of this stuff?
I'll never trust this' team again.
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3/3/2007  8:50 PM
"C" as in Center
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3/3/2007  8:59 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

"C" as in Center

Doesn't make total sense, because it still sounds like your talking about A, B & C 'levels of some kind.
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3/3/2007  10:48 PM
I guess the franchise player on this team is still Starbury.

That just sucks.

Eddy cheering on the bench while we lean on Marbury.

That's some rebuild. Talk about false hope.
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3/3/2007  11:32 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I guess the franchise player on this team is still Starbury.

That just sucks.

Eddy cheering on the bench while we lean on Marbury.

That's some rebuild. Talk about false hope.


I got a kick out of him when he got pulled in OT after sitting out most of the 4rth qrt while the team mounted the comeback because he couldn't get back on D and contest shots. As he walks to the bench getting pulled, he's laughing towards David Lee and goofing smacking his hand giving high fives. I'm thinking to myself "This guy has no clue or is even aware what greatness is all about".

LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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3/3/2007  11:42 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

I guess the franchise player on this team is still Starbury.

That just sucks.

Eddy cheering on the bench while we lean on Marbury.

That's some rebuild. Talk about false hope.


I got a kick out of him when he got pulled in OT after sitting out most of the 4rth qrt while the team mounted the comeback because he couldn't get back on D and contest shots. As he walks to the bench getting pulled, he's laughing towards David Lee and goofing smacking his hand giving high fives. I'm thinking to myself "This guy has no clue or is even aware what greatness is all about".

It's sad. Boston, Golden State and Atlanta are really weak in the middle and Curry still couldn't dominate and carry the team.

Is Marbury supposed to be their PG of the future? If he's not then these close wins we're pulling out because of Marbury are nothing but fools gold. What are they learning? To give it to Marbury and get out of the way? If Curry is the guy that they keep telling us he is then he needs to be shouldering the load, not Marbury.
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3/3/2007  11:45 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

I guess the franchise player on this team is still Starbury.

That just sucks.

Eddy cheering on the bench while we lean on Marbury.

That's some rebuild. Talk about false hope.


I got a kick out of him when he got pulled in OT after sitting out most of the 4rth qrt while the team mounted the comeback because he couldn't get back on D and contest shots. As he walks to the bench getting pulled, he's laughing towards David Lee and goofing smacking his hand giving high fives. I'm thinking to myself "This guy has no clue or is even aware what greatness is all about".

It's sad. Boston, Golden State and Atlanta are really weak in the middle and Curry still couldn't dominate and carry the team.

Is Marbury supposed to be their PG of the future? If he's not then these close wins we're pulling out because of Marbury are nothing but fools gold. What are they learning? To give it to Marbury and get out of the way? If Curry is the guy that they keep telling us he is then he needs to be shouldering the load, not Marbury.


And on the flip side if you're Marbury you gotta have serious reservations about Curry even with his own health concerns. I'd have a very hard time being his teammate and vice versa because these players have a total entitlement attitude. I'll give Marbury some credit at least he tries to play defense even when he's outmatched.
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3/3/2007  11:56 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

So Curry isn't Shaq? okay.

Should have closed the thread right there.
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3/4/2007  12:10 AM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by crzymdups:

So Curry isn't Shaq? okay.

Should have closed the thread right there.

For those who aren't big on reading comprehension, I agree with you.
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3/4/2007  12:42 AM
Man you guys kill me. We need more than just a franchise player, you need more than one guy who is capable of carrying the team for periods of time. We have to keep developing our young players and hopefully look to add the kind of players we need to make this team into a title contender. There's nothing wrong with Curry being a mostly offensive player. Not when he's so efficient and disruptive to the other teams defense.

We have to hope that now that he's had a taste of what it's like to be a focal point on a team, that he'll work even harder to improve himself even more. To be motivated to be an All Star next year.
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3/4/2007  1:09 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Man you guys kill me. We need more than just a franchise player, you need more than one guy who is capable of carrying the team for periods of time. We have to keep developing our young players and hopefully look to add the kind of players we need to make this team into a title contender. There's nothing wrong with Curry being a mostly offensive player. Not when he's so efficient and disruptive to the other teams defense.

We have to hope that now that he's had a taste of what it's like to be a focal point on a team, that he'll work even harder to improve himself even more. To be motivated to be an All Star next year.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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3/4/2007  1:18 AM
at least on this fine evening, starbury and stevie franchise did indeed carry this team
......hey, just for the hell of it, lets throw curry under the bus
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3/4/2007  1:19 AM
When you're a 24 yr old, 6'11" with one of the most physically gifted bodies in the league and the coach has to use a washed up 6'4" 32 year old (MR) for a defensive sub, it's stunning.
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3/4/2007  8:51 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Curry most definitely isn't a franchise player. One dimensional scorers are never franchise players. In My eyes, he's Ron Mercer if Mercer played against garbage at his position almost every night. Hopefully, the Knicks can find one in some miracle situation... however, Curry seems to be on his way to being a legitimate second banana in a long succession of, at best, second bananas at MSG.

Our best hope as fans is either (1) that the combination of Curry, Crawford, Lee and (hopefully Balkman) yield a talented ensemble a la Detroit, but that is HIGHLY unrealistic or (2) that combination can yield LeBron or something similar.

I agree now if we can only convice people that Dirk and Nash aren't for the same reasons.
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3/4/2007  9:38 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Curry most definitely isn't a franchise player. One dimensional scorers are never franchise players. In My eyes, he's Ron Mercer if Mercer played against garbage at his position almost every night. Hopefully, the Knicks can find one in some miracle situation... however, Curry seems to be on his way to being a legitimate second banana in a long succession of, at best, second bananas at MSG.

Our best hope as fans is either (1) that the combination of Curry, Crawford, Lee and (hopefully Balkman) yield a talented ensemble a la Detroit, but that is HIGHLY unrealistic or (2) that combination can yield LeBron or something similar.

I agree now if we can only convice people that Dirk and Nash aren't for the same reasons.

Dirk has carried his team to the Finals and to an unbelievable record this season.

Nash has won 2 MVP's and has them playing at an elite level.

How is that remotely the same as Curry's soft 19 points and never being able to carry his team anywhere?
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3/4/2007  10:09 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

I guess the franchise player on this team is still Starbury.

That just sucks.

Eddy cheering on the bench while we lean on Marbury.

That's some rebuild. Talk about false hope.


I got a kick out of him when he got pulled in OT after sitting out most of the 4rth qrt while the team mounted the comeback because he couldn't get back on D and contest shots. As he walks to the bench getting pulled, he's laughing towards David Lee and goofing smacking his hand giving high fives. I'm thinking to myself "This guy has no clue or is even aware what greatness is all about".

It's sad. Boston, Golden State and Atlanta are really weak in the middle and Curry still couldn't dominate and carry the team.

Is Marbury supposed to be their PG of the future? If he's not then these close wins we're pulling out because of Marbury are nothing but fools gold. What are they learning? To give it to Marbury and get out of the way? If Curry is the guy that they keep telling us he is then he needs to be shouldering the load, not Marbury.
Yeah, and he's been in the league half the time Curry has and has shown a willingness and ability to take over games offensively or defensively.

You don't have to do it ALL the time and you don't have to win EVERY game but you do have to step up. Howard does, Curry doesn't.


You said it yourself my friend, "You don't have to do it all the time" In this case, Steph and Stevie stepped up. So I guess this is how its going to be for the next 4yrs on this board. A bunch of complaining about EC and the picks we gave up. What will be the excuse when he is on the all-star team next year
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3/4/2007  11:00 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Curry most definitely isn't a franchise player. One dimensional scorers are never franchise players. In My eyes, he's Ron Mercer if Mercer played against garbage at his position almost every night. Hopefully, the Knicks can find one in some miracle situation... however, Curry seems to be on his way to being a legitimate second banana in a long succession of, at best, second bananas at MSG.

Our best hope as fans is either (1) that the combination of Curry, Crawford, Lee and (hopefully Balkman) yield a talented ensemble a la Detroit, but that is HIGHLY unrealistic or (2) that combination can yield LeBron or something similar.

I agree now if we can only convice people that Dirk and Nash aren't for the same reasons.

Dirk has carried his team to the Finals and to an unbelievable record this season.

Nash has won 2 MVP's and has them playing at an elite level.

How is that remotely the same as Curry's soft 19 points and never being able to carry his team anywhere?

First, Dirk is one of my favorite players and I made the comment tongue in cheek. I do compare Curry offensive prowless to those two. But in the case of Dirk, under the little general he has improved his defense tremendously. This guy now looks to play defense aggresively. Meanwhile Nash is as soft as Curry I don't care how many MVP awards he wins. He won't win a title without learning to play some man to man defense. Nash is Curry soft.
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3/4/2007  11:12 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Curry most definitely isn't a franchise player. One dimensional scorers are never franchise players. In My eyes, he's Ron Mercer if Mercer played against garbage at his position almost every night.
That's a great comparison. I've said for a while he's a C version of somewhere between Hubert Davis and Allan Houston. I think you named the kind of man I was thinking of! Sad part is we gave up four draft picks (2 lottery) for our Ron Mercer.


I didn't know we already finished in the lottery this year.
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