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1/12/2007  8:39 PM
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Amazing...

So if anything goes wrong it's Isiah's fault only and when things are going right it was only because LB was leading the way? If I remeber right the list included MArbury AND Francis, and basically about over half the other team. So Marbury and Nate are staying but we got rid of Rose and Taylor and somehow you force this into being following LB's plan to a T? I think with this standard if you chucked any three players at randomn we would be stealing LBs strategy.

LB was fired for two reasons:
He did a terrible job:leading(and a coach is supposed to be a leader and motivator) the team to 23 wins and creating an unprecedented amount of disharmony

He directly disobeyed the orders of his two bosses. Whether you like them or not they were his superioirs in this case. You can't flip your boss off and expect to keep your job. I don't see how just because his name is Larry Brown it is unjustified to fore him because he does it.

The "List" was never made public. Noone will ever know who was on it. And it appears Isiah sold the only guy who's opinion mattered that it was Larrys' fault. Sold it so well that the owner made him coach the team he out together because 4 other coaches couldn't.

Read the posts. The ONLY person that people are trying to fully absolve from any responsibility is Isiah. "Because Larry wanted them". How is that whenever something goes wrong it's always the other guy's fault? Is it so hard to just give the blame to both guys where it rightfully belongs?

Is it so hard to believe that Larry wanted Isiah's job? Remember that weird press conference where BOTH Isiah and Larry showed up to welcome Steve and Steve looked like he wanted to be anywhere else but here? I have a weird feeling that Brown asked for Francis to get Isiah fired and Isiah accpeted Brown's demand to get Brown fired. Brown wanted Isiah's job from day one. I think the second Isiah realized this he wanted Larry gone, too, and rightly so.

All I'll say is that the job Brown interviewed for in Cleveland before he got here was for a GM position - you know, the one he went behind Joe Dumar's and Bill Davidson's back to interview for? And the job Larry GOT in Philly is in the front office. Is it so hard to believe he wanted the NY front office job? Because unless he's the worst basketball coach in the history of the game, that is the only logical way to explain his behavior here last year.

I don't get why it is so hard to just blame both guys. Both had a hand in it. Larry wanted Isiah's job? According to you Isiah let Larry DO his job, blaming just LB for Francis and Rose. Oh wait, but if Isiah thought those moves were so bad I guess there is now way he could have said no...oh...wait...he said no to Ratliff and Snow....So what Isiah was the GM-except for the two days that we happened to acquire Rose and Francis?
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1/12/2007  8:42 PM
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Amazing...

So if anything goes wrong it's Isiah's fault only and when things are going right it was only because LB was leading the way? If I remeber right the list included MArbury AND Francis, and basically about over half the other team. So Marbury and Nate are staying but we got rid of Rose and Taylor and somehow you force this into being following LB's plan to a T? I think with this standard if you chucked any three players at randomn we would be stealing LBs strategy.

LB was fired for two reasons:
He did a terrible job:leading(and a coach is supposed to be a leader and motivator) the team to 23 wins and creating an unprecedented amount of disharmony

He directly disobeyed the orders of his two bosses. Whether you like them or not they were his superioirs in this case. You can't flip your boss off and expect to keep your job. I don't see how just because his name is Larry Brown it is unjustified to fore him because he does it.

The "List" was never made public. Noone will ever know who was on it. And it appears Isiah sold the only guy who's opinion mattered that it was Larrys' fault. Sold it so well that the owner made him coach the team he out together because 4 other coaches couldn't.

Read the posts. The ONLY person that people are trying to fully absolve from any responsibility is Isiah. "Because Larry wanted them". How is that whenever something goes wrong it's always the other guy's fault? Is it so hard to just give the blame to both guys where it rightfully belongs?

Is it so hard to believe that Larry wanted Isiah's job? Remember that weird press conference where BOTH Isiah and Larry showed up to welcome Steve and Steve looked like he wanted to be anywhere else but here? I have a weird feeling that Brown asked for Francis to get Isiah fired and Isiah accpeted Brown's demand to get Brown fired. Brown wanted Isiah's job from day one. I think the second Isiah realized this he wanted Larry gone, too, and rightly so.

All I'll say is that the job Brown interviewed for in Cleveland before he got here was for a GM position - you know, the one he went behind Joe Dumar's and Bill Davidson's back to interview for? And the job Larry GOT in Philly is in the front office. Is it so hard to believe he wanted the NY front office job? Because unless he's the worst basketball coach in the history of the game, that is the only logical way to explain his behavior here last year.

I don't get why it is so hard to just blame both guys. Both had a hand in it. Larry wanted Isiah's job? According to you Isiah let Larry DO his job, blaming just LB for Francis and Rose. Oh wait, but if Isiah thought those moves were so bad I guess there is now way he could have said no...oh...wait...he said no to Ratliff and Snow....So what Isiah was the GM-except for the two days that we happened to acquire Rose and Francis?

I think Isiah signed off on the Rose trade because he got a pick and he loves a pick and because he loved Jalen and because Marbury had gone down and we lost something like 11 in a row.

The Francis trade is fishy. Both guys say they wanted it, but I have a feeling they were trying to move pawns in their power struggle.
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1/12/2007  8:47 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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Posted by nykshaknbake:

Amazing...

So if anything goes wrong it's Isiah's fault only and when things are going right it was only because LB was leading the way? If I remeber right the list included MArbury AND Francis, and basically about over half the other team. So Marbury and Nate are staying but we got rid of Rose and Taylor and somehow you force this into being following LB's plan to a T? I think with this standard if you chucked any three players at randomn we would be stealing LBs strategy.

LB was fired for two reasons:
He did a terrible job:leading(and a coach is supposed to be a leader and motivator) the team to 23 wins and creating an unprecedented amount of disharmony

He directly disobeyed the orders of his two bosses. Whether you like them or not they were his superioirs in this case. You can't flip your boss off and expect to keep your job. I don't see how just because his name is Larry Brown it is unjustified to fore him because he does it.

The "List" was never made public. Noone will ever know who was on it. And it appears Isiah sold the only guy who's opinion mattered that it was Larrys' fault. Sold it so well that the owner made him coach the team he out together because 4 other coaches couldn't.

Read the posts. The ONLY person that people are trying to fully absolve from any responsibility is Isiah. "Because Larry wanted them". How is that whenever something goes wrong it's always the other guy's fault? Is it so hard to just give the blame to both guys where it rightfully belongs?

Is it so hard to believe that Larry wanted Isiah's job? Remember that weird press conference where BOTH Isiah and Larry showed up to welcome Steve and Steve looked like he wanted to be anywhere else but here? I have a weird feeling that Brown asked for Francis to get Isiah fired and Isiah accpeted Brown's demand to get Brown fired. Brown wanted Isiah's job from day one. I think the second Isiah realized this he wanted Larry gone, too, and rightly so.

All I'll say is that the job Brown interviewed for in Cleveland before he got here was for a GM position - you know, the one he went behind Joe Dumar's and Bill Davidson's back to interview for? And the job Larry GOT in Philly is in the front office. Is it so hard to believe he wanted the NY front office job? Because unless he's the worst basketball coach in the history of the game, that is the only logical way to explain his behavior here last year.

I don't get why it is so hard to just blame both guys. Both had a hand in it. Larry wanted Isiah's job? According to you Isiah let Larry DO his job, blaming just LB for Francis and Rose. Oh wait, but if Isiah thought those moves were so bad I guess there is now way he could have said no...oh...wait...he said no to Ratliff and Snow....So what Isiah was the GM-except for the two days that we happened to acquire Rose and Francis?

I think Isiah signed off on the Rose trade because he got a pick and he loves a pick and because he loved Jalen and because Marbury had gone down and we lost something like 11 in a row.

The Francis trade is fishy. Both guys say they wanted it, but I have a feeling they were trying to move pawns in their power struggle.

I agree on both points, especially the second. I think LB wanted Francis so Isiah can trade Marbs and I think Isiah wanted to try to give Larry just enough rope to hang himself by being able to totally right off the move as LB's-even though he had to sign off on it. My problem with Isiah and Dolan is that they keep saying they were trying to keep the coach happy. Unfortunately, at the beginning of the season, the shot down Snow and Ratliff, which would have made the coach happy. It just sounds like too much of a catch 22 to me.
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1/12/2007  10:55 PM
Hey Joe,

I don't know if Isiah wanted Rose before LB said he wanted him. But I know this. If LB asked for Francis and Rose and Isiah went and got hem, that means he was trying his best to get LB what he wanted. No he didn't get Snow or Ratliff, but is it really possible to make EVERY move a coach wants?

So if you want to blame Isiah for those dumb trades because the buck stops with IT, fine, but then you have to cede that he was doing what he could do to support his coach.
Oohah, I've heard enough trade rumours to know what a rumour is. TNT is an NBA partner, an unbiased 3rd party, and a major network. The article I printed is the only proof I can find other than myself actually remembering watching the report. TNT spent some major time on this report and were talking as if the trade could have been a reality. But that being said, I am not arguing if the trade did or did not happen. This is substantiated proof that Isiah did target Rose at one point before Larry Brown got here. Once again-at the very least a team decision between LB and Isiah.

All I am using this for is as a reference point that yes, Isiah did talk about Rose at one point. He did have at least one conversation about Rose. Knowing this information, is it fair to continue to blame just Larry?


TNT is an NBA partner and they are also wrong a lot. but I'll grant that Isiah MAY have had talks about Rose before. So what? Maybe Rose was just something Isiah had to take back to get a certain player or pick. A salary dump. Or maybe Isiah wanted ROse real bad a season before LB got here. But I don't think so. I think LB wanted ROse, Isiah got Rose for him, and when LB left he had no more use for Rose. It just seems to make sense to me.

We'll know for sure when LB signs Rose and Francis in Philly.

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I agree on both points, especially the second. I think LB wanted Francis so Isiah can trade Marbs and I think Isiah wanted to try to give Larry just enough rope to hang himself by being able to totally right off the move as LB's-even though he had to sign off on it. My problem with Isiah and Dolan is that they keep saying they were trying to keep the coach happy. Unfortunately, at the beginning of the season, the shot down Snow and Ratliff, which would have made the coach happy. It just sounds like too much of a catch 22 to me.

Either that or they did not like they did not like what they would have to do to get those players in place and did not think it was worth the risk unlike Ariza for Francis. Snow and Ratliff are marginal players. A whole Francis is a star.

Just think, if Isiah went and got Snow and Ratliff to make LB happy, everybody around here would be killing him for it, just like the Francis trade.

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1/13/2007  12:08 AM
Posted by oohah:
I agree on both points, especially the second. I think LB wanted Francis so Isiah can trade Marbs and I think Isiah wanted to try to give Larry just enough rope to hang himself by being able to totally right off the move as LB's-even though he had to sign off on it. My problem with Isiah and Dolan is that they keep saying they were trying to keep the coach happy. Unfortunately, at the beginning of the season, the shot down Snow and Ratliff, which would have made the coach happy. It just sounds like too much of a catch 22 to me.

Either that or they did not like they did not like what they would have to do to get those players in place and did not think it was worth the risk unlike Ariza for Francis. Snow and Ratliff are marginal players. A whole Francis is a star.

Just think, if Isiah went and got Snow and Ratliff to make LB happy, everybody around here would be killing him for it, just like the Francis trade.

oohah

Depends. What do you really think it would take to get a Snow or Ratliff? A second rounder and a shorter contract? I wouldn't have given up Reezy in a deal for those guys, but a future second rounder, or Jackie Butler... hey if it makes the coach happy, why not.
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1/13/2007  12:18 AM
Depends. What do you really think it would take to get a Snow or Ratliff? A second rounder and a shorter contract? I wouldn't have given up Reezy in a deal for those guys, but a future second rounder, or Jackie Butler...

Who Knows? I think it is the wrong direction no matter what.
hey if it makes the coach happy, why not.

Steve Francis.

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1/13/2007  12:26 AM
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Depends. What do you really think it would take to get a Snow or Ratliff? A second rounder and a shorter contract? I wouldn't have given up Reezy in a deal for those guys, but a future second rounder, or Jackie Butler...

Who Knows? I think it is the wrong direction no matter what.
hey if it makes the coach happy, why not.

Steve Francis.

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Different case. I said if you're going to give up minimal resources to get a player like Snow, sure. Francis was dumb because there was no room for him in our system, he cost us $50 MM extra and we gave up Reezy. If Larry wanted him, okay, not good... but Isiah should've known better too.
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Different case. I said if you're going to give up minimal resources to get a player like Snow, sure. Francis was dumb because there was no room for him in our system, he cost us $50 MM extra and we gave up Reezy. If Larry wanted him, okay, not good... but Isiah should've known better too.

Who knows what it would take to land Snow? We can theorize about giving up junk to get him, but Snow was the only PG on the Cavs last year. They probably would have wanted decent compensation. There is no guarantee that the trade would be favorable to the Knicks. Ratliff never plays so anything you give up for him is too much.

I wonder if anyone knew that Francis was hurting or did it come out of nowhere. That is what makes the Francis trade super-bad. He can't even play.

I agree IT should have done better. But he tried to get the coach what he asked for, that's my point.

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1/13/2007  5:44 AM
Posted by oohah:
I agree on both points, especially the second. I think LB wanted Francis so Isiah can trade Marbs and I think Isiah wanted to try to give Larry just enough rope to hang himself by being able to totally right off the move as LB's-even though he had to sign off on it. My problem with Isiah and Dolan is that they keep saying they were trying to keep the coach happy. Unfortunately, at the beginning of the season, the shot down Snow and Ratliff, which would have made the coach happy. It just sounds like too much of a catch 22 to me.

Either that or they did not like they did not like what they would have to do to get those players in place and did not think it was worth the risk unlike Ariza for Francis. Snow and Ratliff are marginal players. A whole Francis is a star.

Just think, if Isiah went and got Snow and Ratliff to make LB happy, everybody around here would be killing him for it, just like the Francis trade.

oohah

Here's the funny thing I have noticed about Brown. He doesn't like trading FOR mega-stars, or even just upper level all-stars. He prefers to trade them away. He lives within a team concept. So when I see Larry wanting to trade for a guy like Francis, there is more to it than what is at face value, IMO.

I agree with everything Solace said about acquiring Ratliff and Snow. Not only woud Snow have come cheaper(IMO) he is more of a compliment to Marbury-not a redundancy like Francis. Ratliff is also another complimentary piece that would have worked-BUT Isiah basically signed a Ratliff this year in Cato-Granted Raliff was a better player in his prime but as of now they are basically the same player.

Snow is makes $6 mil this season-elevating to 7 mil in the last year of his contract in 2008-2009.
Ratliff runs to next season making roughly a little less than $12 mil. Short term investment with a bigger expiring contract.

Francis is making roughly $17 mil to 08-09.
Who knows what it would take to land Snow? We can theorize about giving up junk to get him, but Snow was the only PG on the Cavs last year. They probably would have wanted decent compensation. There is no guarantee that the trade would be favorable to the Knicks. Ratliff never plays so anything you give up for him is too much.

I wonder if anyone knew that Francis was hurting or did it come out of nowhere. That is what makes the Francis trade super-bad. He can't even play.

I agree IT should have done better. But he tried to get the coach what he asked for, that's my point.

oohah, all we are doing is theorizing. We are theorizing the basis that Larry wanted them to nail Isiah. The facts are that Rose and Francis are not the only guys Larry wanted. But Isiah did choose to get those particular guys for him. Team effort. Dual decision.

Ratliff played 55 games last year at around 23 minutes per and averaged about 5 and 5 wth 1.5 blocks per game.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3020. He may have played a role but not a large one, and I don't think Larry was under the illusion that this was going to be the Ratliff he had in Philly.

As for Francis, whether the injury came out of nowhere or not, I would be more concerned with his attitude he definately displayed in Orlando. They were in the EXACT same situation as us. In transition, weren't winning alot. Dwight wasn't a real "star" yet. Going with youth. Francis was pouting and crying and pulling all that crap. So what happens? The Knicks(Larry and Isiah) go out and bring him here and are surprised when he is a zombie.

Like I said before, Larry probably wanted Francis here to get rid of Marbury. You can almost see that plain as day. Whether it was to show Zeke up or just convince Zeke that Zeke acquired the wrong kind of players is up for debate. Zeke got Francis to give Larry jus enough rope to hang himself or to make the coach happy and try to salvage the season.

Either way it comes back to both having a hand in the decision, IMO, so neither part should get off scott-free.


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1/14/2007  2:17 AM
Isiah is telling the players to play defense, hes copying off of Larry Brown.

Isiah called a timeout hes doing everything Larry Brown did.
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Joe,

We're talking about turning over 4 roster spots during the season and not adding star (With the exception of Francis, a fallen star.), but average players. I'm glad he did not pick up Snow or Ratliff. Not much return on those investments.

I never gave Isiah a pass on any decision that he signed off on. All I am saying is he tried to get LB what he asked for. Does that mean he would get LB every little thing he asked for? No. But he supported LB in public, what went on behind closed doors is just speculation.

I also don't think he got Rose and Francis to let LB hang himself. Nobody is that smart to know that those 2 players would be LB's undoing, and I don't think those 2 players were LB's undoing.

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[Edited by - oohah on 14-01-2007 06:09 AM]
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I never gave Isiah a pass on any decision that he signed off on. All I am saying is he tried to get LB what he asked for.
Agreed! And it turned out to be an ambush. Joe will never say Ariza (delusional) Rose and Francis happened the way they did cause Brown pushed for them. Both are to blame for it joe but you have to remember that LB pushed for them and Isiah did it to keep his hall of fame coach happy. It was a bad move from day 1 and everyone knew it. So now he is cleaning house and we hear that the reason for the improvement is following LBs plan? Please!

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We're talking about turning over 4 roster spots during the season and not adding star (With the exception of Francis, a fallen star.), but average players. I'm glad he did not pick up Snow or Ratliff. Not much return on those investments.

Would you rather have Ariza, and maybe gotten rid of Malik for Snow(Snow's contract is a year longer-and this is just a hypothetical question) and maybe jettisoned a 2nd round pick or even possibly gotten rid of Jerome James(last season he could have played more than Ratliff at center for the C's and also another hypothetical scenario- and had 2 smaller easier to move contracts with guys that actually compliment the players we have, or gotten Steve Francis the way we got him? Keep in mind, you sign Theo, maybe there is no need to sign Cato and Curry's defense and shotblocking may be advanced one more year than it is today. Maybe a guy like Nate(or Jamal) see what it is like to iniate an offense and take some valuable info from Snow instead of learning to play PG one way.

And on top of that we would STILL have had Penny's expiring contract.

There are other factors in this scenario. You said that there wasn't much return on Snow and Ratliff investments. Well what is the return on Francis?
I never gave Isiah a pass on any decision that he signed off on. All I am saying is he tried to get LB what he asked for. Does that mean he would get LB every little thing he asked for? No. But he supported LB in public, what went on behind closed doors is just speculation.

I hardly think Isiah supported LB in public on everything he did:

On getting Francis- "It's so crazy it just might work."
Isiah distanced himself from the Woods signing also.

I understand what you are saying but, from past posts, you seem to be laying all the blame on Brown. All I am saying is that the whole well, Francis and Jalen were Larry's fault rhetoric(and I am not just talking about you, alot of other guys say it too, is ignoring the fact that Isiah made these deals. I offered proof-as good of proof as I can ever expect to offer on anything from an unbiased 3rd party with time, date, even the game it was reported on that Isiah chased Jalen before Larry got here.

For all we know, Isiah told Larry if he made it work wih Stevie, he would have traded Marbury. All we are all doing is speculating on whose fault it was. If we were truly to stop speculating on it we would all just say the "Knicks made a mistake getting these guys" and leave it at that.
I also don't think he got Rose and Francis to let LB hang himself. Nobody is that smart to know that those 2 players would be LB's undoing, and I don't think those 2 players were LB's undoing.

But Larry knew getting these players-if they worked-would cause Isiah his job? Or if he didn't play them when he endorsed them in public would somehow make him win a "power struggle"?

Why can't we just call it what it was. A bad move the Knicks made. Both the GM and the Coach had a hand in bringing these players here, and it was just two horrible transactions?
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1/14/2007  9:51 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by oohah:

I never gave Isiah a pass on any decision that he signed off on. All I am saying is he tried to get LB what he asked for.
Agreed! And it turned out to be an ambush. Joe will never say Ariza (delusional) Rose and Francis happened the way they did cause Brown pushed for them. Both are to blame for it joe but you have to remember that LB pushed for them and Isiah did it to keep his hall of fame coach happy. It was a bad move from day 1 and everyone knew it. So now he is cleaning house and we hear that the reason for the improvement is following LBs plan? Please!

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 01-14-2007 08:34 AM]

Silver how is it Isiah any bad word against Isiah is like freakin' blasphemy here? I am saying BOTH are at fault. I don't feel like saying it another 1000 times so I'm not going to say it anymore. I am NOT placing ANY more blame on one or the other because the evidence can point to BOTH of them wanting each transaction.

LB may have pushed on one deal or both, or Isiah may have told him this isn't working we gotta try something different and I'll thin it out later. But the it blew up in his face and he just couldn't. Once again there is enough to point and actually say either guy is responsible and you can make a very good case for it.

And as for the "plan" that Isiah is now following....BTW what are we on now, Isiah Plan Q?....The list was speculated what Larry wanted. Doaln himself said They couldn't do what Larry wanted because it mean buying out whatever million in contracts...Now we are talking about Isiah already buying out Mo(10 mil), Jalen(17 mil), now Francis(a combined 48 mil left on his deal)...We are talking $75 million in combined contracts.

That is not even counting the drafts and signings I am not going to get into(remember we were talking about Jared Jeffereies getting traded here last year?)....

Jeffries And Atkins To New York?
14th December, 2005 - 11:53 am
Washington Post -
According to a source close to Chucky Atkins as well as a team source, the Wizards have discussed a trade that would send Atkins and fourth-year forward Jared Jeffries to the New York Knicks in exchange for swingman Quentin Richardson.

Atkins played under Knicks Coach Larry Brown in Detroit and, according to several reports, the Knicks are in the market for a defensive-minded small forward.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/38310/20051214/jeffries_and_atkins_to_new_york/

...just so Isiah can sit our defensive players when the Charlotte Bobcats are scoring 76 points in a half?!?
Joe will never say Ariza (delusional) Rose and Francis happened the way they did cause Brown pushed for them.

Silver, everything I say is following the logic and facts put in front of me, so if you are going to tell people what I am going to say, at least think how I am thinking before posting it.
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Posted by Silverfuel:

Agreed! And it turned out to be an ambush. Joe will never say Ariza (delusional) Rose and Francis happened the way they did cause Brown pushed for them. Both are to blame for it joe but you have to remember that LB pushed for them and Isiah did it to keep his hall of fame coach happy. It was a bad move from day 1 and everyone knew it. So now he is cleaning house and we hear that the reason for the improvement is following LBs plan? Please!

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 01-14-2007 08:34 AM]
Everyone read this again. This is what all the Larry Lovers wanted isiah to do, and when he does it the bash him for it. hen when he undoes it, they say hes following Larry's plan.
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now that we have all this speculation, larry may have been trying something zeke was planning to do anyway.

i thought zeke hired the best coach money can buy to do one thing....... and as a result knick fans were left with egg on their face

after completing his dream job, and recieving high marks, larry should have no trouble coaching again in the nba. just listening the other day on the radio, with all the talk about nick saban's credibility, it was mentioned nick could've been taken from the lb school of coaching.

larry is currently in a non-coaching position to make all the deals he missed in new york

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jaydh
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1/14/2007  12:41 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by babyKnicks:

is that when the trade happened? or was that just a rumor?

This was a trade reported on the air on TNT when Lenny was the coach. I remember they said it was just about done. This was NOT a rumour. TNT reported it as a trade that was immenint at the time.

But it never happened until LB was here... and it is a rumor until it happens.

"Brown upset the Knicks during the season when he feuded with point guard Stephon Marbury, was highly critical of a variety of players and used a league-record 42 different starting lineups in an effort to find a combination he liked. Dolan was particularly upset that Brown approved trades for high-priced Jalen Rose and Steve Francis and then quickly soured on both.

According to a person familiar with details of the firing, Brown “begged for [Rose and Francis]. Two weeks later, he said, ‘You’ve got to get rid of them.’"

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1/14/2007  12:43 PM
So out of all the players available in the NBA, Larry set his sights on Rose and Francis and forced Isiah to bring both here.

Because those are really the only true Larry Brown type players. They were the ones that Larry wanted the most.

Right.
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1/14/2007  12:47 PM
Posted by islesfan:

So out of all the players available in the NBA, Larry set his sights on Rose and Francis and forced Isiah to bring both here.

I believe he wanted others, but he settled for Rose and Francis. And yes, he was a driving force in bringing them here.

Isiah doing everything Larry wanted

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