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Masterplan
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3/1/2007  10:02 AM
Posted by TMS:
Why Does This Team Struggle To String Together Consecutive Wins?

because they're a mediocre team at this point... they play up to better teams & play down to lesser teams... this isn't the first Knicks team i've seen that's had this problem... lacking any shotblocking presence down low hurts also, especially in the stretch of games where you must get a stop.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-01-2007 09:59 AM]

but this season is taking it to a new level, isn't it?
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3/1/2007  10:04 AM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by TMS:
Why Does This Team Struggle To String Together Consecutive Wins?

because they're a mediocre team at this point... they play up to better teams & play down to lesser teams... this isn't the first Knicks team i've seen that's had this problem... lacking any shotblocking presence down low hurts also, especially in the stretch of games where you must get a stop.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-01-2007 09:59 AM]

but this season is taking it to a new level, isn't it?

Yeah, I think this season is the most confusing season of basketball I've ever watched. I've never seen a team be more inconsistent.

I'm gonna channel Bippity on this one -- this team does not have a winning culture.
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3/1/2007  10:20 AM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by TMS:
Why Does This Team Struggle To String Together Consecutive Wins?

because they're a mediocre team at this point... they play up to better teams & play down to lesser teams... this isn't the first Knicks team i've seen that's had this problem... lacking any shotblocking presence down low hurts also, especially in the stretch of games where you must get a stop.

but this season is taking it to a new level, isn't it?


i wouldn't say that... the '98 & '99 teams had much better talent in Camby, Spree, Houston, LJ, but they still only managed to finish w/a barely above .500 record... yes, they played well in the postseason & made the Finals in '99, which is what they belonged w/all that talent to begin with, but i can remember so many games they'd lose to teams that didn't belong on the same court as them, or they would take 1st & 3rd quarters off & have to play catchup just like this team does... & let's not even start to talk about those pitiful Layden Knicks of the '02 & '03 seasons... in fact, this team has been this way ever since.
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3/1/2007  12:23 PM
98' we didn;t have sprewell, kurt thomas, or camby

99' coming off a lockout players were so out of shape, ewing was in meetings as the PAP was carrying around extra weight, and they were trying to plug in three players Camby, Spree, and Kurt into a system without a real training camp and a season....


And those pitful Layden teams always won over 35 games with ****ty players because they always played hard, and one year they won 39 games without spree for the first 10 and an injured dice, so i don't get this team or organizastion an slack
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3/1/2007  12:26 PM
And i think a lot of it falls on poor coaching, van gundy sucked the year we went to the finals and had houston not hit that shot the whole team was traded.

He refused to play spree in the right role and camby was in the dog house because he was not oakley, once the team finaly went uptempo they really strived.

Your bench was Camby, Spree and Childs and he didn't want to play uptempo ball, he wanted to slow down the team. The only reason they got things going was they played camby a ton of minutes in the pacers series, and moved sprewell into the starting lineup
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3/1/2007  12:27 PM
gimme a break... every team in the league had to face the same issues coming out of the lockoout... bottomline we had the talent to win a lot more games but didn't get it done... they squeaked into the playoffs & finally turned on the switch in the postseason.
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3/1/2007  12:37 PM
i agree, but it was a half season
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3/1/2007  12:44 PM
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>>Q. eVil- Why... with all your deep insight and knowledge of the team, can't the Knicks sustain success?

A. I thought you would never ask. Hold up while I peer into the magical Spalding crystal basketball.

If you compare the monthly records this season, the Knicks have been on a gradual ascent. Nothing flashy, but gradual. They have gone from sucking at home (1-6) to being respectable. That is a good sign.

For all the bright moments there have been speed bumps due to a variety of factors and unlike the desultory bleatings of MS, the work-in-progress that is the NYKnicks is not a result of Isiah sucking.

Somewhere in the offseason the players made a decision to improve on the disaster of last season. To the extent they have been able to mesh as a team is limited by the tiny window to cohere in training camp. What this season has been is a slow process from suckitude to respectibility.

Sustaining success, a difficult step, can be seen in the microcosm of last nights game where they fought back froom 20 down only to fade in the last 4 minutes. Should they have been down 20 to the pitiful Celtics? Who knows? Das why you play the games.

All i know is that for every setback, THESE Knicks have come back swinging. The ability to set the tone, or keep throwing haymakers, is a by-product of developing a playoff-level intensity from the opening tip.

I have no clue how teams step suddenly from one level to the next. Look at the Cavs trying to step from good to better. The Suns trying to get into the championship round from conference dominiance. The Mavs trying to step from annual playoff dissapointment to championship.

My Spider Sense sez the Knicks are learning every day and they are closer to that no-nonsense mentality than they have been in a decade. (99 don't count, it was lightning in a bottle)

They need the feel of a three game winning streak in March.

But what do I know?






[Edited by - misterearl on 03-01-2007 12:46 PM]
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3/1/2007  12:55 PM
Posted by MS:

i agree, but it was a half season

the year before the '99 season they still only finished 4 games over .500... i'm telling you the facts here... the team has been maddenly mediocre like this in years past... it's not just this season... if you haven't noticed it you either haven't been paying attention or last night's loss is still too fresh in your mind to realize it... games like last night & the one they lost to the Sixers will make you want to pull your hair out... then they'll come in & beat teams like the Lakers or Pistons & you'll think, "DAMN, why can't they play like this every game?!"... that's what teams like this one will do... consistency is what separates good teams from the rest... this team hasn't played with any consistency for the past several years.
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3/1/2007  12:59 PM
TMS - so the million dollar question remains... other than proposing a fantasy transaction, what are the qualities the Knicks leadership must instill in the current roster or look for in new talent?

In the immortal words of George Clinton and Parliament/Funkadelic:

"Gotta get ova the hump....

...Gotta get ova the hump...."
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Posted by misterearl:

TMS - so the million dollar question remains... other than proposing a fantasy transaction, what are the qualities the Knicks leadership must instill in the current roster or look for in new talent?

that's up to the players to do it... the coaches can only do so much to tell these guys to play defense, box out, rebound, rotate, etc... i'm sure Isiah's gone over all this in practice countless times w/these guys... they just lose focus on the court for long stretches & fall into a big hole that they have to really play hard to catch up from, & a lot of times they end up running out of gas because of it... Isiah needs to do a better job on his part to put the correct players on the floor according to the situation of the game... when he needed a defensive stop last night, he left Cato & Malik on the bench & stuck w/Curry when it was clear Jefferson was having his way w/him... that can't happen... Balkman i can understand since both Q Rich & Jefferies were having good games last night, but Eddy looked to be tired & unfocused all game long... he shouldn't have been left in the game during that stretch run.
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3/1/2007  1:31 PM
Why Does This Team Struggle To String Together Consecutive Wins?
its a poorly constructed roster lacking talent and dedicated players. Its not rocket science
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3/1/2007  2:23 PM
fish.mike - so what is your first roster move?

who are the "undedicated" players?
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