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Solace
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2/26/2007  5:11 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

Isn't there a decent chance that Phoenix trades thier pick, even if it's top 5? They seem content with their team and are very salary conscious. I only see them liking Durant, otherwise trading the pick away...

what about a package of Marion, KT & the pick for Kevin Garnett? do you think the Suns would do it? the TWolves? i think it would give the Suns a way to match up well w/the Mavs & Spurs in a playoff series, & also gives the TWolves some good talent in return for their franchise stud.

I actually wouldn't do that trade if I were Phoenix. Their chemistry is so good right now and I don't think KG is *that* much better than Marion at this point.
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2/26/2007  5:34 PM
Pheonix trading for garnett definately doesn't sound like their style. Their style sounds like they would go for oden if he comes out. They have atlantas pick? Oh baby that's pimpin.
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2/26/2007  6:15 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Pheonix trading for garnett definately doesn't sound like their style. Their style sounds like they would go for oden if he comes out. They have atlantas pick? Oh baby that's pimpin.


they don't get it if the pick is in the top 3, so forget about Phoenix getting Oden.

as for Marion, i think the upgrade in size is significant & gives them great matchups to the other big teams in the West... Marion & Garnett may give you similar production statwise, but Garnett gives you much more matchups that you can expose, & he's a guy that can create his own shot... but the chemistry issue is legit that Solace brought up i suppose... i still see it as an upgrade worth pursuing if i'm the Suns... they've run the gambit w/this squad & come up short 2 years running now... they need someone like KG to take them over the top in the postseason against bigger teams like the Spurs & Mavs IMO.
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2/26/2007  6:21 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Finestrg:

Compare Almond to Afflalo for me guys. Are they very similar? Too similar to even bother moving up to get Afflalo over Almond? Who's better right now and who will be better in the future? Who's a better fit for the Knicks?

I think they are very similar players offensively. Almond is a much better rebounder from the guard position and Afflao is a better defensive player. Heres my take though, Afflao is playing at UCLA and playing much better competition that Morris Almond is playing at Rice University. I think Almond fits the Knicks better because he's a more dynamic offensive player and I think his ability to rebound from the guard spot would be extremely beneficial to this team.

I will note though. You look at the 2 biggest teams that Rice has played this year, Gonzaga and Memphis heres what Almond has done.
11/14/06 @ Gonzaga - 4/15fgs, 13pts, 7rebs
2/22/07 @ Memphis - 5/14fgs, 15pts, 10rebs


Cause for concern? I dont know, just figured I'd bring some interesting notes to the table. I'd still take Almond though.
As for Sean Williams, gun to your head, where does he go in the draft? 1st round? 2nd? Undrafted?

Gun to my head, 1st round because he's 1st round talent. This guy has Eddie Griffen written all over him if you ask me though. I mean serious Eddie Griffen issues.

Great find.

Heres my 2 cents:

Afflalo is a throw-back player who utilizes the midrange game. Is a good catch and shoot player who uses screens well. I question his footspeed though. Seems a bit sluggish compared to some of the other elite athletes I've seen this yr in CBB. Also, he hangs out on the perimeter a bit much. The hanfull of times I've seen him, he rarely ever took it to the basket. He'd be a good get, but I doubt he will be there when we pick.

I've seen Almond twice. Seems more explosive than Afflalo. Takes it to the basket with authority. He's a much better scorer than Afflalo. Can shoot it but maybe not as good as Afflalo. I only question his handle and the comp he's played this yr.

I'd take Almond only if Marcus williams aint there. If Marcus Williams is there when we pick, we have to take him. He has lotto talent.


[Edited by - bigbeast on 02-26-2007 6:23 PM]

[Edited by - bigbeast on 02-26-2007 6:29 PM]
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2/26/2007  6:38 PM
I was looking over some stats concerning Almond heres what stood out:

He;s had some really explosive scoring games: 44 (against a good vnderbilt team), 42, 38 and 34.

He also had 3-4 games where he has taken between 18-20 freethrows which is a ton for a college basketball player.

He has also had some big rebounding games.
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2/26/2007  8:45 PM
Guys still have tons of time to show and prove. I never seen almond play but he sounds like a lottery guy.

Dequan Cook is more familiar to me. I still don't have a solid opinion p him. You guys have just talked about him in passing. Where do you guys see him going? And can you break his game down like you did the other guys?
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2/26/2007  11:29 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Guys still have tons of time to show and prove. I never seen almond play but he sounds like a lottery guy.

Dequan Cook is more familiar to me. I still don't have a solid opinion p him. You guys have just talked about him in passing. Where do you guys see him going? And can you break his game down like you did the other guys?

I don't think he's gonna come out, but that's just me. The reason I don't think he'll come out is because both Oden and Conley have led that team this year and Cook hasn't really had the chance to strut his stuff the best he can, because he's a huge scorer. Look for him to stay, especially if both Oden and Conley head into the draft. IF he came out this year, I'd see him going right after the lotto, but if he stays another year he can move up into the 5 area, ala Randy Foye.

Cook is an excellent shooter and he reminds me alot of Randy Foye. He's 6'5, so to excel in the pro-level he's going to have to hone his PG skills a bit, alot like Randy Foye is doing with the T'Wolves. He can shoot with the best of them and he's dynamic off the dribble. His defense is average, but he has the quickness and athleticism to be a very good defender. Very nice player.
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2/27/2007  12:32 AM
Posted by bigbeast:

I was looking over some stats concerning Almond heres what stood out:

He;s had some really explosive scoring games: 44 (against a good vnderbilt team), 42, 38 and 34.

He also had 3-4 games where he has taken between 18-20 freethrows which is a ton for a college basketball player.

He has also had some big rebounding games.

Yeah, good call bigbeast. Here's some more inside the numbers on this kid Almond:

05/06 - 32.3 mins/game, 21.9 pts/game, 5.8 rebs/game
06/07 - 32.9 mins/game, 26.4 pts/game, 6.4 rebs/game

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Also looking over the stats and I really liked the overall shooting %s:

FG% - 05/06: 50%
06/07: 48.5%

FT% - 05/06: 79.5%
06/07: 86.8%

3pt% - 05/06: 44.4%
06/07: 45%

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Only alarming stat is the turnovers:

05/06: 2.9/game, .40 A/T rate
06/07: 3.3/game, .37 A/T rate

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Now that's a lot of turnovers, especially for a guard. But overall the numbers look impressive. I especially like the overall shooting percentages which really standout when you compare them to what we're all used to with Crawford and Quentin Richardson. He'd be a nice addition. We'd be in nice shape if we landed this kid.

I had a hard time finding any video of Almond. I just found these highlights of what appears to be his last High School game. Here's the link: http://homepage.mac.com/digitalhoops/Pages/Morris_Almond.html. Enjoy fellas!

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2/27/2007  1:05 AM
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2/27/2007  3:36 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by EnySpree:

Guys still have tons of time to show and prove. I never seen almond play but he sounds like a lottery guy.

Dequan Cook is more familiar to me. I still don't have a solid opinion p him. You guys have just talked about him in passing. Where do you guys see him going? And can you break his game down like you did the other guys?

I don't think he's gonna come out, but that's just me. The reason I don't think he'll come out is because both Oden and Conley have led that team this year and Cook hasn't really had the chance to strut his stuff the best he can, because he's a huge scorer. Look for him to stay, especially if both Oden and Conley head into the draft. IF he came out this year, I'd see him going right after the lotto, but if he stays another year he can move up into the 5 area, ala Randy Foye.

Cook is an excellent shooter and he reminds me alot of Randy Foye. He's 6'5, so to excel in the pro-level he's going to have to hone his PG skills a bit, alot like Randy Foye is doing with the T'Wolves. He can shoot with the best of them and he's dynamic off the dribble. His defense is average, but he has the quickness and athleticism to be a very good defender. Very nice player.

That's how I view him also.

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2/27/2007  3:59 AM
i wanna see how these guys do in the tournament before comparing them. pac-10 and the big ten are the strongest conferences, and they have pretty different playing styles, so it'd be interesting to see how the teams matchup
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2/27/2007  7:35 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

Isn't there a decent chance that Phoenix trades thier pick, even if it's top 5? They seem content with their team and are very salary conscious. I only see them liking Durant, otherwise trading the pick away...

i dont think their payroll can absorb another big contract--there are nice players at the top of the draft

i'll tell you another sleeper who will make the nba for sure is strawberry's son. he plays as hard as anyone in cbb and his skill level keeps improving.

So, the question is, do we have what it takes to get that pick (if it's 3 - 8 ish), so we can get a great shooting guard. More than likely they'd want to dump a contract on us, if it's less than 3 years, maybe we should bight. As long as it doesn't F up our salary cap situation...
Ideas?

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2/27/2007  9:37 AM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

Isn't there a decent chance that Phoenix trades thier pick, even if it's top 5? They seem content with their team and are very salary conscious. I only see them liking Durant, otherwise trading the pick away...

i dont think their payroll can absorb another big contract--there are nice players at the top of the draft

i'll tell you another sleeper who will make the nba for sure is strawberry's son. he plays as hard as anyone in cbb and his skill level keeps improving.

So, the question is, do we have what it takes to get that pick (if it's 3 - 8 ish), so we can get a great shooting guard. More than likely they'd want to dump a contract on us, if it's less than 3 years, maybe we should bight. As long as it doesn't F up our salary cap situation...
Ideas?

You could just offer Frye for the pick--Frye seems like he would fit in there darn good. If it cost more-like it terms of taking back Marcus Banks--it depends on how hot the knicks are on a certain guy. The pick is protected 1-3 so your'e looking @ 6-9 realistically. That is a pretty fair trade off for Frye IF the Knicks have a player they want sitting there.
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2/27/2007  9:50 AM
i don't think any team is going to trade us a top 10 pick for Frye at this point... last year, sure, but his value has gone way down.
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2/27/2007  11:44 AM
Just a thought....I remember during the 2005 draft, I was hoping for Danny Granger or Gerald Green for the 8th pick..and you all know what happend...This year, I am hoping for Almond...but I am reading about some of the concerns about him, which reminds about Danny Granger, that he played against less competition...but look how he is playing in the NBA.
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2/27/2007  11:54 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

Isn't there a decent chance that Phoenix trades thier pick, even if it's top 5? They seem content with their team and are very salary conscious. I only see them liking Durant, otherwise trading the pick away...

i dont think their payroll can absorb another big contract--there are nice players at the top of the draft

i'll tell you another sleeper who will make the nba for sure is strawberry's son. he plays as hard as anyone in cbb and his skill level keeps improving.

So, the question is, do we have what it takes to get that pick (if it's 3 - 8 ish), so we can get a great shooting guard. More than likely they'd want to dump a contract on us, if it's less than 3 years, maybe we should bight. As long as it doesn't F up our salary cap situation...
Ideas?

You could just offer Frye for the pick--Frye seems like he would fit in there darn good. If it cost more-like it terms of taking back Marcus Banks--it depends on how hot the knicks are on a certain guy. The pick is protected 1-3 so your'e looking @ 6-9 realistically. That is a pretty fair trade off for Frye IF the Knicks have a player they want sitting there.

I would start show casing Frye. Jumpsot shooting big men are all the rage in the NBA.....
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2/27/2007  11:58 AM
After looking at some video of a few players on You Tube, I think maybe Marco Belinelli might be my man. The kid can shoot it AND he puts it on the floor well too (doesn't look one-dimensional at all - in fact, almost all of his highlights I saw were drives and dunks). But the real key here is that he might be the purest shooter out of any of these guys we're talking about here. I really wanted a shooter at the SF position, more in the 6'6"-6'8" range (and this kid's 6'5"), to team up with Marbury and Crawford all at the same time but at 6'5" he can play a little 3 I guess. Draftexpress compares him to a young Brent Barry and I'd have to agree with that. What do you guys think of this kid?
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2/27/2007  12:15 PM
Posted by Finestrg:

After looking at some video of a few players on You Tube, I think maybe Marco Belinelli might be my man. The kid can shoot it AND he puts it on the floor well too (doesn't look one-dimensional at all - in fact, almost all of his highlights I saw were drives and dunks). But the real key here is that he might be the purest shooter out of any of these guys we're talking about here. I really wanted a shooter at the SF position, more in the 6'6"-6'8" range (and this kid's 6'5"), to team up with Marbury and Crawford all at the same time but at 6'5" he can play a little 3 I guess. Draftexpress compares him to a young Brent Barry and I'd have to agree with that. What do you guys think of this kid?

Haven't seen any video on him or anything, but just from reading some reports about it, he sounds like someone this team should seriously consider. The Knicks still haven't taken advantage of the foreign influx of players in the NBA and at 6'6 this kid can give us a lights out a shooter from the SG position. To ME, just from reading the reports he sounds like a better version of Sarunas Jasikevicus, because he shoots lights-out, has very good ball-handling skills and can slash and get to the hoop, something Sarunas can't do.

Isiah should definitely consider this guy because this team needs a pure SG terribly.
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2/27/2007  1:13 PM
Yeah definitely bro. Tell me this wouldn't look nice:

5 - Curry
4 - Lee
3 - Richardson
2 - Belinelli
1 - Marbury
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Bench:

Crawford
Sean Williams
Frye
Balkman
Robinson
Collins
Malik Rose
Jeffries
Big Turd
Cato
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So that's it. I want a lights out shooter (Belinelli) and I want to take a chance on the shotblocker Sean Williams. They've got to make that happen. Then we trim some of the fat off the roster. Cato comes off the cap, Rose gets bought out, and possibly a 2-for-1 trade is made in the offseason or on draft night.

Only thing left to cover is the PG position moving forward after Marbury. I guess Crawford would have to take the reins full-time, which might not be a bad thing. He's shown he can distribute and he sets up Curry better than anyone on the team. I'm not sold, however, on Collins or Nate Robinson ever getting major minutes running the show at the 1. So maybe we draft another point guard next year.

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