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2/10/2007  12:35 AM
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2/10/2007  1:22 AM
Posted by islesfan:

True or False:

Did James start the Orlando game so that Curry could hide from Howard and not have to defend him?

True or False: Curry always plays well against Howard?
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2/10/2007  1:23 AM
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in 2002 - they were .500 all the way through the entire season
in 2003 - they were 33-12, then finished up 15-22

2002 was Isiah's second year as coach.

2003 they were great and then had to endure injuries and personal tragedy. but, you're right when your franchise player's father shoots himself in the head, you just have to play through it. no excuses! horrible coaching by Isiah IMHO!!

Jermaine O'Neal, the real franchise player, was so inconsolable in that playoff series that season that he ONLY averaged 23 pts and 18 rebounds a game.

What was everybody else's excuse?

do your research. here's a hint: Tinsley and Artest had pretty good ones.
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2/10/2007  1:37 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

in 2002 - they were .500 all the way through the entire season
in 2003 - they were 33-12, then finished up 15-22

2002 was Isiah's second year as coach.

2003 they were great and then had to endure injuries and personal tragedy. but, you're right when your franchise player's father shoots himself in the head, you just have to play through it. no excuses! horrible coaching by Isiah IMHO!!

Jermaine O'Neal, the real franchise player, was so inconsolable in that playoff series that season that he ONLY averaged 23 pts and 18 rebounds a game.

What was everybody else's excuse?

do your research. here's a hint: Tinsley and Artest had pretty good ones.

Do my research?? You're the one using O'Neal's personal tragedy as an excuse for the Pacers underachieving that year when he had a monster playoff series and finished the year strong.
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2/10/2007  3:54 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

in 2002 - they were .500 all the way through the entire season
in 2003 - they were 33-12, then finished up 15-22

2002 was Isiah's second year as coach.

2003 they were great and then had to endure injuries and personal tragedy. but, you're right when your franchise player's father shoots himself in the head, you just have to play through it. no excuses! horrible coaching by Isiah IMHO!!

Jermaine O'Neal, the real franchise player, was so inconsolable in that playoff series that season that he ONLY averaged 23 pts and 18 rebounds a game.

What was everybody else's excuse?

do your research. here's a hint: Tinsley and Artest had pretty good ones.

Do my research?? You're the one using O'Neal's personal tragedy as an excuse for the Pacers underachieving that year when he had a monster playoff series and finished the year strong.

yes, believe it or not, more went wrong. but, whatever, you're right, O'neal was a franchise player in Portland, Isiah has never done anything right, the 2001 Pacers underachieved, they should've won it all with their perfect storm of basketball talent that Isiah squandered.
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2/10/2007  6:37 AM
^LOL. Isles, your "starting another center" argument does not work because Jerome James played only 10 minutes and Curry dominated Dwight Howard all night. Dwight could not contain him on defense one bit. He kept getting dunked on and then basically fouled out.
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2/10/2007  12:20 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

in 2002 - they were .500 all the way through the entire season
in 2003 - they were 33-12, then finished up 15-22

2002 was Isiah's second year as coach.

2003 they were great and then had to endure injuries and personal tragedy. but, you're right when your franchise player's father shoots himself in the head, you just have to play through it. no excuses! horrible coaching by Isiah IMHO!!

Jermaine O'Neal, the real franchise player, was so inconsolable in that playoff series that season that he ONLY averaged 23 pts and 18 rebounds a game.

What was everybody else's excuse?

do your research. here's a hint: Tinsley and Artest had pretty good ones.

Do my research?? You're the one using O'Neal's personal tragedy as an excuse for the Pacers underachieving that year when he had a monster playoff series and finished the year strong.

yes, believe it or not, more went wrong. but, whatever, you're right, O'neal was a franchise player in Portland, Isiah has never done anything right, the 2001 Pacers underachieved, they should've won it all with their perfect storm of basketball talent that Isiah squandered.

Come on crzy, you're better than that. You bring up excuses for a bunch of players but O'Neal and Artest both had very good playoff series and finished the season strong.

Nobody is saying that those teams should have won the championship but Isiah's last team in Indy most certainly underachieved. There's no denying that.
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2/10/2007  12:23 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Come on crzy, you're better than that. You bring up excuses for a bunch of players but O'Neal and Artest both had very good playoff series and finished the season strong.

Nobody is saying that those teams should have won the championship but Isiah's last team in Indy most certainly underachieved. There's no denying that.

true, but didn't the Celtics team they lost to end up advancing all the way to the conference finals? Pacers had the better team, but the Celtics had the best player on the floor in Pierce and that can decide a playoff series. but I still don't think you can call that underachieving with the circumstances. to me, that's like saying Marcus Camby underachieved in the playoffs vs the Raptors in 01. sure, it's an excuse, but it's a very valid one. both Artest and O'neal had some serious crap go down.
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2/10/2007  12:26 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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Come on crzy, you're better than that. You bring up excuses for a bunch of players but O'Neal and Artest both had very good playoff series and finished the season strong.

Nobody is saying that those teams should have won the championship but Isiah's last team in Indy most certainly underachieved. There's no denying that.

true, but didn't the Celtics team they lost to end up advancing all the way to the conference finals? Pacers had the better team, but the Celtics had the best player on the floor in Pierce and that can decide a playoff series. but I still don't think you can call that underachieving with the circumstances. to me, that's like saying Marcus Camby underachieved in the playoffs vs the Raptors in 01. sure, it's an excuse, but it's a very valid one. both Artest and O'neal had some serious crap go down.

Did the 99 Heat team underachieve because they lost to a Knicks team that made it to the NBA Finals?

If Camby had a very poor series then maybe you can use it as an excuse but both O'Neal and Artest had strong series so how much did those things really affect their games and the team?
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2/10/2007  12:33 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:

Come on crzy, you're better than that. You bring up excuses for a bunch of players but O'Neal and Artest both had very good playoff series and finished the season strong.

Nobody is saying that those teams should have won the championship but Isiah's last team in Indy most certainly underachieved. There's no denying that.

true, but didn't the Celtics team they lost to end up advancing all the way to the conference finals? Pacers had the better team, but the Celtics had the best player on the floor in Pierce and that can decide a playoff series. but I still don't think you can call that underachieving with the circumstances. to me, that's like saying Marcus Camby underachieved in the playoffs vs the Raptors in 01. sure, it's an excuse, but it's a very valid one. both Artest and O'neal had some serious crap go down.

Did the 99 Heat team underachieve because they lost to a Knicks team that made it to the NBA Finals?

If Camby had a very poor series then maybe you can use it as an excuse but both O'Neal and Artest had strong series so how much did those things really affect their games and the team?

I think it did affect the team. they were putting up numbers, but not defending or playing the team ball they had been before the incidents. whatever, water under the bridge.

and, no, I don't think you can say that Heat team underachieved at all. the 99 Knicks underachieved throughout the regular season and finally woke up with about three games to go in the season and played to their potential in the playoffs.
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2/10/2007  1:04 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by crzymdups:

...and they made the playoffs. I posted this in another thread, but this seems to be worth it's own thread.

The Pacers in 00-01 finished 41-41 and made the playoffs as the youngest team ever to do so. They have the exact same record as we do now, in Isiah's first year in New York (as coach).

The situations are similar, they had JOneal, a young post player in his first year with Thomas (first year with Thomas 13ppg, 10rpg, 2bpg; second year with Thomas 19.5ppg, 10rpg, 3bpg) and made a trade to get two other young front court players: Brad Miller and Ron Artest.

In Thomas' second year as Pacers coach the team went 25-25 after 50 games. In his third year they were 35-15 after 50 games and considered the best team in the East (unfortunately as always happens with the Pacers, seemingly, they were undone by tragedy, fights, player's parents committing suicide and all sorts of awful stuff).

STILL, the situations are similar.


Wow, surprising as hell, but GREAT find.

Let's not forget though, that he wasn't the GM also. I think it's probably wiser to bring in someone from the outside that has a better trading track record. Make Isiah assistant GM if ya must.


I think we should go after a shotblocking SF, seeing as how David Lee has probly proven he's the starting PF.

Look at Utah....they don't have a shotblocker at the 4 and 5 positions, but they're still one of the best in tha league.

We need a Gerald Wallace IMO.


Curry:: Okur
Lee:: Boozer
Wallace:: AK
QRich:: Harpring
Marbury:: Deron


Pretty close if you ask me...

Harping stinks and if we had wallace, there would not reason to start Q-Bert.
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2/10/2007  1:06 PM
Posted by islesfan:
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What the hell are you talking about? It's not like James even had significant minutes. Do you actually watch the games or just browse the SLs?
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O'Neal is a franchise player, Curry is not.

I think very highly of Lee but he's a future all star forward like Oakley was.

Marbury is playing nowhere near an all star level. Miller was still averaging 19 a game, the same 19 that people want to make Curry look like a God for.

Frye's value has plummetted, Nate's is even lower and there's no chance of adding an all NBA defender who scores 20 pts a game.

The only thing similar is that this is Isiah's first year coaching this team.

The Pacers upside was far greater and even then they underachieved under Isiah in his 3 years there.

Curry is a franchise player.

no, he's not. but apparently he's very good at making other team's franchise players look like little boys.

As long as they start another center to do half his work.

True or False:

Did James start the Orlando game so that Curry could hide from Howard and not have to defend him?

True or False:

Does Battie/Darko Start every game this season so Howard can hide from guard the better front court player????

What is wrong with you????
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2/10/2007  1:09 PM
Howard is a monster on both ends of the court. Curry isn't even close.

Howard doesn't need to hide from anybody or have his deficiencies covered up like Curry does.
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2/10/2007  1:16 PM
But they do. They don't put somebody who can score more points and help get their horrible league low scoring average up, they Start BATTIE. LOL

James started what 2 games, but howard gets a whole season of starting a bum next to him..... really makes sense ah????
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2/10/2007  1:20 PM
They start another defensive player to support the team defense, not to support a player who chooses not to play defense. How can you possibly not see the difference???

Howard is a great rebounder and defender. Curry is way below average in both.
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2/10/2007  2:33 PM
Howard's defense of Curry was great ?? Duncan just put up 24pts 16rebs and 4blks with 1stl against the great defender last night.
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2/10/2007  2:37 PM
this dwight/curry discussion is retarded.

it comes down to this, who would you want curry or howard?
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2/10/2007  2:40 PM
Posted by NYKresurrection:

Howard's defense of Curry was great ?? Duncan just put up 24pts 16rebs and 4blks with 1stl against the great defender last night.

Duncan is an all time great player.

Wilt had some monster games against Russell. I guess that means Bill Russell wasn't a very good defender.
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2/10/2007  3:17 PM
Address Curry's dominance of Howard !!
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2/10/2007  3:35 PM
great offense always beats great defense.............1 on 1.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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