Posted by MS:

how about you look at something objectively instead of being such a homer, and not recognizing that crawford doesn't have the makeup to win

In Jamal's defense, he has won alot of games for us and scored alot in the 4th quarter. In fact, Clyde mentioned yesterday that Crawford seems to get better as a scorer as the game goes on and the pressure is on. I agree that he is not as good as Gordon, but I would not say he cannot be a clutch player. He just has to learn to be more efficient in his scoring and limit his turnovers and play better defense. I would note that Gordon is not a great defensive player either.


[Edited by - TheGame on 01-31-2007 11:10 AM]

Posted by buddapaw:

To all of you guys with the franchise player argument. Is Kevin Garnett considered a franchise type player? I believe he is right, what has he won? We had Ewing for years and we never won anthing either, the same with the Jazz which has two of them Stockton and Malone. Yes it is great to have a franchise player but you also have to have a good supporting cast. So enough of this franchise player crap. You guys think that guys like that grow on trees, Jordan had to wait his turn too. The Bulls young core has been together for about 2 - 3 years more than ours, so they are further along. So let the team grow and stop drooling over other teams players.

What does winning the championship have to do with it??

We're talking about franchise players in terms of building a legitimate contending team. Guys like Ewing, Malone and Barkley were consistently on contending teams regardless of whether or not they won.

The Knicks as presently constituted are made up of a bunch of one dimensional role players. There is no franchise player to build around and for the foreseeable future we're limited in our ability to obtain one.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by buddapaw:

To all of you guys with the franchise player argument. Is Kevin Garnett considered a franchise type player? I believe he is right, what has he won? We had Ewing for years and we never won anthing either, the same with the Jazz which has two of them Stockton and Malone. Yes it is great to have a franchise player but you also have to have a good supporting cast. So enough of this franchise player crap. You guys think that guys like that grow on trees, Jordan had to wait his turn too. The Bulls young core has been together for about 2 - 3 years more than ours, so they are further along. So let the team grow and stop drooling over other teams players.

What does winning the championship have to do with it??

We're talking about franchise players in terms of building a legitimate contending team. Guys like Ewing, Malone and Barkley were consistently on contending teams regardless of whether or not they won.

The Knicks as presently constituted are made up of a bunch of one dimensional role players. There is no franchise player to build around and for the foreseeable future we're limited in our ability to obtain one.

They may be one dimensional right now, but we have to give them the chance to develop, over the years we never did that. It's a good time to start

Posted by MS:

TMS are you kidding me right now Deng is on the cusp of being an allstar, gordon is far better than any guard on this team and is clutch, thomas is going to be a great shotblocker and rebounder, the other kid they got in the draft is going to be a great player....Hinirich actually plays defense we don't have one guard that does. The knicks young core sucks to be honest three guys that don't play defense, I love dlee and i think he is the most valuable player on this team by far, because he has a brain and can get people involved

If you don't think Durant has more upside potential your on drugs he is one of the most talented players in college ball in the last decagde, and oden is putting up big numbers with one hand....

Curry is not really a big positive because with his turnovers and lack of defense his offense is basically a wash for what he gives up, and allows in penetration, when was the last time he commited a hard foul.......

Channing sucks watch the games, he is slow and unathletic and doesn't know how to use his body and can't rebound. He is soft and hangs on out looking for jumpers, never goes to the glass and unless he is wide open he isn't nailing jumpers.....

so basically all of our guys suck except the David 'the franchise' Lee. Do you watch the games? Curry's offense is a wash? Yeah.

Posted by kam77:

Posted by playa2:

Without Kobe demanding attention, we didn't see the real bynum that has been ballin pretty good .

Hey.. be fair... lets imagine how good Curry would be with a guy like Kobe on his team.

Well we already have the best PG in the league, doesn't that count for anything?

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by kam77:

Posted by playa2:

Without Kobe demanding attention, we didn't see the real bynum that has been ballin pretty good .

Hey.. be fair... lets imagine how good Curry would be with a guy like Kobe on his team.

Well we already have the best PG in the league, doesn't that count for anything?

I wish.

If you look at his plus/minus Curry is a wash Killer, and if you compare the two bynum already has more skills to his game then curry, eddy has a great touch no doubting that and is a monster around the basket, but what kind of shape is he going to be in as he ages, he is 25 pounds heavy than he should be, you can say all you want about shaq being overweight but he blocks shots, rebounds and passes the ball.....

If you have one dimension to your game and need the ball or else your not effective there is a problem, rarley will you see eddy make an effort to do anything unless he is getting the ball thats not what you need out of players, sure it can be frustrating but he is so powerful and agile he should get most balls coming off the rim, but he stands flat footed, doesn't jump and rarley gets the big rebound.....

Well eddy continue to work hard, its debatable...

Player Floor Time Statistics by Center
PLAYER TEAM MIN +/- OFF48 DEF48 W L WIN% ON COURT
+/- OFF COURT
+/- TEAM NET
+/-
R. Wallace DET 70% +615 97.5 86.9 62 16 80% +10.6 -2.8 +13.4
B. Wallace DET 72% +599 96.6 86.7 59 21 74% +10.0 -2.4 +12.3
N. Krstic NJN 62% +267 96.5 91.3 49 28 64% +5.2 -5.2 +10.4
B. Miller SAC 73% +228 101.1 97.4 43 36 54% +3.8 -4.8 +8.5
T. Duncan SAS 70% +519 95.5 86.6 59 16 79% +9.0 +1.6 +7.3
Y. Ming HOU 49% +86 92.7 90.6 29 27 52% +2.1 -5.2 +7.3
A. Mourning MIA 32% +234 100.4 91.7 38 23 62% +8.7 +1.6 +7.1
S. O'Neal MIA 45% +276 104.3 96.9 40 18 69% +7.3 +1.0 +6.4
J. Collins NJN 47% +147 93.3 89.6 39 29 57% +3.7 -0.9 +4.7
C. Kaman LAC 64% +165 96.7 93.6 47 30 61% +3.1 -1.2 +4.3
Z. Ilgauskas CLE 57% +185 95.4 91.5 48 29 62% +3.9 -0.1 +4.0
T. Ratliff POR 32% -186 87.6 94.5 16 37 30% -6.9 -10.7 +3.8
A. Biedrins GSW 25% +29 100.0 98.7 30 35 46% +1.4 -2.3 +3.7
J. Collins UTA 43% -23 88.6 89.2 36 38 49% -0.6 -4.1 +3.5
M. Okur UTA 74% -113 93.3 95.1 37 42 47% -1.8 -4.8 +2.9
D. Diop DAL 37% +242 97.9 90.2 48 31 61% +7.7 +4.9 +2.7
F. Elson DEN 39% +65 97.9 95.9 40 31 56% +2.0 -0.8 +2.7
J. Przybilla POR 35% -235 87.7 95.8 21 31 40% -8.1 -10.2 +2.1
M. Ely CHA 33% -71 93.9 96.4 22 32 41% -2.5 -4.6 +2.1
R. LaFrentz BOS 51% -24 99.7 100.3 34 44 44% -0.6 -2.4 +1.9
R. Nesterovic SAS 38% +248 92.5 84.6 46 28 62% +7.9 +6.1 +1.8
M. Camby DEN 46% +40 100.4 99.4 31 25 55% +1.0 -0.3 +1.3
B. Haywood WAS 47% +99 99.1 96.6 41 34 55% +2.5 +1.3 +1.3
A. Foyle GSW 45% -28 94.6 95.4 35 39 47% -0.7 -1.9 +1.1
L. Wright MEM 42% +146 88.3 84.1 42 31 58% +4.2 +3.3 +0.8
J. Foster IND 40% +73 94.1 91.9 28 30 48% +2.2 +1.7 +0.5
Z. Pachulia ATL 61% -234 96.0 100.6 31 46 40% -4.6 -5.1 +0.5
C. Wilcox SEA 22% -50 105.0 107.8 12 16 43% -2.7 -3.1 +0.4
M. Blount BOS 27% -30 100.3 101.7 17 20 46% -1.3 -1.5 +0.2
E. Okafor CHA 21% -71 93.5 97.4 10 15 40% -3.9 -3.9 0.0
S. Hunter PHI 32% -55 96.9 98.9 26 39 40% -2.0 -1.9 -0.1
E. Dampier DAL 48% +238 96.5 90.6 49 29 63% +5.9 +6.1 -0.2
R. Swift SEA 24% -72 100.5 104.0 18 29 38% -3.5 -2.9 -0.6
K. Perkins BOS 33% -52 95.5 97.4 32 31 51% -1.9 -1.3 -0.6
P. Brown NOK 60% -161 92.0 95.3 33 40 45% -3.3 -2.1 -1.2
D. Gadzuric MIL 22% -37 96.5 98.5 31 41 43% -2.0 -0.8 -1.2
S. Dalembert PHI 44% -97 95.8 98.5 30 33 48% -2.7 -1.3 -1.3
K. Brown LAL 49% +79 96.5 94.6 36 34 51% +1.9 +3.2 -1.3
C. Robinson NJN 47% +17 93.4 93.0 40 35 53% +0.4 +2.1 -1.6
C. Mihm LAL 38% +46 100.3 98.9 32 26 55% +1.4 +3.3 -1.8
E. Thomas WAS 28% +3 98.1 98.0 31 36 46% +0.1 +2.5 -2.4
J. Magloire MIL 62% -104 94.4 96.4 38 42 48% -2.0 +0.4 -2.5
N. Mohammed SAS 35% +135 95.1 90.4 45 30 60% +4.7 +7.9 -3.3
T. Battie ORL 55% -126 93.1 95.8 30 47 39% -2.7 +0.9 -3.6
D. Mutombo HOU 24% -88 84.1 88.5 25 38 40% -4.4 -0.7 -3.7
D. Harrison IND 26% -25 88.5 89.7 36 29 55% -1.2 +3.0 -4.1
S. Swift HOU 33% -133 86.5 91.3 24 39 38% -4.8 0.0 -4.8
M. Blount MIN 29% -130 90.5 95.9 17 23 43% -5.4 -0.4 -5.0
E. Curry NYK 46% -388 92.1 102.1 19 51 27% -10.0 -3.0 -7.0
P. Brezec CHA 54% -335 94.1 101.5 24 51 32% -7.4 +0.3 -7.7

If he is such an All-Star and his numbers aren't a wash we is he second to last in the nba for plus minus when he is on the floor

And why are you using statistics from last year MS?

fraud.EXPOSED