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Whats beautiful is Curry is still far below his ceiling.
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SugarRayRichardson
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1/21/2007  12:32 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

if he had a ball distributor like nash, how many more rebounds would he get? charges? blocks? or shot alterations?


He would probably be getting 1rpg more just being away from Dlee. Playing in that system I bet he would be a 9rpg guy. Thats only 1.7rpg more than now. I cant answer for shot blocks. No way to know. You clearly ignored the point that Nash and those shooters would obviously increase his ppg and apg easily. You also ignored that Amares numbers would come down outside of that system. Amare is the 2-3 rd best center in the nba today. Curry is #4
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/21/2007  12:34 PM
playing in that system, he would play 30 mins or less a night. 1/2 the possessions, he wouldn't even be cross half court before a shot goes up.
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1/21/2007  12:48 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

playing in that system, he would play 30 mins or less a night. 1/2 the possessions, he wouldn't even be cross half court before a shot goes up.

I doubt that. Often Curry is the first guy down court for us.

DJ do you just hate anyone with a Chicago connection?
You hate Curry (Grew up and played in Chicago)
You hate Isiah (Grew up in Chicago)
You hate Jcraw (Played in Chicago)
You posted numerous threads to trade Qrich (grew up in Chicago).
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/21/2007  1:00 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by djsunyc:

playing in that system, he would play 30 mins or less a night. 1/2 the possessions, he wouldn't even be cross half court before a shot goes up.

I doubt that. Often Curry is the first guy down court for us.

DJ do you just hate anyone with a Chicago connection?
You hate Curry (Grew up and played in Chicago)
You hate Isiah (Grew up in Chicago)
You hate Jcraw (Played in Chicago)
You posted numerous threads to trade Qrich (grew up in Chicago).

and here's where you're jumping to conclusions. where criticism = hate.

i don't hate curry. but i am not going to ignore his absolute pathetic play on the other side of the half court line. his offense is dominating and he has proved me wrong on that end of the floor. with his emergence on offense, the team needs to be restructured big time if we're going to build around him offensively. but on the other end of the spectrum, defensively, it's pretty darn disgusting and requires a restructured team to make up for his deficiencies there. which means it's much tougher to build a team b/c you need to find two-way players at every position to make up for his utter lack of intimidation in the lane.

isiah - well yes, i don't like him as our gm.

jamal - i don't hate him. he just frustrates the hell out of me and i really don't know if he'll ever learn b/c right now, the guy's a rucker player. he's probably one of the worst decision makers with the ball in the league. and he's ALWAYS been like that except for 2 months of his career under lb.

quentin is my favorite player on the team. and he's one of the VERY few players i like on this team. he's a throwback guy that you don't have to keep subbing offense/defense with b/c he can play both. i also know he's playing the best ball of his career but has a back issue that never goes away. it's tough to rely on a guy like that, so that's why i think we should trade him.

i have no allegiences to ANYBODY on this team and could really care less if they're here or not, all i care about is that the team is being built to be a big time winner down the road. that's why you never see me make 15 millions posts trying to defend one particular player on this team. i criticize all of them. i hate steph and want him gone. 6 weeks of inspired all world play does not change my mind on that. but during these past 6 weeks, i freely say that he's playing like a STUD. a flat out stud.

the majority of my posts criticize the building of the team and there's only one guy that's responsible for that.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-21-2007 1:01 PM]
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1/21/2007  1:53 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by djsunyc:

playing in that system, he would play 30 mins or less a night. 1/2 the possessions, he wouldn't even be cross half court before a shot goes up.

I doubt that. Often Curry is the first guy down court for us.

DJ do you just hate anyone with a Chicago connection?
You hate Curry (Grew up and played in Chicago)
You hate Isiah (Grew up in Chicago)
You hate Jcraw (Played in Chicago)
You posted numerous threads to trade Qrich (grew up in Chicago).

and here's where you're jumping to conclusions. where criticism = hate.

i don't hate curry. but i am not going to ignore his absolute pathetic play on the other side of the half court line. his offense is dominating and he has proved me wrong on that end of the floor. with his emergence on offense, the team needs to be restructured big time if we're going to build around him offensively. but on the other end of the spectrum, defensively, it's pretty darn disgusting and requires a restructured team to make up for his deficiencies there. which means it's much tougher to build a team b/c you need to find two-way players at every position to make up for his utter lack of intimidation in the lane.

isiah - well yes, i don't like him as our gm.

jamal - i don't hate him. he just frustrates the hell out of me and i really don't know if he'll ever learn b/c right now, the guy's a rucker player. he's probably one of the worst decision makers with the ball in the league. and he's ALWAYS been like that except for 2 months of his career under lb.

quentin is my favorite player on the team. and he's one of the VERY few players i like on this team. he's a throwback guy that you don't have to keep subbing offense/defense with b/c he can play both. i also know he's playing the best ball of his career but has a back issue that never goes away. it's tough to rely on a guy like that, so that's why i think we should trade him.

i have no allegiences to ANYBODY on this team and could really care less if they're here or not, all i care about is that the team is being built to be a big time winner down the road. that's why you never see me make 15 millions posts trying to defend one particular player on this team. i criticize all of them. i hate steph and want him gone. 6 weeks of inspired all world play does not change my mind on that. but during these past 6 weeks, i freely say that he's playing like a STUD. a flat out stud.

the majority of my posts criticize the building of the team and there's only one guy that's responsible for that.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-21-2007 1:01 PM]

So you dislike Isiah, Marbury, Curry, Jcraw and have made numerous threads to trade your favorite player Qrich. Ok you now have your wish. All the people you dislike are gone.

So doesnt that leave you with a team without Isiah as coach/GM with Frye, Lee, Jeffries, Nate and Mo Collins playing the majority of the game? Is that what you really want?
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/21/2007  2:37 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:


Amare has 9 games this season of 6 rebs or less is it because he is in bad shape and not trying?

Duncan has 8 games this season of 6 rebs or less is it because he is in bad shape and not trying?

Ben Wallace has 10 games of 6 rebs or less this season is it because he is in bad shape and not trying?

Elton Brand has 13 games of 6 rebs or less this season is it because he is in bad shape and not trying?

Lets keep your Curry bashing standard the same for everyone.

# of games with 3 rebounds or less:

Curry: 6
Duncan: 0
Ben: 2
Brand: 2
Amare: 4 (2 were early in the year where he played 10-11 minutes a game)

I mean just look at the rebounds per game:

Curry:    7.3
Amare: 9.1
Duncan: 10.4
Wallace: 10.1
Brand: 9.0


Curry is not in the class of these other guys. Hell even Jason Kidd is outrebounding Curry (8.3).
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1/21/2007  2:39 PM
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Posted by SugarRayRichardson:


Amare has 9 games this season of 6 rebs or less is it because he is in bad shape and not trying?

Duncan has 8 games this season of 6 rebs or less is it because he is in bad shape and not trying?

Ben Wallace has 10 games of 6 rebs or less this season is it because he is in bad shape and not trying?

Elton Brand has 13 games of 6 rebs or less this season is it because he is in bad shape and not trying?

Lets keep your Curry bashing standard the same for everyone.

# of games with 3 rebounds or less:

Curry: 6
Duncan: 0
Ben: 2
Brand: 2
Amare: 4 (2 were early in the year where he played 10-11 minutes a game)

I mean just look at the rebounds per game:

Curry:    7.3
Amare: 9.1
Duncan: 10.4
Wallace: 10.1
Brand: 9.0


Curry is not in the class of these other guys. Hell even Jason Kidd is outrebounding Curry (8.3).

He isnt at their level rebounding yet. But he is getting there and he is just as good a scorer. Jkidd out rebounds many nba centers including his own. Jkidd averaging 8.3 means Jkidd is great not that Curry sucks
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/21/2007  3:25 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

He isnt at their level rebounding yet. But he is getting there and he is just as good a scorer. Jkidd out rebounds many nba centers including his own. Jkidd averaging 8.3 means Jkidd is great not that Curry sucks

Yet? What makes you think he's getting there? Curry's 24 years old. At age 24, Duncan was bringing down 12.2 rebounds per game. Brand was pulling down 10.3. Amare is the same age, and has never been under 8.8 rebounds/game, which is far above what Curry's ever done.

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1/21/2007  3:30 PM
he isn't getting there. curry is a bad rebounder he probably wont improve on that by a lot. at this point ill be happy if he improves in it at all, which he hasn't done this season. how many centers that have been bad rebounders up until the age of 24 turned it around after that? my guess would be not many.

oh well it's not a huge deal. he is what he is. the knicks as an organization will just have to find some way to work around that if they plan on building around him. which I guess wont be hard. after all the knicks are one of the best rebounding teams if not THE best.

but the fact that he's bad defensively is perhaps a bigger problem. all in all he still is an asset to this team though, because of his offensive dominance. he just isn't a franchise player.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 01-21-2007 3:31 PM]
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1/21/2007  3:41 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

he isn't getting there. curry is a bad rebounder he probably wont improve on that by a lot. at this point ill be happy if he improves in it at all, which he hasn't done this season. how many centers that have been bad rebounders up until the age of 24 turned it around after that? my guess would be not many.

oh well it's not a huge deal. he is what he is. the knicks as an organization will just have to find some way to work around that if they plan on building around him. which I guess wont be hard. after all the knicks are one of the best rebounding teams if not THE best.

but the fact that he's bad defensively is perhaps a bigger problem. all in all he still is an asset to this team though, because of his offensive dominance. he just isn't a franchise player.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 01-21-2007 3:31 PM]

Good point. We're 1st in offensive rebounding, but only 12th on defensive rebounding.

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1/21/2007  3:45 PM
Camby went from being an average to bad rebounder to an elite one after that age ^^^

Course he didnt have a 40 pound turkey to carry around either
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1/21/2007  4:05 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Camby went from being an average to bad rebounder to an elite one after that age ^^^

Course he didnt have a 40 pound turkey to carry around either

really? hm that is kind of interesting. My first reaction to this is that the reason it happened with him is because his initial rebounding deficiencies were more a matter of strength than they were lack of effort (like it is with curry), but if he went from average to bad to good than that probably isn't the case. oh well, that at least proves that it's not impossible for curry to improve significantly, but I would still think that the odds are against it happening.
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1/21/2007  4:28 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Camby went from being an average to bad rebounder to an elite one after that age ^^^

Course he didnt have a 40 pound turkey to carry around either


I wrote about this last year: http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=358
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1/21/2007  5:45 PM
Curry's rebounding problem isnt technique though, its conditioning. Camby's skill improved. Under JVG he learned better fundamentals and with that wirey super long frame he became an elite rebounder. Curry's problem is he's fat and gassed so he mails it in on that end of the court.

If Curry can lose that weight I would say he could be a top 10 player in this league.
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1/21/2007  6:19 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Curry's rebounding problem isnt technique though, its conditioning. Camby's skill improved. Under JVG he learned better fundamentals and with that wirey super long frame he became an elite rebounder. Curry's problem is he's fat and gassed so he mails it in on that end of the court.

If Curry can lose that weight I would say he could be a top 10 player in this league.

OK Jack La Lanne...

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1/21/2007  6:22 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Curry's rebounding problem isnt technique though, its conditioning. Camby's skill improved. Under JVG he learned better fundamentals and with that wirey super long frame he became an elite rebounder. Curry's problem is he's fat and gassed so he mails it in on that end of the court.

If Curry can lose that weight I would say he could be a top 10 player in this league.

Watch Curry play when the opponent takes a shot. He never boxes out, just weakly sticks an arm out. I remember the first (or second) game against Boston, Gomes beat him to a ton of rebounds because Curry doesn't get his body on anyone.
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1/21/2007  6:23 PM
JVG taught Camby proper rebounding technique...Where do you guys find this stuff...

[Edited by - holfresh on 01-21-2007 6:29 PM]
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1/21/2007  6:43 PM
Posted by holfresh:

JVG taught Camby proper rebounding technique...Where do you guys find this stuff...

[Edited by - holfresh on 01-21-2007 6:29 PM]
your right... allow me to amend my statement

Camby's first 3 years in the league he averaged 6.3,7.4 and 5.5

In 4 years with the Knicks, all coached by JVG these are Camby's rebounding averages
1998 5.5
1999 7.8
2000 11.5
2001 11.1

His average in 5 years after playing with the Knicks is well over 10 per game

holfresh, how's this?

Before the Knicks Camby was a below average rebounder

With the Knicks he improved each year and by year 3 with the Knicks was an elite rebounder in the league.

Following the Knicks he continued to be a dominating rebounder

The KNicks were coached by JGV while Camby played with them, a coach we all know stresses defense and rebounding above all else.

So holfresh.. I hope that clears up where "you guys find this stuff"


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1/21/2007  6:46 PM
Posted by KnickerBlogger:
Posted by fishmike:

Curry's rebounding problem isnt technique though, its conditioning. Camby's skill improved. Under JVG he learned better fundamentals and with that wirey super long frame he became an elite rebounder. Curry's problem is he's fat and gassed so he mails it in on that end of the court.

If Curry can lose that weight I would say he could be a top 10 player in this league.

Watch Curry play when the opponent takes a shot. He never boxes out, just weakly sticks an arm out. I remember the first (or second) game against Boston, Gomes beat him to a ton of rebounds because Curry doesn't get his body on anyone.
Be carefull... sugar ray might read this and accuse you of being a racist. Lucky for you Gomes isnt a white guy.

I keep saying this, but all guys want to look at is Curry's FG% and how many points he scores. He is getting better, but he's still overweight and the fact that he doesnt even try on one end of the court is rough to watch sometimes
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1/21/2007  7:25 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:

JVG taught Camby proper rebounding technique...Where do you guys find this stuff...

[Edited by - holfresh on 01-21-2007 6:29 PM]
your right... allow me to amend my statement

Camby's first 3 years in the league he averaged 6.3,7.4 and 5.5

In 4 years with the Knicks, all coached by JVG these are Camby's rebounding averages
1998 5.5
1999 7.8
2000 11.5
2001 11.1

His average in 5 years after playing with the Knicks is well over 10 per game

holfresh, how's this?

Before the Knicks Camby was a below average rebounder

With the Knicks he improved each year and by year 3 with the Knicks was an elite rebounder in the league.

Following the Knicks he continued to be a dominating rebounder

The KNicks were coached by JGV while Camby played with them, a coach we all know stresses defense and rebounding above all else.

So holfresh.. I hope that clears up where "you guys find this stuff"

The guy barely played his first three years in the league..He was always injury prone which is why we got him for an aging Oakley...JVG hated him an wouldn't play him...Camby complained in the press...JVG and Grenfeld had a huge fight about it...Not starting Spree and playing Camby...Grenfeld was eventually fired because it came down to JVG or Grenfeld over this at MSG...Now you want to give JVG the credit for Camby..I bet the stats you checked didn't give you that story...


[Edited by - holfresh on 01-21-2007 7:26 PM]
Whats beautiful is Curry is still far below his ceiling.

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