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1/19/2007  11:37 AM
Whatever you guys are missing the point.....

He is a classless and dumb and he really needs to just do his job and stop making excuses for the team, the record etc. He has been running the team for three years, we have a little more young talent but his misuse of the mid-level and terrible trades might set this franchise back for years......All i hear is his draft record, but its not all that impressive to me, i am not in love with frye or nate and he takes to many chances on the wrong type of players that aren't hard workers, team orientated guys, etc....i would rather have the celtics young talent to be honest they are in a far better position and are probably going to get a franchise talent this year, while our draft pick is going god knows where......and if you tell me you would rather have eddy than bynum/granger and thomas/roye/foye and another nice pick this year thats fine but i don't agree with it....

All I heard was how jefferies was this difference maker, don't judge us till he gets back, etc....and its time to admit that jefferies is garbage and doesn't even bring the defense in he was signed for....he has been starting the wrong team the entire season, his lineups are inconsistent and this team would have not been on any sort of positive upswing if he was still trying to work francis into the lineup. he has very little vision and just tries to do everything on the fly.....

his lack of thought is really whats in question, with coaches, actions within the organization, he is a media nightmare....
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1/19/2007  11:38 AM
Seriously who really cares. Its a no win situation when he steps in front of that mike.
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1/19/2007  11:39 AM
Posted by MS:

Whatever you guys are missing the point.....

He is a classless and dumb and he really needs to just do his job and stop making excuses for the team, the record etc. He has been running the team for three years, we have a little more young talent but his misuse of the mid-level and terrible trades might set this franchise back for years......All i hear is his draft record, but its not all that impressive to me, i am not in love with frye or nate and he takes to many chances on the wrong type of players that aren't hard workers, team orientated guys, etc....i would rather have the celtics young talent to be honest they are in a far better position and are probably going to get a franchise talent this year, while our draft pick is going god knows where......and if you tell me you would rather have eddy than bynum/granger and thomas/roye/foye and another nice pick this year thats fine but i don't agree with it....

All I heard was how jefferies was this difference maker, don't judge us till he gets back, etc....and its time to admit that jefferies is garbage and doesn't even bring the defense in he was signed for....he has been starting the wrong team the entire season, his lineups are inconsistent and this team would have not been on any sort of positive upswing if he was still trying to work francis into the lineup. he has very little vision and just tries to do everything on the fly.....

his lack of thought is really whats in question, with coaches, actions within the organization, he is a media nightmare....

No seriously, why dont you tell us how you really feel?

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1/19/2007  11:43 AM
Get Your Pancakes, Waffles, and French Toast Ready

Isiah pitches 'underdog' role to Knicks
BY ANTHONY RIEBER
Newsday Staff Correspondent

January 18, 2007, 11:29 PM EST

GREENBURGH, N.Y. -- Perhaps it's part of Isiah Thomas' plan to lower expectations so owner James Dolan considers any success a sign of progress. Or maybe it's his way of forming an underdog mentality with his players. Or perhaps he really believes the Nets are much, much, much, much better than the Knicks.

Whatever Thomas' motivation, the Knicks' coach laid it on pretty thick Thursday in .discussing his team's first meeting this season with its cross-river rivals, which will take place Friday night at Madison Square Garden.




How thick?

Think an entire bottle of syrup poured over a stack of sugar-dusted pancakes. Thomas' fawning praise of the Nets was just as gooey and sweet and hard to swallow after the first few sound bites.

To listen to Thomas was to hear that the Knicks are lucky if they don't get blown out by 20 Friday night against a team that is only two games ahead of them in the Atlantic Division standings and is 10-2 at the Garden in the Jason Kidd era, playoffs included. Here's a sample:

"They're playing at a very high level. They know how to do it. They know when to turn it on and our job is to one day be as good as they've been."

"They probably don't view us like we view them because they're the champs. We have to catch them. Our job is to one day be where they are and take what they have."

"We're not at championship-level yet. They've got some guys who've played in championship games, they know how to get up for big games and everything else. They know how to make a statement and we're not in the statement business yet."

"If this becomes a rivalry, that's good, because that means we've gotten to the point where we're looked at as a .pretty good team because New Jersey's a pretty good team. You can only have a rivalry when you have two good teams. We'll see."

"I'm expecting them to play well and I hope we play well."

Thomas has played the "poor-us" card more than once this season, so it's no surprise he's bringing it out now as the Knicks (17-23) begin a stretch of games against good teams, including the 18-20 Nets, who have won seven of nine.

The Knicks fly right to Indiana after Friday night's loss -- sorry, Friday night's game LOL!-- and play the Pacers Saturday.

Then it's at Miami, home for Phoenix and then Miami, at .Milwaukee and home against the Lakers. If things go horribly wrong, 17-22 could become 17-30 pretty fast.

But the Knicks are playing better.

Even Thomas admitted that, though he was unhappy enough about some aspects of Wednesday's heart-breaking 99-98 loss at Washington that he kept the players for an extra hour at practice Thursday. Thomas said he was "cleaning up" some things, but wouldn't specify what those things were. Not allowing a dunk on the other team's final possession when you're up by one point was probably high on the list.

"I think we still have a ways to go," Thomas said.

As for the Nets, they come into the Garden with renewed confidence and a souped-up Kidd, who is playing his best ball of the season despite his very public divorce.

The Nets still have two of the best wing players in the NBA in Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson, but lack meat on their bones up front, especially with center Nenad Krstic lost for the season with a torn ACL.

"Jefferson, Carter, Kidd," .Thomas said. "That's really, really, really good. We definitely have our work cut out for us."

OK. Got it. Pass the syrup.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-19-2007 10:48 AM]
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1/19/2007  11:51 AM
That article was brutally bad. Zeke is only watching out for himself at this point. It's kinda of sad because the fans deserve so much more. He said as much "We're Not Good but the Nets are."

Isn't this from the LB tear the team down to build them back up school of reasoning that wasn't acceptable.
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1/19/2007  11:57 AM
Spin that anyway you want, i am getting sick to my stomach......

They have been terrible this season and lost in the first round the last two years, they are champs of what?

If Dolan doesn't do something its going to be $10 tickets for a long time
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1/19/2007  12:03 PM
Posted by MS:

Spin that anyway you want, i am getting sick to my stomach......

They have been terrible this season and lost in the first round the last two years, they are champs of what?

If Dolan doesn't do something its going to be $10 tickets for a long time

You mean in the last 2yrs not lost in the 1rst round the last 2yrs. Otherwise you make it sound like this team has been in the playoffs the past 2yrs. Actually they lost in the 1rst round 3yrs ago(03/04 Playoffs).
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1/19/2007  12:03 PM
The Laker game concerns me greatly.
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1/19/2007  12:04 PM
Posted by K22:

The Laker game concerns me greatly.

But not the Suns game, you know the team that has won 26-28 gms?
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1/19/2007  12:08 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by K22:

The Laker game concerns me greatly.

But not the Suns game, you know the team that has won 26-28 gms?

Not as much, we did beat them here last year.
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1/19/2007  12:24 PM
An intelligent human being would say "Right now we are both fighting to win the division, they have had more success than us for a few years, but we think we closing the gap and making progress" Not that they are a good team they have 2 more wins, they are not a good team right now, no point in highlighted it......
The fans don't see what i see

Thats why those guys get paid a lot of money---aha aha ahah ahah

We are not going to win the game if they 14-20 from three----aha aha aha

Highlighting Lees poor shooting....

The guy should just abstain from talking

If im a coach in that situation thats how I would respond.
When RJ said this, there was an uproar, now when Isiah says it, it's ok?

Also how many thread have been made about Larry Brown's negativity and how he slammed the players to the press all the time. Yet when Isiah makes these comments its okay and people are reading too much into it.
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1/19/2007  12:27 PM
Posted by TMS:

i think he's challenging his team to step up & show him that they belong at the top of the Atlantic division... yeah, the entire division sucks at this point & i'm sure Isiah's well aware of that also... this is just a subtle mind game he's playing w/his own team... coaches like Pat Riley & Phil Jackson have done this for as long as i can remember.

Absolutely. He's calling out his guys to show they're good.
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1/19/2007  1:16 PM
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1/19/2007  1:23 PM
Actually, his assessment is accurate. The team has made great progress from last year and the beginning of the season. Are we a good team ? No, we are still mediocre, still losing to teams like Charlotte and giving up a wide open dunk. But that being said, the team looks good and have been playing competitive ball lately. Good enough ball to catch the attention of the rest of the league, at least in the east. He said that if does turn to a rivalry that it means teams view us as a good team. He's not convinced yet, so the team needs to win for this to be true. Jersey has been good for the last few years
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1/19/2007  1:29 PM
i was talking about the nets
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1/19/2007  1:33 PM
Posted by Masterplan:

honestly i had much more of a problem with his ass-kissing of arenas before last game:

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070117/SPORTS01/701170391/1108

there, he was making huge excuses for why arenas was going to score a lot, and trying to do everything he could to get on his good side so he doesn't make the knicks look bad. when we actually did contain gilbert, if i were a knick i'd be kind of pissed at the lack of faith IT had in my play.

this? at worst it's a slip of the tongue. our record is not "pretty good." at best we have a few players who are "pretty good" right now. we have a lot to prove before we deserve any respect as a team.

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1/19/2007  1:39 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by Masterplan:

honestly i had much more of a problem with his ass-kissing of arenas before last game:

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070117/SPORTS01/701170391/1108

there, he was making huge excuses for why arenas was going to score a lot, and trying to do everything he could to get on his good side so he doesn't make the knicks look bad. when we actually did contain gilbert, if i were a knick i'd be kind of pissed at the lack of faith IT had in my play.

this? at worst it's a slip of the tongue. our record is not "pretty good." at best we have a few players who are "pretty good" right now. we have a lot to prove before we deserve any respect as a team.

This really is IT's MO. He is going to say whatever to the media, but behind closed doors he is telling these guys that the Nets have been taking the Knicks' lunch money and prom dates for the past 5 years and it is time for the **** to stop. He praised Arenas but he then got his players to shut Arenas down. That is how IT works.
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1/19/2007  1:54 PM
well its clear that Isiah never thought the knicks were a good team anyway, because it seems like hes always making excuses for them. anyway I kind of liked this quote because it actually seemed like Isiah was being honest. which he usually never is.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 01-19-2007 1:54 PM]
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1/19/2007  2:02 PM
better yet, if Isiah realizes that the knicks aren't a good team, than what's his plan for changing that? surely he realizes that the knicks can only grow from within to a certain degree, and that late first round picks and MLE signings can only do so much. Hopefully this means that Isiah realizes that he's going to have to do something if he is to eventually turn the knicks into a 50 win team, nevermind a championship caliber team. Although its the goal of every rebuilding team to eventually compete for a championship. not just to be a 50 win team like the cavs.
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1/19/2007  2:14 PM
I wonder what you guys would say if Isiah proclaimed the Knicks are good or very good?

It would be the same story: Me am hate Isiah!!

Why not just say that and be done with it instead of all the pointless contradictory nonsense?

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