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1/16/2007  3:29 PM
One day, we can read about how the now-revered Red Auerback was regarded around the league when he was the coach and general manager.

He was a nasty bitch. Plain and simple. But the Celtics won.

so what does it matter?
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1/16/2007  3:31 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Allanfan - my take is that Isiah has been there as a player and understands how long it takes for a team to learn toughness and trust.

I don't label his explanation as making excuses due to some arbitrary timetable. Could he be trying to protect his young players from the media pressure and the highest scrutiny of any team in the league?

MisterEarl, you don't learn toughness. It's part of your personality. I'll agree with you on the trust part, but I don't think that's the problem. I think everyone will trust everyone on the team and is willing to pick guys up. It's an admirable team characteristic.

MisterEarl, this is just another problem with the excuses thing. When he says we're too youthful, he's missing the fact that guys like Curry, Crawford, Quentin, Malik, Marbury ect.. have been around the league for years plus the sophomores have all played for winning college programs for 3-4 years. Therefore, it's really not a valid excuse.

Another excuse Thomas has used was that the team has been tired and shortmanned. Isn't every team in the league short of players at one point or another and isn't every team tired? Yet they just go out and play, and what do they say when they lose. "We really shouldn't have lost." yada yada. These are pro athletes. They should be prepared to play 48 minutes a night and they should always be prepared to pick up for a lost teammates slack (Or if someone else is playing like crap.)
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1/16/2007  4:02 PM
Curry is straight out of high school

Crawford played three total years of organized ball before turning professional. How crazy is that?

Like Ewing, Marbury has played for too many coaches and struggled to grow into a definde role that maximizes his talent but minimizes the risks.

Frye and Lee just got here

Quentin was dating Brandy. Then his brother is murdered. Breakups, and tragedy, can mess up your mind and your game.

It's not about making excuses. I'm just not so hostile towards young players at this stage of collective development.

In many ways, they are still strangers and figuring it out.



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1/16/2007  4:04 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Curry is straight out of high school

6 years ago hardly qualifies as straight out. He's been playing professional ball for a long time.
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1/16/2007  4:06 PM
Solace - so, are you telling me is that a person should have mastered their given profession by the age of 24?

what about patience?
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1/16/2007  4:08 PM
hold up, Muhammad Ali was world champ at 24

my bad

I take it back

Eddy Curry is a fat lazy slob
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1/16/2007  4:08 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - so, are you telling me is that a person should have mastered their given profession by the age of 24?

what about patience?

Mastered? No. But he is an NBA veteran, not a rookie.
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1/16/2007  4:12 PM
Solace - Eddy is an NBA baby. Or are you simply overlooking how the heart issue may have set back his development?

Does entering the league at 18 necessarily translate into finding one's voice so quickly?

Let nature tale its course.

So far, in just the last two months, Curry's course has been encouraging. Build on it.

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1/16/2007  4:20 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - Eddy is an NBA baby. Or are you simply overlooking how the heart issue may have set back his development?

Does entering the league at 18 necessarily translate into finding one's voice so quickly?

Let nature tale its course.

So far, in just the last two months, Curry's course has been encouraging. Build on it.

Not arguing that he still has room to progress, but let's give some credit here. Curry with 6 years of NBA experience as a starter is considerably more experience than someone coming out of college who is on his second year of NBA experience.

Here's an example, would you say that Eddy is more or less of an NBA baby than Channing Frye? To me, it's easier to argue patience with Frye, since Frye is only on his second year in the NBA. Age is the most overused statistic when evaluating potential.
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1/16/2007  4:27 PM
Now this is getting good

One could submit that Frye gained more grasp of fundamentals, and confidence, in four years at a solid 1A program (Arizona) under Lute Olsen

then graduating to the pros at 21

than

Curry, fresh out of high school, where coaching is uneven at best, directly to a struggling Bulls team with the burden of being labeled the next Shaq

at only 18 years old and barely able to drive a car legally

you do the math





[Edited by - misterearl on 01-16-2007 4:32 PM]
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1/16/2007  4:33 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Now this is getting good

One could submit that Frye gained more grasp of fundamentals, and confidence, in four years at a solid 1A program (Arizona) under Lute Olsen

then graduating to the pros at 21

than

Curry, fresh out of high school, where coaching is uneven at best, directly to a struggling Bulls team with the burden of being labeled the next Shaq

at only 18 years old and barely able to drive a car

you do the math

On the other hand, Eddy has faced a higher level of competition. Six years of a high level of competition should make Eddy a better player. Coming out of high school, the Bulls knew he had to be worked with, so I'm sure he was one of their main focuses, as he has been on the Knicks. For most players, coming from high school to the NBA is a mistake, because they get benched. In Eddy's case, he got the minutes practically from day one, so I think he's had a benefit that most players couldn't get. He's developing now, but I think the time has come to shed the NBA baby label.
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1/16/2007  4:35 PM
You are conveniently leaving out the fact that NBA players have two weeks of training camp and go directly into the pre season schedule

If practice is the proving ground, when would Eddy learn the nuances of the pro game?

Force feeding is not for everyone.

[Edited by - misterearl on 01-16-2007 4:36 PM]
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1/16/2007  4:40 PM
Posted by misterearl:

You are conveniently leaving out the fact that NBA players have two weeks of training camp and go directly into the pre season schedule

If practice is the proving ground, when would Eddy learn the nuances of the pro game?

Force feeding is not for everyone.

[Edited by - misterearl on 01-16-2007 4:36 PM]

you talkin about practice?
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1/16/2007  4:45 PM
I get the feeling Eddy Curry is one of those individuals who did not necessarily start out with the athletic instinct. Remember the kid who people assumed was an athlete due to his sheer size?

Eddy Curry was shy and struggled, right to the early part of this season, to assert himself. That does not make him "soft". Uncomfortable in his own skin may be more like it.

It could mean this basketball thing may be more out of economic necessity than an intrinsic passion for the game. Not all big guys are automatic athletes.

I would not be surprised if Eddy Curry walked away after a few more years to pursue an artistic career as a painter or dancer. Anything that makes him smile.

We should be thankful the young man is here for a moment.
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1/16/2007  4:46 PM
Masterplan - you the man

and yes, "I'm talkin' bout practice.... not the game... not the game...

...practice"

how silly is that?
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1/16/2007  4:48 PM
I'm sure a college player would have many more resources available to them than a professional player whose team invested a lottery pick and millions of dollars in.
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1/16/2007  4:55 PM
College - Cute women your age

Pros - skeezers waiting in the hotel lobby

College - world class professors at your disposal

Pros - a dude trying to sell you crack

College - dorm life

Pros - spectravision

College - cafeteria food with your friends

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College - booster bucks

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College - world class facilities year-round

Pros - gym locked until training camp due to CBA

you do the math Islesfan

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1/16/2007  5:12 PM
Then you see Andrew Bynum, a guy who plays at the same position and is going to be better than both Curry and Frye.

that's a bold prediction to make after watching Curry have some of the monster games he's had over his career & the much improved play he's shown this year.
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1/16/2007  5:18 PM
TMS, much improved scoring, somewhat improved passing, more of the same on defense and even rebounding.

Andrew Bynum is not quite as consistent on the scoring end, but he's only 19 and he's already shown he can score plus he's already established himself as a shotblocker. His passing is better than Currys too at this point. I just see a much higher ceiling with Bynum as he's slowly improving on every aspect of his game, while it took Curry this long to get this far, with just scoring.

Again, not knocking Curry, but until he improves his defense a lot, he's just a one way player and is expendable.
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College - Cute women your age

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College - world class professors at your disposal

Pros - World class EVERYTHING at your disposal

College - dorm life

Pros - VIP life at every club in america

College - cafeteria food with your friends

Pros - World class cuisine with your friends

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Pros - world class facilities year-round at your estate

you do the math misterearl

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