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2/15/2007  4:05 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by fishmike:
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Damn fish, did you have to use that reference?

Gay people should be gay on their own time just like I'm hetero on mine.

Who the hell cares about amaechi? He is not special cuz he likes to be intimate with another mans penis.
eny... its a terrible reference. This country's treatment of blacks and our history there is sickening. My daughter is 6 (first grade) and I asked her if she knew why she was off on MLK day. She knew about the "I have a dream" speech, etc but didnt really know. So we talked about MLK and Rosa parks and what it must have felt like to be treated that way, how hurtfull it must have been and how much courage it took from people to break free from it.

Your right.. its not a fair reference because gays are allowed to use the same beaches, bathrooms, drinking fountains, etc.

But bigotry is always wrong, and I think thats the message. I have serious issues with the way certain gays conduct themselves. I dont like it, and I wouldnt want my kids exposed to that kind of behavior. But thats not because they are gay, and there is the difference.

Now I'm not saying Amechie is the Rosa Parks of the gay community. PLEASE dont think that for a minute. He's obviously got his own agendas.

BlueSeats made good points. We arent the first liberal society. What are we so afraid of? What is it about homosexuality that scares people so much? Obviously smackin lips with another dude isnt something I want to dwell on, but is it a threat to my family? To my way of life? To my values? Do I need to pass on my feelings to my children?

No need to explain for me cuz I kinda understand where you are coming from being associated with this board so long. Its just if someone from the outside that pops on here that don't really have an understanding of what Fishmike is about for the most part, it just comes off really wild.

Anyway, I don't have a problem with gay people.

My whole thing with gay people is why do some of them have to act so freakin gay? Lmao! Its like damn you're gay. So what? Why do you have to broadcast it? Why do you have to act out? Just be regular. I have been around guys that were gay and I didn't know it. I mean they acted feminine sometimes where I would wonder but they weren't just obnoxious and flamboyant about it. Its like "dude did you see the ass of that chick?" "im not into chicks dude I'm gay""oh ok, but she was bad anyway though right?" "yeah she was cute"

I've had that conversation a few times. People are gonna be who they are. Just if you gonna be it, call it. Tim hardaway just out his stamp of ignorance on it. If anything good for him, just like amaechi said. Call it like you see it. At least I know where you stand.

Anyway, you da man fishy.

Good post. I second that. I don't get the need to announce something like that... just be yourself. And Tim Hardaway is just an idiot, plain and simple.
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2/15/2007  4:12 PM
Timmy is just showin some love for Ameachi the harda way
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2/15/2007  4:28 PM


listen to him actually say it.. wow
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2/15/2007  4:43 PM
I wanted to throw in a bit of the female perspective. Question do all the guys on the board why do some straight work under this assumption that every gay man would want them? Seriously fellas you know that gay guy who you thinks has the hots for you; most likely its all in your own mind.
No Blue, but you see my point...it's a reason why homosexuals stayed in the closet for so long. They know it's a perversion of their own, but they like it. And it their mindset....the more the merrier.

But if that was the norm, you or I would not be here typing on our keyboards right now.

Let me first say that your quote is just scary. It actually reads as though you believe this. Playa I have a question for you did you come across this information? Let me guess studying gay behavior for researching purposes of course.

Hey Timmy maybe you could goto Colorado to counsel Rev. Ted Haggard to overcome his "homosexual" urges.
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2/15/2007  4:48 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Being a born again christian. I can't support people being gay. You shouldn't hate anyone though. Truthfully I wouldn't WANT to be around anyone whos gay. But if I was, (and I am at work since I have a few gay co workers) I wouldn't and don't treat them any differently. Though it would/is allways be in the back of my mind that there gay.

Being gay goes against Gods will. Being black doesn't go against Gods will. But it isn't my job to judge people only God has that right. I hope people being gay doesn't become the *norm*. But I also don't want people being treated unfairly because there gay.

how do you know what God's will is?

I was gonna ask the exact same question.
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2/15/2007  5:00 PM
Man on Man....or Female on Female goes against the Bible.

Your race or skin tone does not.

How can anybody compare the two.

Why are women the only ones that can make babies?

Anything that can eventually kill the human race, is wrong.

We are here to make babies, develop over and over again.

Unless two men can make babies......

The media is killing us all, if you think about it. They will run this into the ground (like they've done in the past on other contravercal(sp?) topics), until a gay vs straight war erupts....While Osama is aiming to take over the world.

We live in a funny place man.....

And for the record, I don't care if your gay, blue, or orange....just respect me as a man!

You know whats funny. I have racist relatives, but I never thought about beating up the next race.

But I definitely wanted to whoop a Gay persons azz. But that was my younger days....Now, I could care less. I just hate when I get turned down by a women because she's Gay....But thats another topic....

Please excuse my ramblings.....I really don't care what you are! It's your life and your choice.

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2/15/2007  5:23 PM
I guess I just don't understand. Being gay is wrong because they can't have children? If that is the case, can you condemn someone who is born sterile?
How about those who simply choose to not have kids?
People can quote the bible all they want, but for those Christians that do so, it is a big sign of hypocrisy to me. The bible and Christianity in general is based around concepts of empathy and acceptance, isn't it?
In a world full of murderers, rapists, and thieves, there seems to be an awful lot of misguided opinions towards the gay community.
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2/15/2007  5:48 PM
Why is this such a big f***ing deal? The man is just stating his opinion,...so now he is gay. STFU, im tired of this s***. Everybody has a f***ing opinion.
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2/15/2007  5:52 PM
Being born again means you did not get it right the first time and lack discipline so you take the fundamental approach and follow the bible to the letter and try to push it on others so they agree.

Being gay is the work of god if you must. The bible was not written by god, it was written by men. God created this world that also has the ability for two people of the same sex to live together. Maybe in the master plan its a form of natural birth control but its been prevalent in the human race since the beginning of time. Its also not just about sex, its about human coexistence.

Its cool for Timmy to say what he wants. He did not pull the religion juice card or anyting. He don't like gays. Thats his group.

Now this is where it gets interesting: Equal rights for all. The whole gay marriage thing is discrimintory not for religious purposes but for civil purpose. It denies benefits. That is wrong. I don't agree that Gays should be treated as a bona fide minority, but just equal to others. Keep it out of religion and just make it a civil service. If you house of worship wants to marry, then all the merrier!

ANd finally I don't like seeing overt gayness. I can't stand when a dude comes out of the closet and starts lisping all of a sudden! I understand the "born againness" of coming out but I just with SOME would just be cool!

The same degree I can't stand slutty heterosexuals as much as slutty gay/lesbianism.

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2/15/2007  6:26 PM
Well for onething if promoting that you are a gay male professional athlete was the norm(or considered ok), why has it took this so long to come to the forefront?

It's not normal. I don't hate anyone that's gay and have talked to both male and female in passing and I kind of feel sorry for them.

Anybody ever heard the term of being turned out? Well this is what can happen to males and females.

I have actually did read some research on the matter, Not all but (SOME) males lean toward being gay from strong feminine PERSUASION upbringing meaning no male mentors around. Some men become homosexuals from being molested as children(thinking it's acceptable while still learning about their own sexuality) by strangers or close relative or friend of the family.
(SOME) females become gay because of lack of bonding with their mom while growing up and also from being abused by a male or molested by another female while growing up(still learning about their own sexuallity).

These aren't all the reason's of course , but it's some I have heard and read about.

Now funny thing is for those who think people are just born that way.

I heard of former gay men and women who actually got delivered from that lifestyle and have married with children.

Everybody with common sense knows the rectum was made for a man's waste(going out) and not a male organ(going in). Now it's easy for a person who's perverted to say it's a normal way to have pleasure LOL.

To each his own but I for one, will not allow a homosexual around my children knowing that's their lifestyle, that's a big no no . Children can't protect themselves from perverted folk.

If a homosexual was teaching your child about the their lifestyle while they are still in the learning stages how many would say oh it's cool as long as they don't molest them. Yea I didn't think so, why because it's perverted.
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2/15/2007  6:27 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by EnySpree:

Damn fish, did you have to use that reference?

Gay people should be gay on their own time just like I'm hetero on mine.

Who the hell cares about amaechi? He is not special cuz he likes to be intimate with another mans penis.
eny... its a terrible reference. This country's treatment of blacks and our history there is sickening. My daughter is 6 (first grade) and I asked her if she knew why she was off on MLK day. She knew about the "I have a dream" speech, etc but didnt really know. So we talked about MLK and Rosa parks and what it must have felt like to be treated that way, how hurtfull it must have been and how much courage it took from people to break free from it.

Your right.. its not a fair reference because gays are allowed to use the same beaches, bathrooms, drinking fountains, etc.

But bigotry is always wrong, and I think thats the message. I have serious issues with the way certain gays conduct themselves. I dont like it, and I wouldnt want my kids exposed to that kind of behavior. But thats not because they are gay, and there is the difference.

Now I'm not saying Amechie is the Rosa Parks of the gay community. PLEASE dont think that for a minute. He's obviously got his own agendas.

BlueSeats made good points. We arent the first liberal society. What are we so afraid of? What is it about homosexuality that scares people so much? Obviously smackin lips with another dude isnt something I want to dwell on, but is it a threat to my family? To my way of life? To my values? Do I need to pass on my feelings to my children?

No need to explain for me cuz I kinda understand where you are coming from being associated with this board so long. Its just if someone from the outside that pops on here that don't really have an understanding of what Fishmike is about for the most part, it just comes off really wild.

Anyway, I don't have a problem with gay people.

My whole thing with gay people is why do some of them have to act so freakin gay? Lmao! Its like damn you're gay. So what? Why do you have to broadcast it? Why do you have to act out? Just be regular. I have been around guys that were gay and I didn't know it. I mean they acted feminine sometimes where I would wonder but they weren't just obnoxious and flamboyant about it. Its like "dude did you see the ass of that chick?" "im not into chicks dude I'm gay""oh ok, but she was bad anyway though right?" "yeah she was cute"

I've had that conversation a few times. People are gonna be who they are. Just if you gonna be it, call it. Tim hardaway just out his stamp of ignorance on it. If anything good for him, just like amaechi said. Call it like you see it. At least I know where you stand.

Anyway, you da man fishy.
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2/15/2007  7:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Being a born again christian. I can't support people being gay. You shouldn't hate anyone though. Truthfully I wouldn't WANT to be around anyone whos gay. But if I was, (and I am at work since I have a few gay co workers) I wouldn't and don't treat them any differently. Though it would/is allways be in the back of my mind that there gay.

Being gay goes against Gods will. Being black doesn't go against Gods will. But it isn't my job to judge people only God has that right. I hope people being gay doesn't become the *norm*. But I also don't want people being treated unfairly because there gay.

how do you know what God's will is?

I was gonna ask the exact same question.

The 10 commandments, and reading the bible. Read Genesis

If God wanted men to sleep with other men, then why did he create women? Why did he take out one of Adams ribs to create women. Why didn't get create another man? Why didn't he just allow men to reproduce?

"Then the lord made a women from the rib. He had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh. She shall be called woman, for she was taken out of man".
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
That is directly from the bible.

Why did he burn down sodom and gomorrah in the bible because of the heavy amount homosexuality, and other evil that was happening in that city.

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Being born again means you did not get it right the first time and lack discipline so you take the fundamental approach and follow the bible to the letter and try to push it on others so they agree.

Before I comment this paragraph I wanna know if this was directed at me?
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2/15/2007  7:06 PM
any word on Tim's opinion on gay robots?

(sorry Bonn, i couldn't resist... feel free to rag on me for that one.)
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2/15/2007  7:09 PM
If God wanted men to sleep with other men, then why did he create women? Why did he take out one of Adams ribs to create women. Why didn't get create another man? Why didn't he just allow men to reproduce?

"Then the lord made a women from the rib. He had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh. She shall be called woman, for she was taken out of man".
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame. That is directly from the bible.


you sure God didn't take a couple bills out of Adam's wallet & buy His creation which He called woman? cuz it sure seems like women take a big chunk out of my wallet every time i meet one.
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2/15/2007  7:12 PM
Posted by playa2:

Well for onething if promoting that you are a gay male professional athlete was the norm(or considered ok), why has it took this so long to come to the forefront?

It's not normal. I don't hate anyone that's gay and have talked to both male and female in passing and I kind of feel sorry for them.

Anybody ever heard the term of being turned out? Well this is what can happen to males and females.

I have actually did read some research on the matter, Not all but (SOME) males lean toward being gay from strong feminine PERSUASION upbringing meaning no male mentors around. Some men become homosexuals from being molested as children(thinking it's acceptable while still learning about their own sexuality) by strangers or close relative or friend of the family.
(SOME) females become gay because of lack of bonding with their mom while growing up and also from being abused by a male or molested by another female while growing up(still learning about their own sexuallity).

These aren't all the reason's of course , but it's some I have heard and read about.

Now funny thing is for those who think people are just born that way.

I heard of former gay men and women who actually got delivered from that lifestyle and have married with children.

Everybody with common sense knows the rectum was made for a man's waste(going out) and not a male organ(going in). Now it's easy for a person who's perverted to say it's a normal way to have pleasure LOL.

To each his own but I for one, will not allow a homosexual around my children knowing that's their lifestyle, that's a big no no . Children can't protect themselves from perverted folk.

If a homosexual was teaching your child about the their lifestyle while they are still in the learning stages how many would say oh it's cool as long as they don't molest them. Yea I didn't think so, why because it's perverted.

Yea i wanna know how many of you guys would be very cool with letting there 12-18 yr old son be close or best friends with another kid that is gay.
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2/15/2007  7:12 PM
Posted by Nalod:
The same degree I can't stand slutty heterosexuals as much as slutty gay/lesbianism.

except for when those slutty heterosexuals & lesbians are hot chicks obviously.

(sorry, just trying to bring some levity to this very serious discussion... don't mind me)

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2/15/2007  7:29 PM
Being gay is flatout wrong, Im no religous buff, but in the bible it says it's flat out wrong. If it was right, there would never be the phrase coming out of the closet, There would not be this much rhetoric. How could gay be right ? is it just becuase there huming beings we should except them, please...whats wrong is wrong, America ( an im a 100% american) thrives on hypocracy, breeds the ****.

Lets just say every human bieng sucumbs to being gay...were the hell would we go from there. People know the its wrong thats why the hide it.
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2/15/2007  7:31 PM
gay people don't hide the fact that they're gay because they think it's wrong... they hide it to avoid being treated like outcasts from society by straight people who think homosexuality is wrong.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-15-2007 7:32 PM]
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2/15/2007  7:46 PM
why dont midgets hide, Or one arm, one legged humans ect. Really though, what makes being gay right..Please don't say preference..
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Posted by knicks1248:

Being gay is flatout wrong, Im no religous buff, but in the bible it says it's flat out wrong. If it was right, there would never be the phrase coming out of the closet, There would not be this much rhetoric. How could gay be right ? is it just becuase there huming beings we should except them, please...whats wrong is wrong, America ( an im a 100% american) thrives on hypocracy, breeds the ****.

Lets just say every human bieng sucumbs to being gay...were the hell would we go from there. People know the its wrong thats why the hide it.

I'm not really a religous buff either, though I should read more. I'm not going to be out in the street trying to convert everyone into chrisitanity, though I should try and do more. But if a topic comes up Im not scared to state my view. My parents were missionarys. They are buffs. I became a born again christian because its under my belief that you get to heaven through asking Jesus Christ into your heart as he is the key. I became born again when I was real young to. Because I have allways wanted to try and walk a rightous path. Though like everyone I do fall to temptation time to time, and I do sin. Like everyone else as the only person who has never sinned on this earth was Jesus. Thats just my belief, not saying everyone needs to believe in my belief.

God is going to deal with everyone according to how he sees fit, in the end. Thats why is not our place to judge ,or look down, or mistreat anyone. But that doesn't mean we have support it.
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