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djsunyc
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1/18/2007  1:37 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

does a player that needs to be babied and coddled going to help a franchise win big games in the playoffs and lead the team deep?

That's how I look at it. Curry needs the perfect PG around him (one who moves the ball, penetrates and creates shots, and gaurds the perimeter well so that Curry's awful defense isn't exposed, and one who can hit perimeter shots when Curry's double teamed). He needs a perfect SG (same description as PG with less emphasis on passing and more on shooting). He needs a perfect PF (one who can do *everything* on defense because Curry does nothing and who will get out of his way in the low post on offense). Curry sure is a *needy* player to build around. Maybe he just isn't the kind of player a smart organization chooses to build around.

strangely, Curry is improving without the perfect PG, without a SG who is automatic.

I think the guy needs more time to improve on the D side of things.

that is true. if we are building around curry offensively, we do have to make some major changes in the lineup.
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1/18/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

does a player that needs to be babied and coddled going to help a franchise win big games in the playoffs and lead the team deep?

That's how I look at it. Curry needs the perfect PG around him (one who moves the ball, penetrates and creates shots, and gaurds the perimeter well so that Curry's awful defense isn't exposed, and one who can hit perimeter shots when Curry's double teamed). He needs a perfect SG (same description as PG with less emphasis on passing and more on shooting). He needs a perfect PF (one who can do *everything* on defense because Curry does nothing and who will get out of his way in the low post on offense). Curry sure is a *needy* player to build around. Maybe he just isn't the kind of player a smart organization chooses to build around.

Bonn you may be right you may be wrong. Only the future will tell. But the reality is that we sold our wad for Curry so it would be foolish at this point not to build around him. Esepcially with this year's improvement
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1/18/2007  4:02 PM
You could argue Iverson is just as "needy".

Probly more so.


Bottom line is -- Curry is a good player, brings alot to the table, and will *fingers cross* only get better.

Slowly but shortly.


All around RGM, I hear how post offense is a dying art and Curry's offense is so valuable b/c it opens up the floor.

If we surrounded him with shooters, defenders, and another All-Star we'd be a top team in the East.

The fact that we need these things isn't really Curry's FAULT, so much as it is management's.


Certain players you can plug into any rotation, others you can't.


Like, would you throw Shaq into the Suns rotation?


Fewer teams are playing the halfcourt offense. The NBA's all about running nowadays. Toronto's doing it, so is Jersey.

But the best teams in the East are strictly halfcourt -- Indy, Clev, Miami, Detroit.



Curry def. needs to get better, but once he comes around, just imagine a lineup with a couple shooters (one of them an All-Star), a defender at PF, and a pure PG.

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DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/18/2007  4:04 PM
An example?


Curry
Reggie Evans
Rashard Lewis
Quentin Richardson
Earl Watson/Steve Blake


Not perfect, but you get the idea.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/18/2007  4:11 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:

does a player that needs to be babied and coddled going to help a franchise win big games in the playoffs and lead the team deep?

one way to look at it. Was JO babied and coddled for 4 years in POR and then his first year in IND?

You look at their stats and the are eerily similar year-to-year, except for the defensive side of things. JO was of course much better.

Steps, even baby steps, is all I am looking for.


J.O. was really a bad comparison because his involved total lack of playing time. They didn't coddle him. As soon as he received playing time in INDY he exploded across the board in production and wasn't some 1 dimensional sloth like Curry.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-18-2007 11:06 AM]

one could make the argument that JO was brought along even MORE slowly than Curry was in CHI. Curry was thrown to the fire and given undeserved minutes instead of coaching and learning from the bench, something that JO was exposed to more than Curry.

Another poor argument because this wouldn't fly let's say in football when comparing QB's who sit on the sideline and learn vs those who get thrown into the fire. Bottlomline it gets down to BB IQ, quick thinking, determination, work ethic, desire. Curry lacks a lot of those qualities. You're making excuses and looking for a way out.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-18-2007 3:14 PM]
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1/18/2007  5:30 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

An example?


Curry
Reggie Evans
Rashard Lewis
Quentin Richardson
Earl Watson/Steve Blake


Not perfect, but you get the idea.
Zero shot-blocking/shot altering. That's not how I would build a team.

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1/18/2007  5:35 PM
You could argue Iverson is just as "needy".
How? I've never heard people say Iverson needs specific PFs and Cs to compensate for all his flaws. Maybe he needs ones who are willing to sacrifice some shots, but that's hardly the same as Curry needing a PF who does everything on defense because he does nothing. (I wouldn't build a team around Iverson, anyway, but that's a separate issue.)
Curry is a good player, brings alot to the table
No, he brings ONE thing to the table (excellent low post scoring) at the cost of being poor at everything else.
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1/18/2007  5:44 PM
I was watching Curry in the Wizards game and he's alot more mobile now.

And once he gets in better shape he'll be even more mobile.

His assertion on defense and the boards is all about being in game shape.

He'll never be a great rebounder or defender, but that's besides the point.


And yes, he brings more than just scoring.

He opens up the floor for shooters.

He fouls out opposing big men.

He plays average man defense.

And he's only 24.


No, he's not a franchise player. No he never will be one.

But he can be an All-Star big man in a league with increasingly less of his breed.


At his peak I see a guy that can score 24 points, grab 9 rebounds, block a shot, grab a few assists, all in 36 minutes a game.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/18/2007  5:45 PM
Iverson is VERY needy.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/18/2007  5:49 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Iverson is VERY needy.
Well now you've convinced me!
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1/19/2007  12:17 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by bobs3304:

Iverson is VERY needy.
Well now you've convinced me!

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