Posted by Andrew:

I don't think anyone is saying that Kobe would have signed....just that the opportunity could have been there.

How can you say that he wouldn't have signed? You don't know.

Kobe orchestrated the ouster of Shaq...Where is he going???

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by djsunyc:

here's question:

frye, lee, nate, balkman, mardy, quentin, jeffries, jamal, curry, 2007 #1 bulls pick and no cap room until 2011

or

frye, lee, balkman, mardy, ariza (re-signed via MLE), 2006 #1 (alrdidge/t2/morrison/gay/roy), 2007 #1 ours, and major cap room the summer of 2009

which would you prefer?

If the Knicks do nothing they will have cap room in 2009 no???

if the knicks do nothing, meaning letting frye, nate, lee, balkman, and mardy go, their roster would be the following:

curry
jamal
quentin
jeffries
jerome
2007 #1 pick
2008 #1 pick
2009 #1 pick

they will have a contracts totalling ($42 mil + guaranteed draft pick contracts)- let's say $50-55 mil. the cap could be at $60 mil then so we'd be about $5-10 mil under the cap. that's not max cap space and we have no idea what the new CBA is going to bring (which will kick in then).

secondly, that's going on the assumption that isiah DOES NOTHING for 2 more seasons after this one except draft and let contracts expire. if he stands pat and just drafts, then all the power to him, but we know the reality of the situation.

so YES, they CAN be under the cap in the summer of 2009, but even then, it's not MAX cap room and the chances of it are slim to none. we would need to dump jamal, eddy, or quentin for a shorter or cheaper contract.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-31-2007 1:17 PM]

Posted by Silverfuel:

djsu - We haven't had cap space since 1999. Dolan does not believe in being under the cap. Can we bring in a GM that can get us under the cap when Dolan doesn't believe in it? If the seats are empty cause there are no stars, the GM is gone before he can finish his job. I am not an Isiah fan but he cannot get us under. The situation was effed up and Dolan wanted a change right away.

that explains the steph trade. but adding 2 years after the steph trade in guys like jamal, quentin, eddy, jeffries and jerome was just a bad idea. and i can't put that on dolan.

but again, everything you're saying about the cap is true...and that's why i keep saying that we're never going to win a title operating that way.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by djsunyc:

here's question:

frye, lee, nate, balkman, mardy, quentin, jeffries, jamal, curry, 2007 #1 bulls pick and no cap room until 2011

or

frye, lee, balkman, mardy, ariza (re-signed via MLE), 2006 #1 (alrdidge/t2/morrison/gay/roy), 2007 #1 ours, and major cap room the summer of 2009

which would you prefer?

If the Knicks do nothing they will have cap room in 2009 no???

if the knicks do nothing, meaning letting frye, nate, lee, balkman, and mardy go, their roster would be the following:

curry
jamal
quentin
jeffries
jerome
2007 #1 pick
2008 #1 pick

they will have a contracts totalling ($42 mil + guaranteed draft pick contracts)- let's say $50 mil. the cap could be at $60 mil then so we'd be about $10 mil under the cap. that's not max cap space and we have no idea what the new CBA is going to bring (which will kick in then).

secondly, that's going on the assumption that isiah DOES NOTHING for 2 more seasons after this one except draft and let contracts expire. if he stands pat and just drafts, then all the power to him, but we know the reality of the situation.

so YES, they CAN be under the cap in the summer of 2009, but even then, it's not MAX cap room and the chances of it are slim to none. we would need to dump jamal, eddy, or quentin for a shorter or cheaper contract.

All the contracts of Lee, Frye, Nate and Balk won't be an issue until 2010...They would have to accept the Knicks' qualifying offer in 2009 and become restricted free agents in 2010...If Isiah's eye is on Lebron, why would he not limit his MLE signings the next two years...

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by djsunyc:

here's question:

frye, lee, nate, balkman, mardy, quentin, jeffries, jamal, curry, 2007 #1 bulls pick and no cap room until 2011

or

frye, lee, balkman, mardy, ariza (re-signed via MLE), 2006 #1 (alrdidge/t2/morrison/gay/roy), 2007 #1 ours, and major cap room the summer of 2009

which would you prefer?

If the Knicks do nothing they will have cap room in 2009 no???

if the knicks do nothing, meaning letting frye, nate, lee, balkman, and mardy go, their roster would be the following:

curry
jamal
quentin
jeffries
jerome
2007 #1 pick
2008 #1 pick

they will have a contracts totalling ($42 mil + guaranteed draft pick contracts)- let's say $50 mil. the cap could be at $60 mil then so we'd be about $10 mil under the cap. that's not max cap space and we have no idea what the new CBA is going to bring (which will kick in then).

secondly, that's going on the assumption that isiah DOES NOTHING for 2 more seasons after this one except draft and let contracts expire. if he stands pat and just drafts, then all the power to him, but we know the reality of the situation.

so YES, they CAN be under the cap in the summer of 2009, but even then, it's not MAX cap room and the chances of it are slim to none. we would need to dump jamal, eddy, or quentin for a shorter or cheaper contract.

All the contracts of Lee, Frye, Nate and Balk won't be an issue until 2010...They would have to accept the Knicks' qualifying offer in 2009 and become restricted free agents in 2010...If Isiah's eye is on Lebron, why would he not limit his MLE signings the next two years...

the % of rookies that sign the qualifying offer are damn near 0%. lee is going to get a $50 mil offer next summer of which the knicks will have to match or let him walk. at that same time, frye will want an extension. rookies almost never make it to the qualifying year - they usually get extensions the summer before. why do lee, frye, and nate have to give up their dollars?

that's why the contracts of jeffries, jerome, jamal and quentin will kill us down the road. eddy i can understand b/c he's a center, but the other guys?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-31-2007 1:28 PM]

this is how it works for lee, frye and nate.

the team can let them walk after this season b/c the new CBA means #1 picks only have 2 years guaranteed.

but the club can pick up their option making the 3rd year gauranteed on the rookie pay scale. the players have no say.

then after next season, they 3 become restricted free agents. so they can sign offer sheets with other teams and the knicks have 1 week to match (ala jeffries), or they can sign an extension with the knicks, or the knicks can simply pick up their 4 year option on the rookie scale.

now, after the 4th year, they 3 can can sign an extension with the knicks, the player can sign an offer sheet with another team the knicks could match, or they sign a qualifying offer which signs the player for just one more year (at rookie scale) but the player can not be traded during the season and will be an UNRESTRICTED free agent after the 5th year.


[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-31-2007 1:41 PM]

All I know is what some other poster told me - "It ain't my money". When I see a thread like this, I just remember that and my mind shuts down. Then I feel really, really happy and satisfied with where the Knicks are going under Dolan & Co's brilliant leadership.

Posted by Andrew:

holfresh...the link and part you posted is correct....and basically agreeing with what we are saying. Its just worded very confusingly. I think the confusion is the season the mentioned "such season" is referring to.

If such a Qualifying Offer is made, then, on the July 1 following such Season, the player shall become a Restricted Free Agent, subject to a Right of First Refusal in favor of the Team (“ROFR Team”), as set forth in Section 5 below.

In this case "such season" refers to the 4th season of the rookie contract. So, on July 1st after the 4th season the player becomes a RFA.

Me being confused is not really hard to do...But I'm also referring to the salary scale on HoopsHype which is agreeing with me...It basically saying the rooks have 3 yr contracts, 4th yr is the team option and 5th yr is the qualifying offer yr...I could be wrong tho...

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

HoopsHype has it correct. Look at Balmans contract. 2 years guaranteed, followed by 2 years of team options. The qualifying year is shown as a placeholder for salary.