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misterearl
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2/28/2007  2:46 PM
and doesn't Marbury have the right as an American to wear a towel on his head if he wants? Camby wore one quite nicely as I remember.

The Camby Sheik stylation was quite spiffy
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misterearl
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2/28/2007  2:47 PM
MS - I never claimed I knew what I was talking about. You are the expert.

I'm just a squirrel...

[Edited by - misterearl on 02-28-2007 2:47 PM]
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2/28/2007  3:04 PM
Posted by MS:

No one ever doubted his ability to score:

Eddy Positives

Positives
-Great hands and touch around the basket
-Very strong on the low block
-Can score from either side of the block and gets great position, very effective hook shot
-Draws double teams and can get opposing players into foul trouble

Negatives
Rebounding and defense are two things that take effort.
-Eddy is up to 7rbs this year, however his career averages are in the 5's which is terrible Why bring up career averages, this is his breakout season, the bar has been set, going forward now everyone expects 7reb per game. We want more.
-Against the Heat he tried for three quarters and had 10rbs, thats why its frustrating Odd, I see it he tried for 3 quarters and got 3 more than his avg, all while carrying the team for 3 qtrs with 28 points and battling shaq and Zo who were both playing physical
-He doesn't try on defense, doesn't rotate, doesn't body his man, can be bodied by strong players and struggles against stronger playersDon't disagree here, I don't think he gets bullied by bigger players, he is pretty big himself. The defensive smarts is not there yet.
-25 pounds to heavy, and doesn't take condition seriously, major problem going foward especially as he ages. I really don't see his weight as an issue now, he is playing the minutes, he is not getting winded, he is looking good and not creating the crap fouls like last year when he was tired. This is the size he is most effective at and meant to be. Everyone can't be skinny like Bosh or super built like Howard. Genetics.

You can believe what you want, but players don't bash players, and coaches don't usually say bad things about other teams, the team was a disgrace last year and quit on the coach that was trying to teach them about rebounding, defense and sharing the ball. They won 23 games, I think you would say anything would be a positive move in the right direction at this point..

Positives for the Season
-Curry's offensive progression, fg%
-David Lee's rebounding and energy, fg%
-Starting to protect home court
-Good team unity, marbury after the first quarter of the season realized he was being run out of town has started to play team ball


Negatives

-no defensive presence, no shot blocker, no one challenging shots, terrible on rotations, our guards get torched by quicker guards, our turnovers are out of control, we lead the league in technicals, no consistent outside shooting
-channing frye looks like a fringe rotation player
-crawford playing less under control
-marbury and q are breaking down
-curry refusing to play defense, and rebound in most cases
-Our coach playing players because of salary or draft order
-Jefferies, James, Francis

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2/28/2007  3:19 PM
As currently constructed we need curry to be a superstar because we don't have room to make major improvements.

You seriously don't think he needs to lose weight, comeon. Its not about being super skinny he would still be big, i want him where he was his last season with the bulls, which was about 25 pounds lighter.....
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2/28/2007  3:28 PM
problem with that, after that season he had heart problems. That weight might look good but may not be good for his health. Let's be honest, he will grow into a superstar role, the Knicks are not threating for a title any time soon. Maybe 4 years away, that makes him what 27-28. The next progression for NY is making the playoffs on a consistent basis. During that time, we hope he develops into the all-star we want him to be. If we stand pat, the roster situation will improve, and we will get help. This is slow process, the fact that we are threatning for a spot is awesome. I know the east is weak, but the east is also young. In 4-5 years, the east will be what it was in the 90s.
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2/28/2007  3:53 PM
Posted by Michael6835:

Let's be honest, he will grow into a superstar role

that's the problem right there. "he will?" that's 100% a matter of prediction based on your opinions. i happen to disagree with you on the "will" and "superstar" parts, tending more toward "has a good chance to" and "all-star." but you're not going to get anywhere with some characters around here treating your opinion as fact...
the Knicks are not threating for a title any time soon. Maybe 4 years away, that makes him what 27-28. The next progression for NY is making the playoffs on a consistent basis. During that time, we hope he develops into the all-star we want him to be. If we stand pat, the roster situation will improve, and we will get help. This is slow process, the fact that we are threatning for a spot is awesome. I know the east is weak, but the east is also young. In 4-5 years, the east will be what it was in the 90s.

IMO the problem with the conservative approach is that for every david lee we steal or channing/nate/renaldo we invest in, we get a jerome james or steve francis etc that eats up our assets, crowds our youth out of the rotation, and sets us back as a team. to get our team to real contention, we can't rest on our laurels with a few good-to-excellent pickups and tolerate simple bonehead moves. do we have the management to do that? i'm not sold on it.
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2/28/2007  4:17 PM
Posted by MS:

As currently constructed we need curry to be a superstar because we don't have room to make major improvements.

You seriously don't think he needs to lose weight, comeon. Its not about being super skinny he would still be big, i want him where he was his last season with the bulls, which was about 25 pounds lighter.....

Curry doesn't need to be a superstar, needs a star player to play alongside him.
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2/28/2007  4:23 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by MS:

As currently constructed we need curry to be a superstar because we don't have room to make major improvements.

You seriously don't think he needs to lose weight, comeon. Its not about being super skinny he would still be big, i want him where he was his last season with the bulls, which was about 25 pounds lighter.....

Curry doesn't need to be a superstar, needs a star player to play alongside him.

And when you still owe 2 possible lottery picks from previous trades, put yourself over double the salary cap and have few players that other teams covet (if at all) how do you propose that we acquire that star player to play alongside him?
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2/28/2007  4:29 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Michael6835:

Everyone in the league seems to recognize the job the improvement the team is displaying. All of the opposing coaches, players seem to acknowledge that Eddy and the Knicks are headed in the right direction. Everyone knows what Eddie must do, Eddie knows what he must do. It's like Clyde says if Eddy can move himself into the 20+ and 10 reb group, its hall of fame numbers. He can do that especially at his age. I find it funny how many here discredit his ability to score the basketball, his ability to change the game, draw double teams; like any one can do that. The fact is, not many can do it, and the few that can are no where near Curry's size and strength. The problem I have with many bashing Curry, is you bashed him since he got here and the season where he finally gives us something that we hoped for and shows great progress, you nit pick and say well he is garbage because he doesnt rebound. You make it sound like he cant improve in the different areas of the game. Honestly at his age, the sky is the limit for him, you put the right people around him and we have a good chance. Can he win it by himself ? No, but then again how many people could win it by them selves. With the exception of the Pistons team, everyone else had a 1, 2 punch when it came to all stars.

Totally agree with you here. People keep knocking Curry for not being a so-called franchise player who you can;t build around. But you can definitely build with Curry. Put the right pieces around Curry and you can definitely compete for a chip. As I've said before, put Curry on that bulls team right now, and they are pick-em with the Pistons to get to the finals.
The problem is the assets we gave up for Curry are an amount you give up for someone to build AROUND. No one gives up four draft picks for a player you just want to build WITH. We gave up six draft picks for Curry and Marbury and are a .400 team with fewer assets and greater needs than most teams.
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2/28/2007  4:50 PM
Thats what people fail to understand anytime you bring up the facts, and are slightly negative because you don't like the direction of the team.

Frye, Nate, Crawford, and our first round pick for Joe Johnson....that wouldn't even get a deal done, we don't have a lot of room to make a move and get that missing player (JRich is a great option)

Lets just say any of the following teams win the lotto, Atlanta, Boston, Bobcats, Philly or even are in the top two, they are better than us next year.....

If Atlanta goes outside the top three hopefully there pick goes to the suns but lets just say for instance.

Oden, Smith, Childress, Johnson they decide to use free agent money an sign billups we can't contend usually with the hawks at full strength now, they usually beat us, thats another team above us next year.

The bobcats they resign Wallace, Durant, Okafur, Morrison, Felton, they have beat us 2/3 and we won the other one at the buzzer

The Bucks are going to get a nice pick this year, and are usually better when they are healthy and they have cap room, which is dangerous.

So where are the knicks next year, in the playoffs probably not, had we not made those midlevel deals, added francis and continue to make panic moves i would be positive, but unless this team unites right now which hopefully they do the bulls have a shot at the number one pick and we improve them again, and give them asset flexibility.

I just don't know where we are going to improve in the next few years to contend for the playoffs.
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2/28/2007  4:56 PM
Joe Johnson?

Joe Johnson? Get real. The Hawks never shoulda let go of Boris Diaw.

Huge NO to joe Johnson.

>>I just don't know where we are going to improve in the next few years to contend for the playoffs.

MS - expect the unexpected
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2/28/2007  5:04 PM
Do you know how good the guy is?

2005-06 20.2pts 6.5ass 4.1rbs 1.3stls 45%
2006-07 25.2pts 4.3ass 4.1rbs 1.0stls 47% Career 37.7 from three

He is the same age as Crawford and is 6'7 and was one of the best players on the Olympic team, he would be perfect to play with Curry.

I would do that deal in heartbeat if the Hawks would
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2/28/2007  5:06 PM
Isiah has been Larryesque….
1. We have used a million different lineups
2. The team gives up more than they score
3. They lead the league in technical fouls and turnovers
4. He lets his terrible moves as a GM effect his coaching. (Balkman is twice the player JJ is already but is relegated to the bench because Isiah is a ****ing idiot)
5. His matchups and player combinations leave something to be desired.

Um... I'm just saying this because I've seen all of our games... there's no way we lead the league in Tech's. I bet 'Sheed has more than our team does.
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misterearl
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2/28/2007  6:52 PM
MS - the Hawks ownership group mortgaged the farm to get Joe Johnson. The aftershock STILL has warring factions in court. The only way they even entertain offers for Johnsoon is if Belkin, the owner who never wanted the deal, is given ownership in court.

No to Joe Johnson

We will see what matchups Isiah employs with Nate out.

Do they have enough for a layup line?
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2/28/2007  7:10 PM
Posted by misterearl:


No to Joe Johnson

Dont you think he can work hard and become better?

The sky's the limit, the limit ain't the sky

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2/28/2007  7:18 PM
Posted by misterearl:

MS - the Hawks ownership group mortgaged the farm to get Joe Johnson. The aftershock STILL has warring factions in court. The only way they even entertain offers for Johnsoon is if Belkin, the owner who never wanted the deal, is given ownership in court.

No to Joe Johnson

We will see what matchups Isiah employs with Nate out.

Do they have enough for a layup line?

We give up 2 potential lottery picks for Curry plus 2 other picks but you say no to Joe Johnson?

Curry gives you 19 pts and absolutely nothing else. Johnson gives you 25 pts and an all around game.

Johnson is so much better than one dimensional Curry, it's not even funny.
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misterearl
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3/1/2007  8:56 AM
Islesfan - you say potato and I say potatoe

C'mon Islesfan, are you still pining away for Tyrus or Tim Thomas? I ain't.

C'mon... What difference has Joe Johnson made in Atlanta?

Last time I looked, not much.
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3/1/2007  9:37 AM
You can't win without a big or a point guard.

What difference has Eddy Curry made, who was handed his lunch when we needed him last night, and again another player Isiah should have taken over French Frye killed us.

He had to know he was thinking about the Curry deal, with Granger and Greene right there the guy doesn't think. We could have just held onto Kurt Thomas and let the guy expire if that was the case and relax for a year. His moves never translate to wins.

Thanks for playing balkman no time last night
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3/1/2007  9:55 AM
Posted by MS:

You can't win without a big or a point guard.

What difference has Eddy Curry made,

Exactly, except unlike Joe Johnson, Curry has $100+ mil in supporting players. Also, unlike Joe Johnson, Curry has never contributed to a playoff team in his six years.
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3/1/2007  9:59 AM
Can we simply change this to the "I hate Eddy Curry" thread and be done with whatever he was traded for that people will never be happy with?

sheesh

Is it ever time to let the, "if I was the GM I woulda done this" routine go?
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