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Very few.

Which few?

Chicago
Toronto
Cleveland
Charlotte
Houston
(which ever team gets Oden if not one of the above)

So between the next 2 to 4 years, the thread starters definition of "future", you believe that those 5-6 teams are the only ones who will surpass the Knicks level of success?

I'm focusing on the 4 years part of it.

So you think the Suns wouldn't have a better future? with Barbosa, Diaw, Stoudamire?

I think they will take a big step back without Nash, so no.

But will their step back, or any currently successful team, put them behind whatever success you think the Knicks will have in the next 2-4 years?

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Posted by Rich:

Very few.

Which few?

Chicago
Toronto
Cleveland
Charlotte
Houston
(which ever team gets Oden if not one of the above)

So between the next 2 to 4 years, the thread starters definition of "future", you believe that those 5-6 teams are the only ones who will surpass the Knicks level of success?

I'm focusing on the 4 years part of it.

Would your opinion change if you judged it on a 2-4 year basis?

Two, yes, because some of the aging teams can still be good within that timeframe. I don't really see that as a better future.

Do you think that it's more or less likely that a team with the Knicks cap problems and who still owe 1 first round pick in the next 4 years in addition to potentially having to swap picks this year will be more successful in 2-4 years than a team that has been built well and is currently having success?

As long as they don't give up the rights to Oden or Durant (which could have lasting psychological damage), I think Frye's value can be rehabilitated to the point that they can get another big piece. If Curry and Lee continue to develop, along with Balkman and Craw, and Marbury doesn't regress, I think Isiah can find another player or two where ever they draft, and they will be have a chance to be very good.

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Posted by Rich:

Very few.

Which few?

Chicago
Toronto
Cleveland
Charlotte
Houston
(which ever team gets Oden if not one of the above)

So between the next 2 to 4 years, the thread starters definition of "future", you believe that those 5-6 teams are the only ones who will surpass the Knicks level of success?

I'm focusing on the 4 years part of it.

Would your opinion change if you judged it on a 2-4 year basis?

Two, yes, because some of the aging teams can still be good within that timeframe. I don't really see that as a better future.

Do you think that it's more or less likely that a team with the Knicks cap problems and who still owe 1 first round pick in the next 4 years in addition to potentially having to swap picks this year will be more successful in 2-4 years than a team that has been built well and is currently having success?

As long as they don't give up the rights to Oden or Durant (which could have lasting psychological damage), I think Frye's value can be rehabilitated to the point that they can get another big piece. If Curry and Lee continue to develop, along with Balkman and Craw, and Marbury doesn't regress, I think Isiah can find another player or two where ever they draft, and they will be have a chance to be very good.

Those are a lot of if's. And some big ones at that. Of course this whole question is a big if.

If Nash doesn't regress then you would have to put the Suns amongst those teams that you listed. I'd put my money on Nash staying at close to his level of play than Marbury.

Hey, you have to take into consideration what the team will actually spend. If we get into a position someday where the dream of all dreams happens and Lebron, Wade, or Mello has the opportunity to come to New York we would actually make it happen even if it puts us way over the cap.

With that said, you can't put the Bobcats on our level, you can't put the Bucks on our level, and you can't put Atlanta on our level. These are teams that we're ahead of now and we'll be ahead of later. The Bobs had enough trouble drafting, picking homers and ticket draws like The 'Stache. What a joke he is. Now they have MJ running the front office, can't wait to see who he picks in this year's lottery after the Kwame disaster.

Are we stocked to the point where you can see it developing into a championship team, no. We really need a dominant wing in order for that to happen. Hopefully Isiah can build Craw/Balkman/Collins into one or trade Frye/Nate for one.

Bottom line is that teams would trade a great deal of their players for what we have in Curry and Lee and we should be at least content with that.