Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Enough with the Larry Brown obsession folks.

Come season's end, we'll know who is to blame by looking at only one thing, the record. Brown or Isiah. A lousy 10 win improvement would entail Isiah and HIS players (and his players only) that its their fault.

A 15 win improvement (which I don't see) will tell us that it really was Larry Brown and his system that was to blame.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by oohah:

How often does Frye chase perimeter players? Isn't he usually guarding the PF? Is that now considered to be a perimeter position?

oohah

Geeze, I never used to think so, But if your Channing Frye and play for Isiah than yes.

That is a pretty good quip. What it has to do with the question I asked I don't know.

Any answer to the question? How often is Frye chasing guys around the perimeter? I'd say very infrequently since he is usually guarding the other team's PF, and if he isn't guarding the PF he is usually playing D on the center.

So how often is it? 5% of the time? Will you answer, or just grace me with more wit?

oohah

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Allanfan20:

You misinterpreted it because Bip doesn't believe coining players, franchise players.

And that may be true, but You saw the post and you responded to it because I included you as well as Andrew, Martin,Codeunknown, etc....Bip is now stating I'm quoting him as a result of that post....

The only reason I included Bip was that I remember him saying we don't have a Franchise player and we need one...Are you saying in all these pages Bip never said that...



[Edited by - holfresh on 02-06-2007 4:11 PM]

Again, with the I remember him saying such and such. Stop the nonsense. Let me state my opinions and if you see differently call me out on it that moment it happens.

Again with the franchise nonsense. You can win with any player in this league(have you not heard me say that a million times). You can win with a "franchise player" or you can win with a "franchise core". There is no set formula that says you need a franchise player to win. Some people ascribe to that. Some don't. I do not(see Detroit). Instead of trying to figure out what I may have said, why not just read what I am actually saying RIGHT NOW. I am telling you what I believe. Why do you think I feel I would have to change my opinion? I don't get it?

My take has never changed. A GM's job is to find a core of players. That can be 1 if it is Michael Jordan, Shaq or TD etc. But usually it is 2-4 players. Then you find other players that compliment that core. Now is Eddie Curry that player. I don't know. I don't judge Isiah on whether he is or not. I judge Isiah on one thing. If he beleives that Eddie is the guy than show it by building around him. Get a PG that can get him the ball and an interior defender to take the pressure off. And some shooters. Guy, how many times do I have to say this. I personally would not have build around Eddie because I think it's too difficult to build around Eddie. But that is what I would do as a GM and is in no way a criticism of Isiah. If Isiah thinks he can do it, he should do it. And has my support. I just want him to do it, instead of targeting guys like Jalen and Stevie, f'in build around curry. That's all I ask. Committ to a plan and stick by it. You have never heard me say Curry sucks. But I guarantee you have heard me say a million times "if Curry is our "franchise guy" why aren't we getting players that compliment his skills?". Man, maybe you don't read or pay attention to who is writing. I just had an argument concerning why didn't we draft Marcus to grow along with Eddie. There are about 10 posts from me in the last two days talking about interior defenders to protect Eddie and PG's to get him the ball. and a day later I'm being told that I want to blow it up. Stop the nonsense please. It's just bad posting on your part.

I have talked about the above ad nauseum and am done with it. You can think I believe we should tear it up and that is fine. But posting my opinion on other sites to me is classless. You are having conversations with other people and attributing to me. Or I ask a question like Is Eddie Curry a guy to build around? And someone answers, no. And because I asked the question you assume I feel the same way. I don't know where you get this stuff. I do know I have no reason to hide from my opinion. It's here in black and white and if I say otherwise at any point feel free to confront me at the time. None of this "I seem to remember crap". If you are wondering how I feel on a topic, just ask me. If it's that important that you have to state my opinion on another board you can simply ask.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 02-06-2007 5:15 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 02-06-2007 5:16 PM]

We have a solid core of young guys. My fear is not whether they have the talent to win. It's what move Isiah will make next.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 02-06-2007 5:18 PM]

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by babyKnicks:

hey fish, which part of the letter is actually real?

all of it except the douchebag line about Isiah and Eddy's fat ass. The rest is legit (really that hard to figure out?)

Any answer to the question? How often is Frye chasing guys around the perimeter? I'd say very infrequently since he is usually guarding the other team's PF, and if he isn't guarding the PF he is usually playing D on the center.

So how often is it? 5% of the time? Will you answer, or just grace me with more wit?

I would say more than 50%

Everyone knows that Frye can be used off the dribble, so thats how teams attack him. Guys like Odom, Villanueva, Haslem, Marion, Troy Murphy, CLiff Robinson, Jamison, Shareef... these are the 4's we have faced in recent weeks. Are they perimeter players? No. But what happens when Frye guards them? He's long but slow... so they get him out on the perimeter or 15-18 feet away where they can take one dribble and get a good look or draw a foul because the minute a guy puts the ball on the floor Channing has no idea what to do.

Thats more a knock on Isiah than Frye. You will have noticed I dont question Frye's effort. Dude tries like hell, but its just his strength. On the flip side when he guards your banger types whether its on a switch or Curry's out of the game he does very well. I was especially watching him against Pacers and Wizards. He did a good job pushing back against Haywood, Etan Thomas and Foster, all pretty strong dudes.

Frye CLEARLY established he can do some very good things on the NBA level last year. Our coach has totally failed to put him in a position to do those things this year.

While I disagree about the percentage of time Frye plays against a perimeter style attack, I do agree with you that he plays much better interior style defense than defense that requires lateral movement.

The thing is, he will almost definitely play mostly at PF on any team he plays on, especially this one, because of his offensive style. The fact is, Curry is going to get a lot of minutes no matter if Frye comes off the bench or not, so they will be on the floor at the same time quite a bit. And as much as Frye can get used by an outside attack, Curry is 3X worse!

But Frye will get better on D. Look at how he has taken to playing 4th fiddle on offense. He started out as bad as can be, and recovered quite nicely after game 8. Give the kid some time, he has more to show us yet.

oohah

Posted by Masterplan:

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Enough with the Larry Brown obsession folks.

Come season's end, we'll know who is to blame by looking at only one thing, the record. Brown or Isiah. A lousy 10 win improvement would entail Isiah and HIS players (and his players only) that its their fault.

A 15 win improvement (which I don't see) will tell us that it really was Larry Brown and his system that was to blame.

5 games make all that difference?