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1/27/2007  11:27 PM
“You run a drag screen (See Diagram 10). The one man has the ball on the right side just before the wing. The five man is on the right low post, and the four man is at the top. The four man comes and sets a drag screen on the side for the one man. After four sets a screen, if he is a good shooter, he can pop out for a shot, or if he is a low post player, he rolls to the left low post.”


Diagram 10. Drag Screen

Assume the four man indeed rolls to the post. “The five guy comes to the top, so you have a high-low post situation. If they cheat to cover the post, you hit one of the corners. Wherever the read is, that’s where you pass.”

Spacing is important in that play. “You want your players 15-17 feet apart,” Coleman said. That way you can’t be double-teamed. Patience is also crucial. “You tell your players to take their time, make the right read and go through their options. Don’t be in too much of a hurry.”

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1/28/2007  12:21 AM
that is pretty much how the Knicks run that play. What are you trying to say that I have no idea what I am talking about?
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1/28/2007  4:22 AM
Posted by oohah:
Tell me about Frye and the good things he is doing.

Can I jump in Martin?

Below are Frye's last ten games. We have current posts saying he is "lost" on offense. Can we just watch the players without wanting one to do bad so the other gets more time?

I spy in Frye's last ten games an 80% shooting game, a 75%, a 72.7%, a 63.6%, and 2 50% shooting games. Not bad for a guy who is being played as a perimeter shooter.

The rest of you guys:

I see people saying that Hol loves Frye and hates Lee. Typical nonsense. The point Holfresh has been trying to make for a while now is that as good as Lee is, he isn't Jesus. And you all are acting like it really is blasphemy.

Instead of asking Hol why he hates Lee when he has never even suggested in any way a dislike of Lee, ask yourselves why you are rooting against Frye, and why you seem unable to admit when he does anything well.

Lee is a good player having an excellent season. He is not Jesus.

You look at the last ten games and you will see that they are both playing well and they have both had some poor games too. Root for both of them for chrissake! They both play for our team!!

Frye's last 10 games:

 Jan 26 MIA W 116-96 1 36:43   7 11 63.6  0 0 0.0  2 2 100.0  2 4 6  1 0 2 1 3 16  
 Jan 24 PHO L 107-112 1 20:24   5 10 50.0  0 0 0.0  1 1 100.0  2 2 4  0 2 0 0 6 11  
 Jan 22 @ MIA L 83-101 1 13:54   0 2 0.0  0 0 0.0  0 0 0.0  0 2 2  0 1 1 0 2 0  
 Jan 20 @ IND W 108-106 1 10:21   3 4 75.0  0 0 0.0  0 0 0.0  0 1 1  1 0 0 0 6 6  
 Jan 19 NJN L 100-101 1 34:12   5 10 50.0  0 0 0.0  6 6 100.0  0 7 7  3 2 0 0 2 16  
 Jan 17 @ WAS L 98-99 1 20:02   3 8 37.5  0 0 0.0  0 0 0.0  0 6 6  1 1 1 0 2 6  
 Jan 15 SAC W 102-97 1 23:18   8 11 72.7  1 1 100.0  0 0 0.0  0 5 5  0 0 1 1 4 17  
 Jan 12 CHA L 110-126 1 28:03   5 12 41.7  0 0 0.0  2 2 100.0  3 5 8  0 0 1 1 1 12  
 Jan 10 PHI W 106-99 1 30:30   8 10 80.0  0 0 0.0  1 2 50.0  1 7 8  1 0 0 0 5 17  
 Jan 5 @ SEA W 111-93 1 22:13   4 8 50.0  0 0 0.0  1 1 100.0  1 4 5  1 0 0 1 1 9


Lee's last 10 games:

Jan 26 MIA W 116-96 0 29:25   2 4 50.0  0 0 0.0  7 8 87.5  1 11 12  3 3 1 0 2 11  
 Jan 24 PHO L 107-112 0 33:33   8 11 72.7  0 0 0.0  1 1 100.0  3 11 14  2 3 0 0 5 17  
 Jan 22 @ MIA L 83-101 0 40:39   3 9 33.3  0 0 0.0  3 4 75.0  2 13 15  2 1 1 0 0 9  
 Jan 20 @ IND W 108-106 0 44:40   5 8 62.5  0 0 0.0  10 12 83.3  4 12 16  3 2 0 0 3 20  
 Jan 19 NJN L 100-101 0 21:45   3 6 50.0  0 0 0.0  3 4 75.0  5 4 9  0 0 0 0 2 9  
 Jan 17 @ WAS L 98-99 0 32:38   4 6 66.7  0 0 0.0  3 3 100.0  1 9 10  2 3 0 0 2 11  
 Jan 15 SAC W 102-97 0 26:08   5 9 55.6  0 0 0.0  5 6 83.3  3 9 12  0 0 1 0 1 15  
 Jan 12 CHA L 110-126 0 26:31   4 6 66.7  0 0 0.0  1 2 50.0  2 3 5  3 1 1 1 2 9  
 Jan 10 PHI W 106-99 0 25:28   1 3 33.3  0 0 0.0  7 8 87.5  2 4 6  3 1 0 0 2 9  
 Jan 5 @ SEA W 111-93 0 28:16   5 8 62.5  0 0 0.0  0 0 0.0  6 4 10  2 1 0 0 3 10


oohah

who is saying that Frye is lost on offense?
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1/28/2007  9:34 AM
Posted by King1:

that is pretty much how the Knicks run that play. What are you trying to say that I have no idea what I am talking about?

Nope. I'm trying to say I didn't know what a drag screen was.
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1/28/2007  1:12 PM
who is saying that Frye is lost on offense?

Check this thread: http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=19660&page=3

And I am certain there are several other recent threads that make similar statements by many of our posters, because I have seen them. I just don't have time to go thread-sleuthing at this moment. Hook up the search!

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1/28/2007  2:37 PM
Posted by oohah:
who is saying that Frye is lost on offense?

Check this thread: http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=19660&page=3

And I am certain there are several other recent threads that make similar statements by many of our posters, because I have seen them. I just don't have time to go thread-sleuthing at this moment. Hook up the search!

oohah

for me, I think Frye is lost on the D side of things.
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1/28/2007  2:53 PM
I think it is cristall clear.
Stuppid decisions are leading to points and defensive stops.
Stuppid decisions to turnovers and opponent points.
All players have both
The statictical measure of the player bbal IQ is the +/- in point, turnovers, and defensive stops made when he is on the court.
I don't know how this numbers looks for Knicks roster but it is interesting to see
This will close this heated deicussion... I guess...
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1/28/2007  2:59 PM
Posted by arkrud:

I think it is cristall clear.
Stuppid decisions are leading to points and defensive stops.
Stuppid decisions to turnovers and opponent points.
All players have both
The statictical measure of the player bbal IQ is the +/- in point, turnovers, and defensive stops made when he is on the court.
I don't know how this numbers looks for Knicks roster but it is interesting to see
This will close this heated deicussion... I guess...


Oops - must be Smart decisions are leading to points and defensive stops.
I guess I am really stuppid poster..
Hehe I gess you noticed that


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1/28/2007  4:50 PM
Are you really trying to say Lee isn't Jesus?!?!?
Are you trying to imply that Lee did not die and then rise on the 3rd day?!?!?

David Lee is my personal lord and savior and through him all things are possible.

I have seen the light!!!





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1/28/2007  6:19 PM
We know Frye isnt in the picture those 4 players are way to close to the basket.
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1/28/2007  7:05 PM
Posted by King1:

We know Frye isnt in the picture those 4 players are way to close to the basket.

King, I think you're joking, but I am not sure. We've been through this before. The reason Frye is playing an outside shooter's game is because that is where the coach is playing him. Do you understand that, or do you think that Frye just doesn't ever want to play inside?

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1/28/2007  8:35 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by King1:

We know Frye isnt in the picture those 4 players are way to close to the basket.

King, I think you're joking, but I am not sure. We've been through this before. The reason Frye is playing an outside shooter's game is because that is where the coach is playing him. Do you understand that, or do you think that Frye just doesn't ever want to play inside?

oohah

Frye played outside in college also, in a conference that is notoriously regarded as a guards conference. There was no Eddy Curry at Arizona or in the conference and Frye was still playing outside on offense. Curry isn't the excuse for why Frye plays on the outside, it's because he doesnt have anything that resembles a consistent inside game.
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1/28/2007  8:46 PM
I have no problem Frye playing on the perimeter on offense. I have a problem him not rebounding or blocking any shots.
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1/28/2007  9:30 PM
Frye played outside in college also, in a conference that is notoriously regarded as a guards conference. There was no Eddy Curry at Arizona or in the conference and Frye was still playing outside on offense. Curry isn't the excuse for why Frye plays on the outside, it's because he doesnt have anything that resembles a consistent inside game.

Unfortunately, I always paid more attentions to the guards at AU, so I can't say too much about Frye in college. Anyway, who said Curry was an excuse? The reason why Frye played outside at AU was because that is where the coach played him, same as the Knicks.

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1/28/2007  9:35 PM
Posted by oohah:
Frye played outside in college also, in a conference that is notoriously regarded as a guards conference. There was no Eddy Curry at Arizona or in the conference and Frye was still playing outside on offense. Curry isn't the excuse for why Frye plays on the outside, it's because he doesnt have anything that resembles a consistent inside game.

Unfortunately, I always paid more attentions to the guards at AU, so I can't say too much about Frye in college. Anyway, who said Curry was an excuse? The reason why Frye played outside at AU was because that is where the coach played him, same as the Knicks.

oohah

You're making it sound like Frye is being a good soldier by playing out on the perimeter. He doesn't play on the perimeter because he's a good soldier, he plays on the perimeter because he can't play inside.
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1/28/2007  10:33 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by oohah:
Frye played outside in college also, in a conference that is notoriously regarded as a guards conference. There was no Eddy Curry at Arizona or in the conference and Frye was still playing outside on offense. Curry isn't the excuse for why Frye plays on the outside, it's because he doesnt have anything that resembles a consistent inside game.

Unfortunately, I always paid more attentions to the guards at AU, so I can't say too much about Frye in college. Anyway, who said Curry was an excuse? The reason why Frye played outside at AU was because that is where the coach played him, same as the Knicks.

oohah

You're making it sound like Frye is being a good soldier by playing out on the perimeter. He doesn't play on the perimeter because he's a good soldier, he plays on the perimeter because he can't play inside.

Yeah, all of Frye's coaches play him on the perimeter because he's just such a beast on the inside it's not fair to the opposition.
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1/28/2007  10:34 PM
one coach tried to make him put it on the floor and post up...but channing didn't like him.
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1/29/2007  12:46 AM
You're making it sound like Frye is being a good soldier by playing out on the perimeter. He doesn't play on the perimeter because he's a good soldier, he plays on the perimeter because he can't play inside.

He plays on the perimeter because the coach has decided that is what best suits his abilities.

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1/29/2007  12:50 AM
DO you guys think if Isiah told Frye to stay within 5 feet of the basket and play post up he would refuse and insist on shooting 18 foot jumpers? Or would he do what the coach asks of him?

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1/29/2007  12:54 AM
Posted by oohah:

DO you guys think if Isiah told Frye to stay within 5 feet of the basket and play post up he would refuse and insist on shooting 18 foot jumpers? Or would he do what the coach asks of him?

oohah

Of course he's going to do what the coach tells him, but the coach at Arizona told him to do the same thing and at Arizona he was playing against guys that were much shorter than him.

Frye is not a inside player, which is why he plays on the perimeter.
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