Solace this is a good thread BTW. You bring up points I tried to make a few weeks ago about Curry. One of them being he had a 33game streak of more turnovers than assist. Curry deserves credit though the team is 11-8 if he scores 20 or more points. He just doesn't provide too much of anything else.

Posted by bigbeast:

Solace- you make a lot of good points, but do you really want to trade ro Allen. I think Ray Allens game is taylor made to thirve next to a penetrating and kick like point in Marbs and a beast in the paint that is gonna draw doubles in Curry. The problem is, Allen is gonna be 32 in the summer. Including Frye and Nate in a trade for Allen, confuses the new Knicks slogan of building with youth. Especially if your talking about adding Webber as well. I would perfer to get a young Ray Allen type which is easier said then done.

Thanks, big. I appreciate your comments. I think Marbury and Allen could thrive together, but I also just think Marbs needs to go. So far he's hurt the team significantly this year, although he's playing better of late. I also think Marbury has *some* trade value, while Francis has none, and I'm okay with keeping Francis if Marbury goes. That was my logic behind it, plus looking at Francis's +1.5 roland rating gives an interesting perspective on it. I think Francis next to Allen could have equal success as Marbury next to Allen. As for the youth movement, I'm not high on Frye or Nate. I don't see them as major pieces of any future title runs, so I'm not opposed to trading them for some success for the next few years. Having Webber as the starting PF for 2-3 years means Lee can just play with no pressure to become a star. Lee will be handed the keys to the kingdom when Webber's contract is done. In addition, keeping Lee's minutes down a little will be the difference between Lee resigning for $50 MM over 6 years and Lee resigning for $90 MM over 6 years when his contract is up.

And yes, a younger Ray Allen would be great. That piece is rare in the NBA and very hard to acquire. If that piece did exist, it would cost us Lee to get. That's one piece I don't want to trade.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Solace this is a good thread BTW. You bring up points I tried to make a few weeks ago about Curry. One of them being he had a 33game streak of more turnovers than assist. Curry deserves credit though the team is 11-8 if he scores 20 or more points. He just doesn't provide too much of anything else.

Thanks True. I definitely think Curry has some major deficiencies, but if you look at it, his offense is also so good that it cancels out some negatives. The comments about Raef or Sheed were not to say that they had even similar styles, but that players have come about with enormous potential have in many cases not fulfilled in, and Raef's case, significantly regressed. Peaking at 26 or 27 is the norm, not the exception. The interesting thing, which was actually not what I intended when I started posted, is that it showed a glaring deficiency in Channing Frye. I actually think when you look at Frye and see that playing next to him is when Curry underperforms. Curry isn't perfect, but I'm starting to think I could live with his flaws, *IF* we put the right players around him. A shooter like Allen is one of those pieces, because it leaves Curry open more since you can't double off of Allen unless you want to lose by 20.